Bobref Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 This week the Irish take on the Midshipmen. The series goes back a long way — they’ve played every year since 1927 except for the 2019 COVID season — and is very lopsided in terms of the W-L records. Every year at this time you hear people criticize ND for playing Navy, lamenting the fact that a win over Navy does nothing to enhance national rankings, playoff chances, etc. Those aware of the history, however, know that this game is about something far more important. It’s all about honor, commitment, and a debt that can never be fully repaid. When WW II rolled around, the University enrollment suffered so greatly that they were close to closing the doors. In 1942 the Navy established a large V-7 training program at Notre Dame. Over the next few years, the Navy paid ND the equivalent of almost $8 million in today’s dollars, plus a daily stipend for each of the thousands of midshipmen who went through training there. This kept the University afloat until the war ended. The special relationship between Notre Dame and the Navy continues to this day, with Our Lady’s University producing more commissioned Naval officers than any other institution, aside from the Naval Academy. The debt of honor we owe the Navy can never be fully repaid. We repay an installment every year by affording Navy the national spotlight that comes with playing Notre Dame. For that reason, Notre Dame will play Navy in football as long as Navy wants to play. If you’ve never been to this game, you really should treat yourself. I have been to half a dozen over the years, and it’s still my favorite Notre Dame experience. It is most definitely not like other college football games. If you’re interested in reading about the long relationship between Notre Dame and the Navy, here’s a pretty good article. https://www.si.com/college/notredame/football/notre-dame-football-navy-rivalry-a-bond-forged-in-blood-2022. Next year, Notre Dame and Navy open the college football season … in Dublin, Ireland. How cool will that be? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impartial_Observer Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 It’s a great story, glad you posted Bob. I ran across this many moons ago and had often wondered over the years why ND continued playing the Naval Academy. Hats off to ND officials for doing the right thing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muda69 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 What is the Naval Academy paid when the game is played at Notre Dame Stadium? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobref Posted November 9, 2022 Author Share Posted November 9, 2022 14 minutes ago, Muda69 said: What is the Naval Academy paid when the game is played at Notre Dame Stadium? Ever the cynic. I did only cursory research, and found no reference to any such payment. I would be more than a little surprised to find one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHJIrish Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 4 hours ago, Bobref said: This week the Irish take on the Midshipmen. The series goes back a long way — they’ve played every year since 1927 except for the 2019 COVID season — and is very lopsided in terms of the W-L records. Every year at this time you hear people criticize ND for playing Navy, lamenting the fact that a win over Navy does nothing to enhance national rankings, playoff chances, etc. Those aware of the history, however, know that this game is about something far more important. It’s all about honor, commitment, and a debt that can never be fully repaid. When WW II rolled around, the University enrollment suffered so greatly that they were close to closing the doors. In 1942 the Navy established a large V-7 training program at Notre Dame. Over the next few years, the Navy paid ND the equivalent of almost $8 million in today’s dollars, plus a daily stipend for each of the thousands of midshipmen who went through training there. This kept the University afloat until the war ended. The special relationship between Notre Dame and the Navy continues to this day, with Our Lady’s University producing more commissioned Naval officers than any other institution, aside from the Naval Academy. The debt of honor we owe the Navy can never be fully repaid. We repay an installment every year by affording Navy the national spotlight that comes with playing Notre Dame. For that reason, Notre Dame will play Navy in football as long as Navy wants to play. If you’ve never been to this game, you really should treat yourself. I have been to half a dozen over the years, and it’s still my favorite Notre Dame experience. It is most definitely not like other college football games. If you’re interested in reading about the long relationship between Notre Dame and the Navy, here’s a pretty good article. https://www.si.com/college/notredame/football/notre-dame-football-navy-rivalry-a-bond-forged-in-blood-2022. Next year, Notre Dame and Navy open the college football season … in Dublin, Ireland. How cool will that be? Like! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muda69 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 16 minutes ago, Bobref said: Ever the cynic. I did only cursory research, and found no reference to any such payment. I would be more than a little surprised to find one. No, just a realist. Schools like Indiana State play the likes of Tennessee and Purdue for the big paycheck. Just wondering if such a deal exists between ND and the Naval Academy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobref Posted November 9, 2022 Author Share Posted November 9, 2022 7 minutes ago, Muda69 said: No, just a realist. Schools like Indiana State play the likes of Tennessee and Purdue for the big paycheck. Just wondering if such a deal exists between ND and the Naval Academy. I don’t believe so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impartial_Observer Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 Do the visitors get a cut of the TV money from NBC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobref Posted November 9, 2022 Author Share Posted November 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Impartial_Observer said: Do the visitors get a cut of the TV money from NBC? Very doubtful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Riprock Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 (edited) On 11/9/2022 at 1:34 PM, Muda69 said: No, just a realist. Schools like Indiana State play the likes of Tennessee and Purdue for the big paycheck. Just wondering if such a deal exists between ND and the Naval Academy. Navy is a FBS school, playing in the AAC. They are not a FCS school like ISU or a FBS MAC type school. ND also plays at Navy, in which the game is usually hosted in Baltimore to accommodate a larger crowd. I believe that is the case this year. Next year, the 2 teams meet in Dublin, Ireland and I believe that has happened before. There will be no payout to Navy. Edited November 10, 2022 by Bash Riprock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTF Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 (edited) Good post. Edited November 11, 2022 by BTF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHJIrish Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 Irish up 35-13 at half against Navy. Not unexpected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHJIrish Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 Irish sleep through the 2nd half and win 35-32. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiting89 Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 Here is a local article that appeared on meta feed apparently Nevada mountain west pays big 12 to come here I’d imagine nd pays navy something https://nevadasportsnet.com/news/reporters/nevada-football-schedules-home-and-home-series-with-troy-potentially-in-place-of-byu-game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHJIrish Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 4 minutes ago, Whiting89 said: Here is a local article that appeared on meta feed apparently Nevada mountain west pays big 12 to come here I’d imagine nd pays navy something https://nevadasportsnet.com/news/reporters/nevada-football-schedules-home-and-home-series-with-troy-potentially-in-place-of-byu-game They paid the Middies with the whole second half today! Watching Navy football is tedious! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobref Posted November 12, 2022 Author Share Posted November 12, 2022 27 minutes ago, Whiting89 said: I’d imagine nd pays navy something Nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Riprock Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 On 11/12/2022 at 3:41 PM, PHJIrish said: They paid the Middies with the whole second half today! Watching Navy football is tedious! Watching the academies play football is a trip back in time. True vintage football. The triple option/veer they run in absolutely classic football. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobref Posted August 23, 2023 Author Share Posted August 23, 2023 On 11/9/2022 at 7:41 AM, Bobref said: This week the Irish take on the Midshipmen. The series goes back a long way — they’ve played every year since 1927 except for the 2019 COVID season — and is very lopsided in terms of the W-L records. Every year at this time you hear people criticize ND for playing Navy, lamenting the fact that a win over Navy does nothing to enhance national rankings, playoff chances, etc. Those aware of the history, however, know that this game is about something far more important. It’s all about honor, commitment, and a debt that can never be fully repaid. When WW II rolled around, the University enrollment suffered so greatly that they were close to closing the doors. In 1942 the Navy established a large V-7 training program at Notre Dame. Over the next few years, the Navy paid ND the equivalent of almost $8 million in today’s dollars, plus a daily stipend for each of the thousands of midshipmen who went through training there. This kept the University afloat until the war ended. The special relationship between Notre Dame and the Navy continues to this day, with Our Lady’s University producing more commissioned Naval officers than any other institution, aside from the Naval Academy. The debt of honor we owe the Navy can never be fully repaid. We repay an installment every year by affording Navy the national spotlight that comes with playing Notre Dame. For that reason, Notre Dame will play Navy in football as long as Navy wants to play. If you’ve never been to this game, you really should treat yourself. I have been to half a dozen over the years, and it’s still my favorite Notre Dame experience. It is most definitely not like other college football games. If you’re interested in reading about the long relationship between Notre Dame and the Navy, here’s a pretty good article. https://www.si.com/college/notredame/football/notre-dame-football-navy-rivalry-a-bond-forged-in-blood-2022. Next year, Notre Dame and Navy open the college football season … in Dublin, Ireland. How cool will that be? This is the post I made last year, explaining the uniqueness of the Notre Dame - Navy rivalry. This Saturday, Notre Dame and Navy open the 2023 season by playing in Dublin, Ireland. That, in itself, is pretty cool. But I wouldn’t want the real significance of this game to be overlooked amidst the amazing setting, the special uniforms, and all the other neat stuff that will surround this Saturday’s game. At a time when college football is consumed by debate over NIL, the transfer portal, and schools playing musical chairs with conferences, this game is a throwback. It’s all about honor, loyalty and commitment. So, when you hear somebody remark that there’s no reason Notre Dame should be taking up a spot on their schedule every year with Navy, you’ll know what to say. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
temptation Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Just cover the 20.5 Irish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobref Posted August 23, 2023 Author Share Posted August 23, 2023 Just now, temptation said: Just cover the 20.5 Irish. Philistine. 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
temptation Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 3 hours ago, Bobref said: Philistine. 😆 Nah, just not buying the "Notre Dame is holier than everyone else" nonsense. You are claiming a lot of moral victories off the field (non-conference affiliation, games that mean more than the final score on the scoreboard, etc) as of late...not so optimistic about the Irish ON the field this fall? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Riprock Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 50 minutes ago, temptation said: Nah, just not buying the "Notre Dame is holier than everyone else" nonsense. You and I have very different reading comprehension skills..... I don't read anything like that...Bob was talking about a series based on history....and he has explained that history before of what makes the ND vs Navy game so special. Very cool they are opening up in Dublin....guessing won't be too many open seats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
temptation Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Bash Riprock said: You and I have very different reading comprehension skills..... I don't read anything like that...Bob was talking about a series based on history....and he has explained that history before of what makes the ND vs Navy game so special. Very cool they are opening up in Dublin....guessing won't be too many open seats. Philistine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobref Posted August 23, 2023 Author Share Posted August 23, 2023 2 hours ago, temptation said: Nah, just not buying the "Notre Dame is holier than everyone else" nonsense. Which, of course, I never said or intimated. At least in this post. 😉 My point was that this specific game was unique in that it’s played for different reasons than most games — including games in which the Irish play — these days. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Riprock Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 17 hours ago, Bobref said: Which, of course, I never said or intimated. At least in this post. 😉 My point was that this specific game was unique in that it’s played for different reasons than most games — including games in which the Irish play — these days. Wasting your breath Bob....99.9% of us knew what you meant. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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