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Indiana Football Today Week #2 Top 25 Countdown

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First off, my shameless plug for the Indiana Football Today, coming in January, 2016. Taking Indiana football to a whole new level with rankings, statistics, stadium photos, articles, live game webcasts, and the game of the week. Not only will we have expert analysis, but also the fan perspective. For me information on IFT, please contact me.

A few things to note: These rankings are the opinions of five guys, two of whom played 5A football (now 6A), one who played 3A, and two who played 2A football. Most of this season is being spent gathering information on all of the teams, to make us better prepared for our 2016 launch. These rankings are not perfect, nor will they ever be, but are solely based on how we feel a team looks to us in the preseason and how we feel they are playing during the season. We've seen many teams ranked high get beaten by unranked teams, both in high school and the collegiate level. That's why these players put on the pads on Friday night.

At this time, we feel that it's necessary to mention that the Sagarin Ratings have no bearing at this time on these rankings, as it does take 2-3 weeks for the computers to lock in teams in a specific area in which they belong. At this time, we can only do so much fact gathering, and honestly, will probably take at least a full year before we can confidently talk about each team in these rankings as if we have followed that particular team week in and week out.

Presenting the IFT Top 25 Countdown - Week #2

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New Prairie High School Cougars; New Carlisle, IN (4A) - LAST WEEK #25

This is still a team that could very well find its way to LOS, but a tough start to the season against 6A newcomer, LaPorte.

Lake Central High School Indians; St. John, IN (6A) - LAST WEEK #23

Knocked off by one of the top teams in 4A in Munster. The Indians are still a good team, but not quite as strong as we thought they may be.

Mater Dei High School Wildcats; Evansville, IN (2A) - LAST WEEK #20

Yes, the Wildcats won, and it's easy to argue why they should remain in the Top 25, but fact of the matter is, 25 teams simply outshined these guys. The Wildcats are this week's top team in Class 2A.

Roncalli High School Rebels; Indianapolis, IN (4A) - LAST WEEK #19

Hard to put the Rebels on the outside, but they weren't exactly impressive against Southport. Roncalli did put together a strong comeback effort, but it fell just short. They'll be in the mix all season long in 4A.

Tri-West High School Bruins; Lizton, IN (3A) - LAST WEEK #9

First, this is still a contender in 3A, but these guys don't match up well with West Lafayette. Not much of 3A does, which is why the Red Devils are a serious threat to the 3A crown. They'll bounce back, just look at last year. We were quite high on this team, maybe a bit too much.

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Andrean High School Fighting 59ers; Merrillville, IN (4A)

Gibson Southern High School Titans; Fort Branch, IN (3A)

Jasper High School Wildcats; Jasper, IN (4A)

Lafayette Central Catholic High School Knights; Lafayette, IN (1A)

Mishawaka High School Cavemen; Mishawaka, IN (5A)

Noblesville High School Millers; Noblesville, IN (6A)

Westfield High School Shamrocks; Westfield, IN (5A)

Whiteland Community High School Warriors; Whiteland, IN (5A)

TOP 25 TEAMS

#25 - LaPorte High School Slicers; LaPorte, IN (6A) - LAST WEEK UNRANKED

The 5A State Runner-Up opened up their 6A campaign by knocking off the 4A Runner-Up in a big way. The Slicers may not be a title contender, but they're certainly going to be in the discussion for making a deep tournament run being in northern Indiana.

#24 Bishop Chatard High School Trojans: Indianapolis, IN (3A) - LAST WEEK UNRANKED

One of the top teams in 3A began their season with a win over Brebeuf Jesuit; however, it wasn't the prettiest of victories, pulling away from a 17-all tie after a game filled with penalties. The Trojans have a nice test with Lawrence Central this week.

#23 Guerin Catholic High School Golden Eagles; Noblesville, IN (3A) - LAST WEEK UNRANKED

Playing up two classes this weekend, the Golden Eagles avenged last year's loss to Martinsville with a 26-9 victory on the Artesians home field. Things don't get any easier this week for one of the top teams in 3A as they play host to Lafayette Central Catholic on Friday.

#22 Bishop Luers High School Knights; Fort Wayne, IN (3A) - LAST WEEK #21

A small drop for Bishop Luers as the Knights defeated one of their Fort Wayne rivals, Bishop Dwenger. While Bishop Luers was victorious this weekend, the Knights had moments of vulnerability against the rebuilding Saints.

#21 West Lafayette High School Red Devils; West Lafayette, IN (3A) - LAST WEEK UNRANKED

An impressive three touchdown victory against the defending 3A champs, on the road. Leading by as much as 27, the Red Devils cruised against the pre-season #9 team, and a team that still is a title contender. The Red Devils have a shot to avenge one of their 3 losses from last season at home against the McCutcheon Mavericks. The Red Devils are this week's top team in Class 3A.

#20 Pioneer High School Panthers; Royal Center, IN (1A) - LAST WEEK UNRANKED

The final team to enter this week's poll after being unranked last week is Pioneer. After a 50-0 beat down of one of the top 20 teams in 2A, Lewis Cass, it was hard to look past the type of noise Pioneer is capable of making. Their lone regular season loss last year was in week #2, to Winamac, one of the top 2A teams, and a team they'll face this weekend. The Panthers are this week's top team in Class 1A.

#19 Hamilton Southeastern High School Royals; Fishers, IN (6A) - LAST WEEK #18

It was a tough start to the season for HSE, being down 28-0 to the 6A Runner-Up Carmel before falling 28-7, but the Royals have some promise, and are a quality team very much capable of making some noise later in the season. HSE should be able to get in the win column this weekend at North Central.

#18 Lawrence Central High School Bears; Indianapolis, IN (6A) - LAST WEEK #17

Admittedly, this is one of those decisions that we may look back on and say, we could've gone lower. LC drops only one spot after a tough loss to Cathedral. The decision to drop them only one spot was difficult, because the Bears were not necessarily impressive last weekend, although Cathedral has a tendency to make teams look worse than they truly are. We should know whether our decision to keep them this high worked out or not after their game with Bishop Chatard this weekend.

#17 Pike High School Red Devils; Indianapolis, IN (6A) - LAST WEEK #24

Pike opened up with an impressive 55-34 victory on the road against Brownsburg. With that strong start, along with some teams above them falling, Pike makes a strong move upward. They'll really make a strong jump if they can win their home opener this weekend against Fishers.

#16 Plymouth High School Rockies; Plymouth, IN (4A) - LAST WEEK #16

Opening weekend victory for Plymouth keeps them at #16. Plymouth, once again, has the strong possibility of running the table in the regular season, and this time around they won't have New Prairie awaiting them in the sectional.

#15 Southport High School Cardinals; Indianapolis, IN (6A) - LAST WEEK #22

A big win over their south side rival to start the season, in a place where the Cards hope to end their season, Lucas Oil Stadium. While the Cards made a big jump because of their impressive victory, it should be noted that Southport will take some hits if they can't close games better than how they closed Friday night. The Cardinals have a tough test this weekend as they open at home against 5A Westfield.

#14 Snider High School Panthers; Fort Wayne, IN (5A) - LAST WEEK #15

Snider trounced the Wayne Generals this weekend, winning 49-0. The Panthers already are living up to the expectation that this could be a special season. They'll face a taller task this weekend as they play host to Bishop Luers.

#13 Carroll High School Chargers; Fort Wayne, IN (6A) - LAST WEEK #14

It was an easy weekend for Carroll, a 48-14 thumping over Northrop. The schedule stays light this weekend as Carroll travels to South Side.

#12 F.J. Reitz High School Panthers; Evansville, IN (4A) - LAST WEEK #11

It's been 6 years since the last title at Reitz, but the Panthers have the tools to contend this year, especially with the movement of New Palestine and Columbus East to 5A. This past weekend the Panthers took down our neighbors to the south, Henderson County (KY) 62-14. The Panthers are this week's top team in Class 4A.

#11 Bloomington South High School Panthers; Bloomington, IN (5A) - LAST WEEK #12

Mo Moriarity's squad opened up with a shutout victory on the road at Bedford North Lawrence, 28-0. It's the home opener this weekend against Martinsville, but the Panthers need to fix some offensive issues starting at the line. The Panthers will be fine by regular seasons end.

#10 Fishers High School Tigers; Fishers, IN (6A) - LAST WEEK #10

It was a season opening victory for the Tigers over North Central, 28-0. Fishers looks to be a big competitor in the northern part of the state, and this weekend we will find out a lot more about Fishers as they travel to meet the Pike Red Devils.

#9 Columbus East High School Olympians; Columbus, IN (5A) - LAST WEEK #13

Shutout victory for Columbus East over a decent Bloomington North team, 27-0. The Olympians have multiple weapons that could very well allow them to run the table, although sectional roadblocks Whiteland and New Pal stand in the way. This weekend, we'll find out a lot about the Olympians as they host their biggest rival, Columbus North. This could also tell us whether or not Columbus North has made it back into the mix of Indiana's best teams.

#8 Cathedral High School Fighting Irish; Indianapolis, IN (6A) - LAST WEEK #8

What an impressive performance by Cathedral against Lawrence Central. Take out some turnovers and chances are, Cathedral not only runs away with this game, but shuts out their counterpart. The Fighting Irish show they are 6A ready, and they don't need to build their way into being a title contender. The Fighting Irish travel to Nippert Stadium at the University of Cincinnati this weekend to face Archbishop Moeller out of Cincinnati, OH. Moeller sits at #28 in the USA Today Massey Ratings while Cathedral sits at #80.

#7 Avon High School Orioles; Avon, IN (6A) - LAST WEEK #7

Strong start to the 2015 campaign for the Orioles with a 41-0 victory over Plainfield. The Orioles have shown early they'll compete for the 6A title. Their biggest test of the regular season comes this weekend when they travel to meet the defending 6A champs, Ben Davis, who also happens to be in the same sectional as Avon.

#6 Penn High School Kingsmen; Mishawaka, IN (6A) - LAST WEEK #6

Penn certainly didn't drop off much, if at all, from last year's semi-state team that fell just shy of the State Finals. After a throttling of Valparaiso 34-0 in Valpo, the Kingsmen head home for their opener against a strong team in Merrillville. You can expect the Kingsmen to compete with Carmel as the top team in the north.

#5 New Palestine High School Dragons; New Palestine, IN (5A) - LAST WEEK #5

The defending 5A State Champions opened up in Lawrenceburg this past weekend, and picked up where they left off in 2014, with a 56-14 victory. The road to an undefeated regular season doesn't get any more difficult this weekend as Richmond comes to town. The Dragons are this week's top team in Class 5A.

#4 Warren Central High School Warriors; Indianapolis, IN (6A) -- LAST WEEK #4

The Beast from the East opened with a tough home loss to MIC for Center Grove, 42-38. On top of the loss, the Warriors also lost a key piece for 4-8 weeks in Tristen Tonte. Although the Warriors lost the opener, the offense did move the ball quite well, showing that if clicking on all cylinders, this team can certainly be scary. The schedule doesn't ease up at all as they'll travel to Nippert Stadium at the University of Cincinnati on Saturday night to meet the #9 team in the land, Colerain from Cincinnati, OH.

#3 Center Grove High School Trojans; Greenwood, IN - LAST WEEK #3

After opening the season 1-3 last year, the Trojans open one of the toughest 4-game stretches to start the season by showing they are a contender for the 6A title after coming back on the road to knock off Warren Central, 42-38. It's a tough home opener this weekend as Whiteland comes to town.

#2 Carmel High School Greyhounds; Carmel, IN (6A) - LAST WEEK #2

Carmel opened their 2015 season with a bang, rolling to a 28-7 victory over Hamilton Southeastern, again flexing their muscle, not only as one of the best in the MIC, but one of the best in Indiana. Carmel opened up a 28-0 lead before the Royals jumped on the board. Carmel travels to meet the LaSalle Lancers of Cincinnati at Nippert Stadium at the University of Cincinnati on Saturday.

#1 Ben Davis High School Giants; Indianapolis, IN (6A) - LAST WEEK #1

Every player that dressed played as the defending 6A State Champions cruised to a 63-0 season opening victory over the Arsenal Technical Titans. Chris Evans rushed 4 times for 112 yards, 3 of those for touchdowns. The Giants head home this weekend as they meet their neighbor to the west, the Avon Orioles.

Best of luck to all of our Indiana teams heading into week 2.

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I admit to being intrigued.

Although I am a Sagarin fan it seemed a little "screwy" through the first 3-5 weeks last year. I'd say it will be more accurate after week 4 (not sure weeks 2-3 will be that telling). Even so, Sagarin has seemed to undervalue SW Indiana a little bit in years past......although I think there are perhaps more "connections" between SW Indiana and central Indiana than in years past (Mater Dei v. Tri-West, Castle v. THN).

Like your recognition of what Guerin did in beating Martinsville. I thought it meant something too. This Friday against LCC will be quite telling (insofar as the early season goes.....lots of football to be played yet).

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ALSO KNOCKING ON THE DOOR (ALPHABETICAL ORDER)

Lafayette Central Catholic High School Knights; Lafayette, IN (1A)

TOP 25 TEAMS

#20 Pioneer High School Panthers; Royal Center, IN (1A) - LAST WEEK UNRANKED

The final team to enter this week's poll after being unranked last week is Pioneer. After a 50-0 beat down of one of the top 20 teams in 2A, Lewis Cass, it was hard to look past the type of noise Pioneer is capable of making. Their lone regular season loss last year was in week #2, to Winamac, one of the top 2A teams, and a team they'll face this weekend. The Panthers are this week's top team in Class 1A.

 

 

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Pioneer ahead of LCC seems to be a marketing ploy  :D

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Pioneer in front of Chatard. Let me know when this poll is serious.

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Yes, it must be a brilliant marketing strategy.....pandering to the masses in NW Cass County.

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Pioneer in front of Chatard. Let me know when this poll is serious.

Well, Guru, trying to give these folks the benefit of the doubt....and, possibly, be overly gracious....lest we all recognize Pioneer could just kick Chatard's rear end. As you know, I have much greater respect for your opinion than I do my own.

Plus, really like the idea of lighting a fire under some Chatard backsides (not that anyone pays attention to loudmouths like me). They have to prove themselves all over again and I think that's a good thing....because they ARE unproven and have a few things to make up for after the last game of last season. Biting my tongue......biting...biting....BITING.

If Chatard doesn't have a perennial "chip on its shoulder" to prove itself then it just ain't Chatard.

All the Chatard champs that I have seen had that "chip" (I admit to having not seen them all...since I am not THAT old). I truly hope and think these kids do.

Regardless, I have absolutely no doubt their coaches do.

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Pioneer in front of Chatard. Let me know when this poll is serious.

We knew we'd get some heat for this one, but the fact of the matter is Pioneer is MUCH better than you think. If they get beat, then that will show us. Also, to that point, last year only showed about a 5 point difference in the sagarin ratings. Other than those facts, returning players, and what happened in game 1, that's really all we have to base how a team ranks. Quite simply, Pioneer looked strong from the video we saw and Chatard had some difficulties. Am I saying Chatard would get beaten by Pioneer if they were to play? No! Am I saying later in the season this ranking won't change? Definitely no!

I've already said the preseason pick is Pioneer to win 1A, and I'll stand behind that pick with everyone else on the team until an LCC or some other team knocks them off.

We have certainly set high expectations for Pioneer. Chatard won't sit that low all season as I'm sure the improvement will be enormous throughout the season.

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We knew we'd get some heat for this one, but the fact of the matter is Pioneer is MUCH better than you think. If they get beat, then that will show us. Also, to that point, last year only showed about a 5 point difference in the sagarin ratings. Other than those facts, returning players, and what happened in game 1, that's really all we have to base how a team ranks. 

I've already said the preseason pick is Pioneer to win 1A, and I'll stand behind that pick with everyone else on the team until an LCC or some other team knocks them off.

 

 

Why didn't that same logic get applied to LCC this year?   They lost only 5 seniors, of those it was a starter Center, MLB, and DL I believe.   This is not a knock on Pioneer, they are outstanding team, coaching staff and program, but LCC returns just as much if not more, including offered D1 player and a host of other outstanding players.   

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Why didn't that same logic get applied to LCC this year? They lost only 5 seniors, of those it was a starter Center, MLB, and DL I believe. This is not a knock on Pioneer, they are outstanding team, coaching staff and program, but LCC returns just as much if not more, including offered D1 player and a host of other outstanding players.

I tend to agree with you, and believe me, LCC is very much right there, and I think most people would probably believe that, as a whole, we are truly crazy for having Pioneer ahead of LCC. The argument could've been made to put the Knights in the top 25, and actually, we were quite close to doing just that, but we came away very impressed with Pioneer. Maybe a touch too much, but only time will tell if we made the right call. The big thing we, as a staff at IFT, need to remember is that no matter how much football we watch, we are still very green when it comes to polls and it will take us some time before we are able to know these teams the way we would prefer to know them. Our goal is, as I said prior, to know each of these teams as if we're their biggest fan.

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I hav no prob w the Pioneer pick.....Its quite possible both

r better than any 2A this yr..... It MAY b problematic for THIS poll....

depending how LCC performs against two of the Top Teams in 3A...

While Pioneer runs the table w their sched......

2 1A Teams in the top 25? ..............

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Pioneer and LCC could very well compete at a high level in 2a north tournament.  No doubt

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Ok I have to get this out there................why not call this "countdown", the best 25 teams in the state that reside North of Hwy 50, or better yet, the top 25 without including the bottom one third of the state.  

 

This "countdown" includes Evansville Reitz as the lone representative of southern Indiana.  Just food for thought, but in the past 10 years or so the south has had five or six state champions and eight or so state runners-up.  With that being said a top 25 that does not include 4a Jasper (#3 AP), 3a Gibson Southern(#3 AP) and probably the best in their class, 2a Mater Dei(#1 AP) who beat Evansville Reitz last season and Heritage Hills 3a (#5 AP) cannot be taken too seriously.  

 

Next time just title this poll as "The 25 Best 6a, 5a and 4a schools in or near Indy that also includes Fort Wayne and the Region!"

Or maybe do a little more research of teams all over the state.

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Reminds me of the movie PATTON......wher his aide has to remind him...."Don't forget the Russians!"

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Ok I have to get this out there................why not call this "countdown", the best 25 teams in the state that reside North of Hwy 50, or better yet, the top 25 without including the bottom one third of the state.

This "countdown" includes Evansville Reitz as the lone representative of southern Indiana. Just food for thought, but in the past 10 years or so the south has had five or six state champions and eight or so state runners-up. With that being said a top 25 that does not include 4a Jasper (#3 AP), 3a Gibson Southern(#3 AP) and probably the best in their class, 2a Mater Dei(#1 AP) who beat Evansville Reitz last season and Heritage Hills 3a (#5 AP) cannot be taken too seriously.

Next time just title this poll as "The 25 Best 6a, 5a and 4a schools in or near Indy that also includes Fort Wayne and the Region!"

Or maybe do a little more research of teams all over the state.

I really just laugh at your comments, because clearly you didn't read the entire post or better yet, any of the posts I've made.

Reitz is #12, Mater Dei was on the poll last week but fell off this week. Gibson Southern and Jasper almost made it in as they are on the list for honorable mention. I'm sorry that you feel that southern Indiana didn't get the respect it deserves, but truth be told, history speaks for itself:

Last state appearance in 1A, 2001 Perry Central, and 1A makes up a large portion of southern IN. There have been 0 1A champs from southern IN.

2A was last year, but besides Mater Dei in 11 and 14, you have to go back to 06 to find Southridge. 2000 was the last time a southern IN team won 2A.

3A, you have to go back 6 years to get to Memorial. 2000 was the last time a southern IN team won 3A.

Go back 6 years in 4A to find the last champion in Reitz. Prior to Reitz, go back to 01 and you'll find Jasper.

5A/6A, go back to 1995!

For 1/3 of the state, the track record certainly hasn't been very strong. One of the guys on our team played at North, he knows all about southern IN and SIAC football.

Even as good as Mater Dei was last year in 2A, they were 42nd in Sagarin. Either those teams will prove themselves or they won't.

...and it's not that we believe southern IN is bad, because I firmly believe Gibson Southern could find their way to LOS this season.

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Correction.......

Lawrenceburg was a 1A Champ.....

They r about as So Ind as u can get....

To quote Bull Durham... " u can look it up! "

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I really just laugh at your comments, because clearly you didn't read the entire post or better yet, any of the posts I've made.

Reitz is #12, Mater Dei was on the poll last week but fell off this week. Gibson Southern and Jasper almost made it in as they are on the list for honorable mention. I'm sorry that you feel that southern Indiana didn't get the respect it deserves, but truth be told, history speaks for itself:

Last state appearance in 1A, 2001 Perry Central, and 1A makes up a large portion of southern IN. There have been 0 1A champs from southern IN.

2A was last year, but besides Mater Dei in 11 and 14, you have to go back to 06 to find Southridge. 2000 was the last time a southern IN team won 2A.

3A, you have to go back 6 years to get to Memorial. 2000 was the last time a southern IN team won 3A.

Go back 6 years in 4A to find the last champion in Reitz. Prior to Reitz, go back to 01 and you'll find Jasper.

5A/6A, go back to 1995!

For 1/3 of the state, the track record certainly hasn't been very strong. One of the guys on our team played at North, he knows all about southern IN and SIAC football.

Even as good as Mater Dei was last year in 2A, they were 42nd in Sagarin. Either those teams will prove themselves or they won't.

...and it's not that we believe southern IN is bad, because I firmly believe Gibson Southern could find their way to LOS this season.

You really laugh huh........good glad I could amuse you.  Yes the south is primarily made up of smaller schools because it is a more rural area then the "Big City"  But if you read closely I think I said "ten years or so......."  and I do not think my numbers were wrong in any way.  I have no doubt 6a schools and maybe some 5a schools will always be more competitive/ better than smaller schools, but to comprise  most of you poll with 6a and 5a schools from the upper region of the state is well....laughable to me.  I have read on several occasions, by many posters on this quorum, how weak 5a football is yop to bottom.  As to your reference of the Sagarin poll........well to many people, including myself, it is not a sound representation of the truth.  Lastly, maybe I should be thanking you for including simply including some schools from the south as your honorable mention teams.  Jeez thanks so much for the bread crumbs.......

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One more thought on the Sagarin rankings and what a joke they are..........Mater Dei HS #1 in class 2a poll according to AP is ranked 118th in the Sagarin presently.  Evansville Reitz HS #1 in the 4a poll according to AP is ranked 108th in the Sagarin presently.  All of the following southern Indiana schools are all ranked ahead of one or both teams listed above.....Southridge 2a, Castle 5a, Evansville Central 4a, Heritage Hills 3a, Gibson Southern 3a and Jasper 4a!!!   See why I put soooooooo much faith in the Sagarin INFBall.............

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In southern Indiana, there have been 16 total state finals appearances in 15 years of a possible 77, accounting for less than 20%. Of those 16, 7 of them were between 00 and 04, meaning you've had 9 appearances in 10 years with only 2 championships.

This doesn't necessarily have anything to do with this year, but southern IN has something to prove to get their way into the top 25.

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It takes a while for Sagarin to have enough data to be meaningful...especially in terms of linkages of teams from different parts of the state to each other.  Hopefully around week 5 Sagain will catch up.

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In southern Indiana, there have been 16 total state finals appearances in 15 years of a possible 77, accounting for less than 20%. Of those 16, 7 of them were between 00 and 04, meaning you've had 9 appearances in 10 years with only 2 championships.

This doesn't necessarily have anything to do with this year, but southern IN has something to prove to get their way into the top 25.

 

Hoosier Conference alone has sent 9 teams (7 titles) in last 10 years to the state finals.  RCHS, WL, LCC, Sheridan, and Tipton.  

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in the last ten years all classes combined how many public school titles versus private school? not trying to flame the old P/P topic...just too lazy to look it up!

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In southern Indiana, there have been 16 total state finals appearances in 15 years of a possible 77, accounting for less than 20%. Of those 16, 7 of them were between 00 and 04, meaning you've had 9 appearances in 10 years with only 2 championships.

This doesn't necessarily have anything to do with this year, but southern IN has something to prove to get their way into the top 25.

Yes this correct. 

 

But from the year 2000-2005 Heritage Hills played Chatard every year in the semi state.  HH won two years and lost four years, all very closely contested games.  In the years that HH lost,  Chatard would eventually win the state championship.  Gibson Southern was defeated by Chatard in the semi state in 2012 and 13.  Chatard went on to win the championship. Those are just two teams from the conference I follow............The meaning behind all of this is: both teams mentioned are small rural area public schools that played very competitively against one of the best teams in the state traditionally, in any class.  Although the record collectively is 2-6, the winner of this match up won the state championship 6 of the 8 years. That's just one class from one southern conference..............moral to the story...........not TOO MUCH TO PROVE to be worthy!!      

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I really just laugh at your comments, because clearly you didn't read the entire post or better yet, any of the posts I've made.

 

 

Without being adversarial, might I offer some advice ...  being objective in your responses to questions, and even criticism, will help you much more here.  You are posting on GID most likely because you are looking for followers, inputs, etc. for your new service.  Many of the folks here on GID, while perhaps seeming like run-of-the-mill fans, can be/are VERY knowledgeable in particular areas and are not just consumers.  Even if they were just consumers, they are less likely to consume a product where the producer seems to have a condescending tone with them; especially in light of some of the items that have already been posted by your team.  As Lysander stated, he's intrigued enough to look ... my guess is that others will also be initially intrigued; however, some of the picks, coupled with some "I have to laugh at ..." responses and the service comes off more as five guys doing their thing and tossing out some general info and less as a source that should be turned to.  I initially thought, like Lysander, when I saw the posts, ... I'll give it a whirl ... but some of the picks tied together with some of the less objective responses to some others that have responded is making that interest wane quickly.  Again, not trying to pick a fight ... just offering some friendly advice as someone who has seen in the years here, there are lots of posters that could almost easily make a job out of their knowledge in this area.

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Without being adversarial, might I offer some advice ...  being objective in your responses to questions, and even criticism, will help you much more here.  You are posting on GID most likely because you are looking for followers, inputs, etc. for your new service.  Many of the folks here on GID, while perhaps seeming like run-of-the-mill fans, can be/are VERY knowledgeable in particular areas and are not just consumers.  Even if they were just consumers, they are less likely to consume a product where the producer seems to have a condescending tone with them; especially in light of some of the items that have already been posted by your team.  As Lysander stated, he's intrigued enough to look ... my guess is that others will also be initially intrigued; however, some of the picks, coupled with some "I have to laugh at ..." responses and the service comes off more as five guys doing their thing and tossing out some general info and less as a source that should be turned to.  I initially thought, like Lysander, when I saw the posts, ... I'll give it a whirl ... but some of the picks tied together with some of the less objective responses to some others that have responded is making that interest wane quickly.  Again, not trying to pick a fight ... just offering some friendly advice as someone who has seen in the years here, there are lots of posters that could almost easily make a job out of their knowledge in this area.

Well said!!!  Some people on the GID have been involved with high school athletics, especially football, for as long as some have been alive I might add.    

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