BLACKGOLD2007 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 18 hours ago, NLCTigerFan07 said: Fumbling definitely caused issues in a few games, yes, but has been cleaned up quite a bit over the last 3 games (Goshen, Northridge, and Carroll). What style is Penn's offense? More pass? More rush? Balanced? I ask because you say "if Penn cannot lift the top off the Warsaw D" are you implying they throw the ball more? Or that, in order for them to run the ball like they want, they'll need to hit a few big passing plays to allow that to happen? The two biggest offensive threats Warsaw faced all year (NorthWood and Carroll) - I cannot say enough positive things about how the defense containted them. The Tigers also held Concord and Northridge to their lowest point totals all season. So, Penn wants to throw the ball, but are best at running the ball north and south. If Warsaw puts 8 or 9 guys in the box and we run zone, we will be in for a world of hurt...4 or 5 yard losses each play. Penn can throw the ball, they have length and speed at the WR position which has not always been the case in the last 5 or so seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACKGOLD2007 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 17 hours ago, US31 said: This isn't a "loop hole", its called a scrimmage kick. But the part in bold above is wrong.... The rules that govern a punt are almost identical to the rules that govern a FG....they are "scrimmage kicks". If a scrimmage kick goes into the EZ in high school football, it is a touchback. If it doesn't...it can be returned, just like a punt. But it's not a touchback becausae its a missed field goal...it HAS to cross the GL, just like a punt. Ironically...(given this thread topic) I beleive the longest play in Goshen High School football history is a 99 yard FG return for TD by future Boiler Todd Stelma.....against who??.... the Warsaw Tigers. Dude it was like 10+ seasons ago, I remember this team lining up from beyond mid field for a field goal. I apologize for not knowing the exact rule. Your input is greatly appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACKGOLD2007 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 15 hours ago, NLCTigerFan07 said: Definitely not flaming you - and I had the same thoughts myself - but I have grown to really enjoy it. It's an offense that truly all 11 players have to do their job in order for it to be effective. And the proof is in the pudding on the success Warsaw has had running it. In the 6 seasons under Coach Curtis, they have gone 48-16, won 2 conference championships (last NLC championship before that was back in 2001), their first ever sectional championship (2019) and playing in their 5th straight sectional championship game this Friday. They have averaged 30 PPG on offense over that time, and had 20 games of 40+ points scored. It might seep boring initially, but I feel like it can grow on any fanbase. Especially when you watch it ran to perfection like it was Friday night against Carroll. It's the great equalizer in my opinion. Yes, if you get down fast and early, it makes it tricky to get back in the ball game, and has happened a handful of times for the Tigers. But the pros outweight the cons from my observation. Do you have issues with Bart's handling of the clock in late or pressure situations? Penn's coaches are so hot and cold when it comes to clock management, sometimes they are on top of it and others they don't seem to have a clue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLCTigerFan07 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 hour ago, BLACKGOLD2007 said: Do you have issues with Bart's handling of the clock in late or pressure situations? I have no issues whatsoever with how the Warsaw coaching staff handles those situations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACKGOLD2007 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 6 minutes ago, NLCTigerFan07 said: I have no issues whatsoever with how the Warsaw coaching staff handles those situations. I only ask, because there have been situations when he was at Miskawaka that when it came to clock management did not make sense. Sounds like he has improved at that over time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonecrusher Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 19 hours ago, NLCTigerFan07 said: Definitely not flaming you - and I had the same thoughts myself - but I have grown to really enjoy it. It's an offense that truly all 11 players have to do their job in order for it to be effective. And the proof is in the pudding on the success Warsaw has had running it. In the 6 seasons under Coach Curtis, they have gone 48-16, won 2 conference championships (last NLC championship before that was back in 2001), their first ever sectional championship (2019) and playing in their 5th straight sectional championship game this Friday. They have averaged 30 PPG on offense over that time, and had 20 games of 40+ points scored. It might seep boring initially, but I feel like it can grow on any fanbase. Especially when you watch it ran to perfection like it was Friday night against Carroll. It's the great equalizer in my opinion. Yes, if you get down fast and early, it makes it tricky to get back in the ball game, and has happened a handful of times for the Tigers. But the pros outweight the cons from my observation. I don't disagree with any of your comments. There's a lot of moving pieces and timing that go into that style of play. If a team does it well and has a good D, like Warsaw, they're hard to beat. It is interesting to watch, however for me it slows down the game too much. OTOH, I'm not a big fan of the pass happy "greatest show on turf" style either. I like to see a balanced offense. This obviously boils down to a matter of personal preference, and I can appreciate and respect your view on it. Being a former resident of NE Indiana, I hope Warsaw does well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACKGOLD2007 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 I love a team that has a strong run game that can exert their will on teams. A big Oline that just gets better as the game progresses. 94 Nebraska comes to mind, in how they dismantled a very very good Miami Hurricane D. I prefer a trap style of run game, kids in HS just do not like to be hit like that over and over. especially if they are being honed in on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSUKingsmen Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 Close game......🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLCTigerFan07 Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 On 11/3/2023 at 10:07 PM, BSUKingsmen said: Close game......🙄 Exactly the #1 concern when running "Bart Ball" is what happened in the 3rd quarter of the game. This was a 10-3 game at halftime, and Warsaw had a chance to make it 10-6 or even take a 13-10 lead going into halftime with a 1st and 10 at the Penn 43 yard line, but a 15-yard penalty on their final drive of the 2nd quarter thwarted that opportunity. The start of the 3rd quarter, the compounding issues escalated things quickly. Kingsmen oppend the 2nd half with an impressive 80 yard drive that ended in a touchdown to take a 14-3 lead. Then, later the quarter, one of the strangest touchdowns of all time. Penn punted the ball (Warsaw never touched it) and the ball never made it to the line of scrimmage. A Penn player then picked up the ball and ran it all the way into the endzone for a touchdown to make it 21-3. Apparently, a punt is a live ball for EITHER team if it doesn't get back to the line of scrimmage. Ruling was correct, just not something you see that often. After that, it was all but over. Being forced the throw the ball, an extremely unfortunate pick-6 on Warsaw's next drive all but sealed the door shut with Penn leading 28-3. I'm not going to sit here and act like a 31-10 game was "close". However, it wasn't as bad as the final score indicated in my opinion. Good luck to the Kingsmen this week! They are a heck of a team, and I can only imagine the slugfest that will be their matchup against Crown Point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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