Trojanmp52 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 Ever since they went to 32 teams I have felt they should do away with sectionals and just do regionals. One let’s face it ishaa is not going away from blind draw like it or not I do not see them changing. So this would be a way to help at least in my mind. Like BD and brownburg this year u have a 1 in 3 chance they would play first game. If you go to 8 team regionals, that goes to 1 in 7. Not saying it would not happen but the odds are better. Two they do not have to reinvent the wheel they regionals are already set so no more work for them. Three it would safe the ishaa money 8 less trophies they would have to buy. Like said my opinion and we all how opinion’s on here go. Lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psaboy Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 52 minutes ago, Trojanmp52 said: Ever since they went to 32 teams I have felt they should do away with sectionals and just do regionals. One let’s face it ishaa is not going away from blind draw like it or not I do not see them changing. So this would be a way to help at least in my mind. Like BD and brownburg this year u have a 1 in 3 chance they would play first game. If you go to 8 team regionals, that goes to 1 in 7. Not saying it would not happen but the odds are better. Two they do not have to reinvent the wheel they regionals are already set so no more work for them. Three it would safe the ishaa money 8 less trophies they would have to buy. Like said my opinion and we all how opinion’s on here go. Lol So, how would you determine the teams that get in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PDB26 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 (edited) 22 minutes ago, psaboy said: So, how would you determine the teams that get in? All 32 teams in each class still get in. There are four regionals from eight sectionals. The suggestion is to conduct the blind draw within each of the four regions. Pretty good suggestion, and I don't think I've seen anyone propose this before. Edited October 30, 2023 by PDB26 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojanmp52 Posted October 30, 2023 Author Share Posted October 30, 2023 56 minutes ago, psaboy said: So, how would you determine the teams that get in? 33 minutes ago, PDB26 said: All 32 teams in each class still get in. There are four regionals from eight sectionals. The suggestion is to conduct the blind draw within each of the four regions. Pretty good suggestion, and I don't think I've seen anyone propose this before. Yes nothing would change as far as everyone is still in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US31 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 I actually think you'll see some type of sectional seeding in the next few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AW0352 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, US31 said: I actually think you'll see some type of sectional seeding in the next few years. Just a gut feeling? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTF Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 (edited) Throw the topic at hand out the window. The IHSAA will never abolish the sectional trophy, and I don't blame them. It was a good thought though. Edited October 30, 2023 by BTF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojanmp52 Posted October 30, 2023 Author Share Posted October 30, 2023 1 hour ago, BTF said: Throw the topic at hand out the window. The IHSAA will never abolish the sectional trophy, and I don't blame them. It was a good thought though. I agree with you they will not but, in my opinion and for what that is worth sectional champs does not mean as much as did once. With only 4 teams it is water down and most years you know who is going to win. I am not sure about the north but I can tell you who with 100% faith I am right who is going to win 3pm the 4 in the south. The one in question I still would have got right. Not by much mind you but still right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PDB26 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 11 minutes ago, Trojanmp52 said: I agree with you they will not but, in my opinion and for what that is worth sectional champs does not mean as much as did once. With only 4 teams it is water down and most years you know who is going to win. I am not sure about the north but I can tell you who with 100% faith I am right who is going to win 3pm the 4 in the south. The one in question I still would have got right. Not by much mind you but still right. Under your proposal, we call the regional the "sectional" and now we're back to the old three game championship. I like it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US31 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, AW0352 said: Just a gut feeling? There seems to be more "talk" amongst coaches....that plus the Indystar article just gives me a feeling. Wont know for sure until IFCA starts meeting again in the off-season. Unlike last time the IFCA made a propasal, all the "pieces" seem to be in place now (mercy rule being the big one). ETA: My personal preference would be to seed the sectionals top to bottom using Sagarin, with better seeds getting the first home game. Then just playing the rest of the tournament as we have been. I have no idea what would actually be proposed by IFCA (previous was just seed the top 2 teams in sectional). Edited October 30, 2023 by US31 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbat Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Trojanmp52 said: I agree with you they will not but, in my opinion and for what that is worth sectional champs does not mean as much as did once. With only 4 teams it is water down and most years you know who is going to win. I am not sure about the north but I can tell you who with 100% faith I am right who is going to win 3pm the 4 in the south. The one in question I still would have got right. Not by much mind you but still right. Maybe in 6A, but I think the guys in 5A still look at the sectional as something to be achieved. Sectional 13, in 5A South, is not an easy pick and may turn out to be one of the more interesting sectionals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTF Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 25 minutes ago, US31 said: There seems to be more "talk" amongst coaches....that plus the Indystar article just gives me a feeling. Wont know for sure until IFCA starts meeting again in the off-season. Unlike last time the IFCA made a propasal, all the "pieces" seem to be in place now (mercy rule being the big one). ETA: My personal preference would be to seed the sectionals top to bottom using Sagarin, with better seeds getting the first home game. Then just playing the rest of the tournament as we have been. I have no idea what would actually be proposed by IFCA (previous was just seed the top 2 teams in sectional). I could see using Sagarin as a guide, but not the be all end all. I'm sure the IHSAA could form a committee with a group of volunteers who'd be more than happy to determine seeds. I think solely using the Sagarin will encourage some coaches, not all, to run up scores when they shouldn't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US31 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 1 hour ago, BTF said: I could see using Sagarin as a guide, but not the be all end all. I'm sure the IHSAA could form a committee with a group of volunteers who'd be more than happy to determine seeds. I think solely using the Sagarin will encourage some coaches, not all, to run up scores when they shouldn't. No complaint from me on using something else....as long as it doesn't include "polls". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTF Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 39 minutes ago, US31 said: No complaint from me on using something else....as long as it doesn't include "polls". Agree, it's hard to trust the Coaches Poll and the AP. No offense to the coaches, but I can't imagine they have much of a grip on who a legitimate Top 10 should be and in what order. Some may have a grasp on it, but many probably don't care and are more concerned with game filming for the next week. The AP Poll has come a long way over the years, especially recently. It used to go solely off of record. More and more it seems that they are incorporating strength of schedule as a part of their decision process. If I'm on a committee, I'm probably using Sagarin to help me as a guide for the southern part of the state. So I'd be more than happy to defer to someone on the committee who is from that area. I could see breaking the state down into eight sectors and having a rep from each of those areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psaboy Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 21 hours ago, PDB26 said: All 32 teams in each class still get in. There are four regionals from eight sectionals. The suggestion is to conduct the blind draw within each of the four regions. Pretty good suggestion, and I don't think I've seen anyone propose this before. So, seeded sectionals renamed to a bigger regional then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PDB26 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 2 hours ago, psaboy said: So, seeded sectionals renamed to a bigger regional then. You could seed within the four regionals and then reseed for the semi state if that's important, but I think @Trojanmp52's suggestion was to random draw within the four regionals. @BTF said the IHSAA would never get rid of the sectional--which makes sense to me; it's probably a more meaningful championship than the regional to more around the state--so I suggested eliminating the regional round. This would give us 6 classes with the three game sectional, and the only difference would be that the winners of 5A and 6A sectionals advance to the semi state. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimeqb Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Other sanctioned sports skip the Semi-State round - Golf, Swimming, Track, and XC I know for sure. For 6A I think 8 team sectionals, a Regional, and then state final makes sense. Since 6A is capped at 32 teams, it will always be a 5 game tournament and you can just group teams by 8's. Not sure I would like that setup for any other classes. Remember when 6A was created they had a "dead week" between semi-state and state finals? Two weeks to prep for state finals, rather than round 1 opponent like currently. That adjustment was made after seeing how the tournament unfolded. I think we have seen enough 4 team sectionals at 6A to know that 8 would be better and the change should be made. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodney Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 21 hours ago, BTF said: I could see using Sagarin as a guide, but not the be all end all. I'm sure the IHSAA could form a committee with a group of volunteers who'd be more than happy to determine seeds. I think solely using the Sagarin will encourage some coaches, not all, to run up scores when they shouldn't. the only time they shouldn't is when they can't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTF Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Rodney said: the only time they shouldn't is when they can't Are you still coaching at Merrillville? If not, how do you handle a situation when you're up 50 points at halftime? Do you put your second stringers in to work on depth and the next year? Or do you go for 100? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodney Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 27 minutes ago, BTF said: Are you still coaching at Merrillville? If not, how do you handle a situation when you're up 50 points at halftime? Do you put your second stringers in to work on depth and the next year? Or do you go for 100? with a 50 point lead the game plan doesn't change, we run the ball until late in the fourth and then we start throwing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB123 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 On 10/29/2023 at 5:24 PM, Trojanmp52 said: Ever since they went to 32 teams I have felt they should do away with sectionals and just do regionals. One let’s face it ishaa is not going away from blind draw like it or not I do not see them changing. So this would be a way to help at least in my mind. Like BD and brownburg this year u have a 1 in 3 chance they would play first game. If you go to 8 team regionals, that goes to 1 in 7. Not saying it would not happen but the odds are better. Two they do not have to reinvent the wheel they regionals are already set so no more work for them. Three it would safe the ishaa money 8 less trophies they would have to buy. Like said my opinion and we all how opinion’s on here go. Lol The regionals are already set. There is no more "work" to be done after the sectional draw. Sectional 1 winner plays Sectional 2, Sectional 3 plays Sectional 4, and so on down to Sectional 47 and Sectional 48. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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