• Announcements

    • Coach Nowlin

      Head Coach Openings 2017   10/18/2016

      Frankton: Randy England  Bobby Ryan Promoted  Franklin Community:  Adam Reese  Chris Coll hired from Tri-West Martinsville: Brad Rose  Carter Whitson Hired  Lake Central: Brett St. Germain Tony Bartolomeo Promoted South Bend Clay: Craig Redman  Will Porter Hired from South Vermilion  Boone Grove:  Tony Tinkel   Dan Kukulski Promoted  Mooresville:  Chad Dockery Mike Gillin hired from Indian Creek Wood Memorial:  Caleb Cherry/Archer  Bret Kramer Hired Tippecanoe Valley:  Shriver/Norris   Stephen Moriarty  Hired Corydon Central:  Andrew Smith    Aaron Humphrey Hired Calumet New Tech:  Rik Richards  Rick Good Hired  Winamac:  Tim Roth Craig Barr Hired   Tri-West: Chris Coll Tyler Bruce Promoted North Central (Indy): Kevin Kreinhagen Kevin O'Shea hired from Lafayette Central Catholic Indy Chatard:  Vince Lorenzano Rob Doyle Promoted Paoli: Brian Balsmeyer Jeremy Lowery Promoted Mt. Vernon (Fortville): Doug Armstrong  Neil Kazmierczak  Hired from Lebanon  Bluffton: Randy Hudgins Brett Kunkel Hired Indian Creek: Mike Gillin Brett Cooper Hired Vincennes Lincoln:  Jon Heiden  Levi Salters Promoted  Frankfort:  Joel Sienicki Eric Davis Hired from Tri-County South Vermillion:  Will Porter  Greg Barrett hired from North Putnam Riverton Parke:  Jake Weber Brad Sanders Promoted Elkhart Central:  Levon Johnson Josh Shattuck hired from Seymour Mt. Vernon (Posey) Paul Meirer Cory Brunson hired from Evansville Harrison Richmond:  Matt Holeva  Abe Tawfeek hired from Indy Northwest Lebanon:    Neil Kazmierczak Jeff Smock Hired North White:  Jim Davis Kirk Quasebarth Promoted  North Posey:   Paul Rynkiewich  Waylon Schenk hired from Princeton  Pike Central:  Dustin Powell   Erik Mattingly Hired  John Glenn:  Damon Groves Austin Faust Promoted North Putnam:  Greg Barrett Sam Carnes Hired  Lafayette Central Catholic: Kevin O'Shea Don Coller Promoted  Evansville Harrison: Cory Brunson Lane Oxley Hired Indianapolis Roncalli:  Bruce Scifres Scott Marsh Promoted    Princeton:   Waylon Schenk   Jared Maners Hired Ft. Wayne North:  Mike Cochran Michael Brevard Hired Turkey Run:  Steve Stewart Bruce Scaggs Hired Indianapolis Northwest:   Abe Tawfeek Jonas Williams Promoted Tri-County:  Eric Davis  Sam Zachary Hired Carroll Community:  Mark Brown Kevin Sayler Promoted  Oldenburg Academy:  Wes Gillman  Union County:  Rusty Hensley Joel Hofmann promoted Edgewood: Jerry Bland Brian Rosenburg Hired Seymour:  Josh Shattuck  Michael Kelly Hired Wawasee:  Josh Ekovich Michael Eshbach hired from Eastside Muncie Central:  Adam Morris Scott Pethtel Hired Benton Central:  Ed Roberson  Mike Hammons  Promoted  Western:  Ron Jankovich Alex Stewart Hired New Castle:  Will Ragle  Kyle York Hired Sullivan:  Trent Olson Blaine Powell promoted Northwestern:  Alex Stewart Steve Disler hired  Clinton Central:  Isaac Sturgis Justin Gardiner Hired North Miami:  Mark Lefebvre  Joe Grant Hired from Rochester Spring Valley Justin Scheller Mark Hammond Hired  Edinburgh:  Derrick Ball  Jason Burton Hired Eastside: Michael Eshbach  Cloverdale: Tony Meyer  New Albany: Sean Coultis Steve Cooley promoted Rochester: Joe Grant  Hammond Clark: Eric Schreiber  Hammond Noll:  Colin McCullough  Wayne Racine hired Lake Station:  Adam Hudak   South Central:  Eric Stephens Buzz Schoff Hired  Caston:  Brady Jones Brian Hooker Promoted  
Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0
Titan32

How important are Freshman teams?

39 posts in this topic

On ‎4‎/‎19‎/‎2017 at 9:50 AM, MarshallCounty said:

How does a good little league program like Bremen, produce 1 freshmen?  Did you see South Bend Riley's softball?  The more time goes by, the more I suspect athletics and education will separate. 

South Bend Riley

 

Mind boggling that only one is playing baseball... Not sure what Bremen freshman enrollment is for boys this year, but guessing 120 kids. If 50% are boys, only 18 of those 60 are playing a spring IHSAA sport. (15 in track, 1 golf and 1 in baseball and 1 playing rugby at Marian) There is a Lacrosse club team in Bremen so maybe a few there but very interesting and disappointing on numbers that are actually active in a spring sport. Not good for any program. Talking to another parent from SB Washington last night at the baseball game, there's concern on their part that they might not even have a baseball team next year. They don't have a JV and we have a very-limited JV - everyone dresses varsity. So I guess it's not just limited to just the small schools...

 

 

 

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On ‎4‎/‎6‎/‎2017 at 7:30 PM, dave mosbey said:

Actually Heritage Hills has fielded a freshman team for years on my website I go back to 2002 and we have had a freshman team every year also I have old programs from the mid eighties and we had a freshman team back then also. Not a lot of games most years though. 

 

The 1986 program has the frosh-JV schedule listed together with 5 games listed as frosh, another 5 listed as JV and the 11th game didn't list either one so it might have been combo I have no clue because I didn't attend lower level games until the early 2000s.

 

My 1983 yearbook has a small article on the JV and Freshman teams and it said the frosh were 4-0. 

Now that I posted this I heard a rumor today  that for the first time in years Heritage Hills might not field a freshman team in 2017. Not sure if its true but that class only had 22 players last year so if they had many kids quit I could see the season being canceled.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted (edited)

On ‎4‎/‎6‎/‎2017 at 2:54 PM, Titan32 said:

I think the sweet spot for this question is 2A, 3A and maybe 4A.  In football my experience has been when a school can't field a freshman team....the program itself is more than likely in decline.  Also....can the same be said for baseball and basketball...or are those sports completely different animals?

 I know some schools attach some sort of prestige to a freshman playing on JV or Varsity, (I use the term playing loosely...it might mean siting the bench), particularly in basketball (even when the numbers are there for a freshman team).  It seems to me that the prestige strategy often disrupts the team dynamic or at least does nothing to improve the ability for an entire team to play together or prepare to play together down the road.

Also, how much additional development is really achieved with the move up? Or, if winning is the motivation...how many additional games are won?  In terms of baseball...if you have to have freshman to fill out your JV squad and kids who would normally be JV moving up to Varsity in 2A through 4A....I would think the odds are that program won't be a state contender anytime soon.

We all don't have the luxury of great numbers...and you do what you have to do in any of the before mentioned sports.  I guess I am curious where we all think the line falls in terms of moving freshman up because you have to....or because you want to.  And....when the numbers are bad, is that automatically a head coach problem?

 

I think it depends on a given situation regardless of class.  Obviously 1A schools don't have the enrollment for freshmen teams and more than likely many 2A schools won't either.  I would tend to think there are several larger schools who don't have successful programs that have little to no interest for football but maybe get great numbers for other sports (since you mentioned basketball and baseball).  To my knowledge, Linton has never had a freshman team in football.  So to say that not having a freshman teams indicates "a likely decline" in the program, doesn't fit with them (and add in LCC and Pioneer).  Linton has had really good football success over the past 20 years in spite of not having a freshman team.  So maybe in their case, having freshmen play at the JV/Varsity level benefits their program.  I attended a high school in Ohio that had around 1200 students.  We always had a freshman team.  The really good players (freshmen) got to dress for JV games but rarely saw the field.  The really good JV players got to dress for Varsity on Friday nights but rarely got to see the field.  It was an "honor" just to be selected to dress at the next level let alone play.  If you got in the game at all it was usually near the end and it was a HUGE deal to be on the field.  It was weird (for me) to see freshmen starting games for football in Indiana (moved here in 1995).  I wasn't used to that, but then again, it's about numbers whether you have a small enrollment or whether there is a lack of interest in the sport at the larger schools.  Just my 2 cents.

Edited by itiswhatitis
0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 6/1/2017 at 3:43 PM, dave mosbey said:

Now that I posted this I heard a rumor today  that for the first time in years Heritage Hills might not field a freshman team in 2017. Not sure if its true but that class only had 22 players last year so if they had many kids quit I could see the season being canceled.

Dave, I heard the same thing on Sunday.  No freshman team, one middle school team as supposedly there are not enough for 7th and 8th grade.  

Also, I have heard that we have dropped to about 37 on the varsity roster--can you confirm that?

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
12 minutes ago, PatriotFan said:

Dave, I heard the same thing on Sunday.  No freshman team, one middle school team as supposedly there are not enough for 7th and 8th grade.  

Also, I have heard that we have dropped to about 37 on the varsity roster--can you confirm that?

You guys are pulling my leg.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted (edited)

42 minutes ago, Titan32 said:

You guys are pulling my leg.

Wish I was.  I had heard that several quit, but then Sunday I heard the staggering numbers.  Of course things go around, but you can't make this up.  I never imagined that this would happen.

Don't misunderstand, I think we will go .500 and finish in the top 3 of the PAC, but it could be a rough fall--to early to tell.  Who knows, we may beat the snot out of your guys with half the people!!!!  :01:

Edited by PatriotFan
0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, PatriotFan said:

Wish I was.  I had heard that several quit, but then Sunday I heard the staggering numbers.  Of course things go around, but you can't make this up.  I never imagined that this would happen.

Don't misunderstand, I think we will go .500 and finish in the top 3 of the PAC, but it could be a rough fall--to early to tell.  Who knows, we may beat the snot out of your guys with half the people!!!!  :01:

You guys can go to Semi-State with 11 players...it's how you roll.  I just wonder what the deal is.

1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
22 hours ago, PatriotFan said:

Dave, I heard the same thing on Sunday.  No freshman team, one middle school team as supposedly there are not enough for 7th and 8th grade.  

Also, I have heard that we have dropped to about 37 on the varsity roster--can you confirm that?

Only rumors I heard was incoming sophomores down to 18 from 28 and might not have freshman team... If all you posted is true and we are down to 37 Varsity roster 10-12  that means we lost 12 from the incoming junior/senior classes because last season we had 13 Juniors (one was exchange student so we knew he would be gone ) and 18 sophomores ..

 

It will be interesting the final numbers but would think if the freshman season is canceled those players would be added to the JV/Varsity roster boosting the number at least to over 40.

 

But 2004 Patriots had 35 in 10-12 and beat Chatard in semi state with their roster around 100.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, dave mosbey said:

Only rumors I heard was incoming sophomores down to 18 from 28 and might not have freshman team... If all you posted is true and we are down to 37 Varsity roster 10-12  that means we lost 12 from the incoming junior/senior classes because last season we had 13 Juniors (one was exchange student so we knew he would be gone ) and 18 sophomores ..

 

It will be interesting the final numbers but would think if the freshman season is canceled those players would be added to the JV/Varsity roster boosting the number at least to over 40.

 

But 2004 Patriots had 35 in 10-12 and beat Chatard in semi state with their roster around 100.

Again, all just what I heard, but yeah, you got it.  My understanding is that 8 seniors quit, which would leave 4 juniors.  

As for that 2004 team--that was one of the meanest, nastiest high school football teams I have ever seen anywhere.  I think they would have taken on the Colts and smiled during the beat down.  

We will likely be OK, it is just concerning.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
48 minutes ago, PatriotFan said:

Again, all just what I heard, but yeah, you got it.  My understanding is that 8 seniors quit, which would leave 4 juniors.  

As for that 2004 team--that was one of the meanest, nastiest high school football teams I have ever seen anywhere.  I think they would have taken on the Colts and smiled during the beat down.  

We will likely be OK, it is just concerning.

Wow if we lose 8 Seniors that would be a huge blow our senior class would be down to 5 or 6.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, dave mosbey said:

Wow if we lose 8 Seniors that would be a huge blow our senior class would be down to 5 or 6.

Again, it is talk.  We shall wait for a roster and hope for the best.

1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Freshman teams are critically important.  Not so much about learning Varsity schemes or winning games as they are about keeping kids involved and loving the game.

Kids can change a ton between Freshman and Senior year (or even Sophomore year).  The important thing is keeping them involved and letting them grow into the game.  

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, Lysander said:

Freshman teams are critically important.  Not so much about learning Varsity schemes or winning games as they are about keeping kids involved and loving the game.

Kids can change a ton between Freshman and Senior year (or even Sophomore year).  The important thing is keeping them involved and letting them grow into the game.  

Indeed and just what I told a guy the other day.  if you got a dozen kids--field them and hope there aren't any injuries....

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 6/7/2017 at 5:20 PM, PatriotFan said:

Again, all just what I heard, but yeah, you got it.  My understanding is that 8 seniors quit, which would leave 4 juniors.  

As for that 2004 team--that was one of the meanest, nastiest high school football teams I have ever seen anywhere.  I think they would have taken on the Colts and smiled during the beat down.  

We will likely be OK, it is just concerning.

Here is what I know... from the sectional team we fielded, only two Senior to be players did not show. One is 50-50 on not coming back out ( was a off and on starter) on OL DL. Mandatory has not started yet so this could change. The other SR to be did not start any games and may have had a few plays late in the 4th qtr... so not an impact. Another Sr to be quit around the 3rd week last yr... he was expected to be a starter last yr but when that didn't happen... coupled with non football issues, he quit. So we played 2/3 of the season without him.... so not a big deal.. he certainly could have helped this yr and probably would've been a starter on one side of the line. 

 

It it is absolutely untrue that 8 Sr to be players quit. I counted 11 out there this week

 

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!


Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.


Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.