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That’s the dumbest thing I’ve heard all day and I’ll say it right to your face12 points
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46 years at Scecina as an assistant and head coach...quite an impressive run. He was an assistant coach there for all 5 of my brothers. The last of my brothers graduated in 1982; probably the most infamous class in Scecina history. 😄 Coach Hurrle is a class act, and so many have been blessed to be on his teams and in his classrooms. Best of luck Coach Hurrle in your retirement. https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/high-school/2024/03/14/indiana-high-school-football-coaching-legend-ott-hurrle-retires-scecina-memorial-ihsaa/72972519007/6 points
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Coach Hurrle is definitely one of the good guys and truly a legend in the coaching ranks. His years of service have meant so much for the school and the east side of Indianapolis. He will be missed but wish him the best in his well deserved retirement. Ott was a few years ahead of me at Scecina so I didn’t play for him but two of my brothers did (75 & 76). Two of my sons played for him, one was a sophmore on the 94 team that was arguably their best team. They were the last team to beat Roncalli and unfortunately lost their running back (Donald Winston) to an injury in the semi state game. Lost that game by one as the second attempt of the point after was botched, the first one was good but flag was thrown late for an equipment infraction (mouthpiece wasn’t in on a lineman). The story for that experience was always something I marveled at as the holder talked about his experience at the senior retreats for the next couple of years. Great guy and highly successful. Coach left the next year and unfortunately my son suffered thru a winless senior year. The other son was on the state losses as a sophmore and junior. (I know 20 years apart as I had kids in there for 20 out of 21 straight years. 🤓 ) They were the team that was moved up for being to successful when they never won a championship. That term has always baffled me as you look back at that move when it happened. It was an overtime game in the semi state against Linton. Scecina kicked a field goal to go up 3. Linton takes it to fourth and goal from the one. Could have kicked the field goal but decided to go for the win. So if they score they go to state and Scecina stays in 1A and has a good shot at state the next year. If they stop them on one play they are deemed to successful. Got to admit that play was pretty awesome. Now I have a grandson that played as a freshman on the varsity team. It was a little scary as he was only about 115lbs. His first interaction with Coach Hurrle was hilarious in films after his first catch. Scored a couple of touchdowns and had a great year. The thing is that anyone involved with this program thru the Hurrle years could give you stories that would reflect the same feelings. He coached football but developed character. Job Well Done Coach and Enjoy your retirement6 points
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My 2 cents: I first saw Westfield when they came up to play Merrillville in the semistate in November, 2020. Before the game even started, I knew Merrillville was in trouble. Even in the pregame, you could see Westfield was extremely well-organized and disciplined. And that’s the way they played. Not extraordinarily athletic, but no missed assignments, no bad body language, no stupid penalties. Their sideline ran as smoothly as I’ve ever seen in a great big game on the road. In that regard, I felt they were comparable to Center Grove. In my view, these are the signs of a very well-coached team: discipline and execution. In the times I’ve seen them after that, same thing.5 points
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why? there are some years where you can speculate some about a few of the larger class champions (mainly 4/5 being able to compete in a one off with the champion of 6a) unless ur putting all classes together for a gigantic tournament to find out who the real champion is i don't see the point in making one team of high schoolers state champions and everyone else class champions based on where they grew up3 points
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Is this really what some people in big schools worry about? Does it eat away at your person every time a 1A champion is crowned? I mean, find something worthwhile to worry about in life. Sheesh. Oh, and they already do this. Class 1A State Champion Class 2A State Champion, etc.3 points
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Quick. Someone tell Snider its championship is devalued since 5A only had 31 teams last year.3 points
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How can it not be? Apparently this is what the American citizens want. I see NO positive outcome from this election. My only hope is whoever loses shuts the f…up and rides off into the sunset….. But we all know this ends in a shitstorm.2 points
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Saw reports there was 4 or 5 suitors asking for JF, but JF's Agent requested that those teams not be the final destination and led them to Pittsburgh. I believed Poles then and I do now, when he said he was going to "do right' for JF when he makes his decision. Rooting for the kid.2 points
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No doubt whatsoever. Probably the best player with his hand in the dirt since Reggie White. But — and I heard this on the radio today — please stop with the comparisons to Lawrence Taylor as the greatest defensive player of all time. LT completely revolutionized the way 2 different positions — offensive tackle and outside linebacker — were played. They had to invent a new position (“edge rusher”) to describe what he did. Just read The Blind Side. Or, you can just ask Joe Theismann. 😉2 points
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I'm all in for a second high school. More opportunities for kids. Think about it, double the number of kids playing in all athletics. I think these large mega schools are a disservice to the community.2 points
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When it comes to athletics, we all know that it's not "all about the kids" in most cases (yes, there are outliers). It's all about the egos. Anyone who thinks differently is just kidding themselves.2 points
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Another spoiler alert. Even worse, some people get paid a lot more to throw a ball in a little hoop.2 points
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There is a demographic study on Westfield's website.....it projects 3900 in 33-34...slide 18 https://www.wws.k12.in.us/about-us/destination-westfield2 points
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If it a private sector salary then it is really nobody's business. But if that salary comes from taxpayer funds then it behooves the public to be vigilant and questioning.2 points
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Just putting this out there: Gateway in INdiana where this data comes from is ANY MONEY the school corp pays you. For instance, when I look at my "gateway" number, it is more than the teaching contract with the 2 varsity sports I coach and its stipends. I do Middle School reffing for my AD, school has to put it on my payroll , which came from central office decision, so be it, but those type of things raises the number on Gateway. Just throwing it out there.2 points
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DE Levi Oxley (Reitz) and DT Delshan Davis (North) were chosen to play in the North South All-Star game!2 points
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That's a great question. I'm in agreement with you as far as "I don't think you can put a price tag on the development of young people," is concerned. Which is why whether coach Gilbert (or others like him) is compensated via an ever flowing athletic revenue stream or a community-wide tax "burden" (we both agree on the definition of burden here), I don't believe it matters. I believe he is fairly compensated for the work he's done/ doing and that if more places around the state (and dare I say country) followed suit, they would in turn see similar success and therefore enhance the culture of their schools and communities.2 points
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https://www.indystar.com/story/opinion/columnists/2024/03/13/does-the-ncaa-pay-income-taxes-players-nil-deals-caitlin-clark/72931145007/ Agreed. The NCAA and it's member institutions should all be taxed.2 points
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1. Money, great SES, two parent households, etc. 2. One of, if not THE fastest growing area of population in the state. 3. Facilities are top notch. 4. Best conference in Indiana FORCES them to stay competitive (a rising tide raises all boats). 5. Recent state championship appearance/success that can be sold as a cultural piece to the current crop of student athletes. 6. Pay/teaching schedule. Just my opinion.2 points
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If this is a legitimate concern, we could just utilize our brain power (decision makers) and write a clause or bylaw into the classification rules that would allow 1A to be corrected/ adjusted to always have 32 teams, given extreme circumstances such as "teams in 1A drop football or close all together in a 2 year cycle, (list other reasons), or otherwise." I was even kind enough to begin drafting the clause for 'em! Lol I'll be honest, one of my primary reasons for supporting 1A having 32 teams as opposed to 5A is the health and safety of the 1A players. Do we truthfully believe that it's "more grueling" for 5A schools with rosters of anywhere from 50-100 guys to go through their season than it is for 15-35 guys on 1A rosters, most of whom are playing all 3 ways? Let's give those 1A guys the extra week to get healthy before the postseason. Valpo, Merrillville, Whiteland, Decatur Central, and the like will manage just fine without a Bye, in my opinion. My initial thought/ question. I just decided to play along and attempt a solution for HoopsCoach's proposed problem.2 points
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Not really a surprise to the locals here. Coach Gilbert ran for Westfield mayor last year, but lost to current mayor Scott Willis in the May Republican primary. With Coach Miracle taking over, a long time Gilbert assistant, the program is in good hands.2 points
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Maybe we can start a grass-roots movement in all sports-- the school that wins the highest class tournament is the STATE CHAMPION...the school that wins all of the smaller class tournaments are CLASS CHAMPIONS.1 point
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What problem are you trying to solve here? Is Lutheran walking around claiming they’d take down Ben Davis? Id assume all reasonable people can make a distinction between being the best in the state among peers. If your goal is semantics you need to add ‘high school’ to your state champion tag, otherwise Notre Dame might end up having a beef with Ben Davis.1 point
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In every school below 4A this is likely fact. Carmel has theirs made by skilled craftsmen from Italy.1 point
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The whole Fields discourse has really brought out the fact that most people watching do not actually know anything about football. He ran the same offense for two years in a row and did not improve even slightly (in the QB-friendly Shanahan system, I might add). The OL discourse is mute because sacks are mostly a QB stat (something most people just can’t seem to wrap their head around), driven home even more so by the fact that Bagent had about half the sack rate in 5 games playing behind the exact same OL. Pretty telling that Nagy and Getsy also both got jobs immediately after they left. All advanced passing stats say that he was a bottom 5 QB in the NFL this year.1 point
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I don't understand how Fields has turned into a martyr. 3 years of film exists. And for 3 years experts who view the all 22 will tell you he can't see open WR's, holds the ball too long and is incapable of throwing WR's open. Seems like all of this is swept under the rug because it's the Bears and they're an easy punching bag. Yes, he dealt with injuries in the OL that created inconsistency and he dealt with rotating coaches. You can't give him a free pass on skills you need from your QB just because the infrastructure surrounding the QB is going to get better. Especially when you have a solid QB class in front of you and a chance to restart the clock on the QB payscale.1 point
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Getting rid of Fields to draft Caleb Williams would be the most Chicago Bears thing ever.1 point
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I agree with Donnie Baker. Why would you care? You know who doesn't care? The big school champions. Why would this truly matter? Run this by the 400 + principals and see what they think.1 point
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Congrats to Isaac Gaylor of Fountain Central for making the North team at TE for this summer’s North/South game. He’s the 10th Mustang to play in the series1 point
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So a "grassroots movement" over... semantics? I mean, you do you, but I don't really see what this accomplishes.1 point
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2 privates just beat 2 publics in 3A Semistate semis. St Joe & Guerin Catholic may meet up in 14 days at State Finals. In 2A, Park Tudor got knocked off by Brownstown Central (hooray!) In the other bracket, defending champion FW Blackhawk is looking for yet another small class title. In addition to the Success Factor, the IHSAA should incorporate an enrollment multiplier as some states do-- multiply p/p enrollment by 1.5 to determine their class. But they never will...1 point
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There are discussions about a 3rd high school in the the SE corner of the county. I have no idea how serious those are or if its likely to happen. Geographically it would seem a 3rd school would probably have to be up near Lapel, off of 32 or 38...not much open land anywhere else. HSE currently has 4 junior high schools, so how those would spread between 3 high schools would be interesing (unless the plan was to also add some Jr high schools or restrucure what they do with grades 5-8.) Interesting thought problem about Indy Metro athletic confernces....If HSE and Westfield add another high school each in the next decade.....how will that change HCC/MIC/etc? https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=197NFgLcxNzY2NbagYL5uavc3RsRmrmiJ&scrlybrkr=180f3c06&ll=40.015709144062015%2C-85.9691205&z=121 point
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I do not get why so many are so high on Xavier. When he is on, he is unstoppable, with shooting and passing. My issue is that he so rarely shows that level of play. I see much more of him dribbling into traffic, putting up crazy shots, throwing passes that are way off. He just seems to be responsible for far too many turnovers. That said, that ranking list was from June. There were very high expectations for him back then. I did not see it then either. I rarely agree with Dakich on things, but blogger boys is hilarious; and sooo true.1 point
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I think it'll happen. Town and Ditch are getting developed from 146th all the way up to 32. Spring Mill and Oak Ridge are pretty much "there" and any open land is getting developed. North of 32, there are developments scattered around Ditch, Spring Mill, Grand Park, and up to Chatham Hills Golf Club. NE of the HS there's a lot of developments going in around 191st street over to the Noblesville border. I wouldn't be surprised if they ended up capping out around 3,500 in the future.1 point
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Do athletic revenues justify these salaries or is it more of a tax burden? And I don't mean "burden" in a bad way. I don't think you can put a price tag on the development of young people.1 point
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You would think that much pay would almost certainly mean some form of admin role but the gateway website that @FridayNightLights used to report his earnings will list administrators roles (including Deans) in the "Job Titles/ Duties" section of the compensation spreadsheet. That leads me to believe that Coach Gilbert had a teacher's schedule and/ or contract as opposed to an administrative schedule/ contract. I have NO CLUE, maybe @temptation has the answer for us or someone else does because upon a quick search through Google, Westfield's Strength Coach is listed as a "HS aide" and he makes more than most (probably 80%) contracted teachers in the state of Indiana. Upon further review, I think Temp MIGHT have sold 'em short by not saying "top 3 job. 😂1 point
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From the Indy Star article link at the top of this thread. This pretty much answers the question about the former assistant now head coach: The plan is already in place for Gilbert’s replacement. Josh Miracle, an assistant for Gilbert the past 13 years, will take over for Gilbert. Miracle has been the associate head coach and defensive coordinator for the past decade and was named the Frank Broyles Award winner for the top assistant in Indiana last season.1 point
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I believe what he is saying is that less than 32 teams would devalue a championship. 5A and 6A have 32 currently and have a much less of a chance at shutting down a program before the season begins or not being able to finish because of injury. 1A could begin with 32 and be at 28 by the end of a two year cycle. I know a few years ago (2021?) we had at least two 1A schools shut the program down right before the season began. It's not a ridiculous thing to consider.1 point
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