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  1. Rules Ideas

    Exactly my point good and bad. Coaches and players will adjust and do what you let them. Your one that is quick with the warning has very few issues because they deal with it early. The other doesn't and has issues, you perfectly sum up the solution, jsut enforce it and it will not typically be an issue. My question is this, if some are not enforcing it when the rule is 3, why would you think they magically start enforcing it if the rule was no one in there? The bad part is just what I have said all along, a lack of consistency, if properly enforced early and often in the year, it will become a non issue
  2. Rules Ideas

    What in that statement is wrong? I find parts of this post really funny, officials complaining about teams having to many people in the coaching box, yet being the only ones who can fix it, but think it is stupid to assume they should fix it!!! Real question, if you do not want to listen to sidelines complain about enforcing the rule the way it is now, why do you think they would be different if the rule was made more strict and enforced? Like I said coaches and players will adjust, it is not their fault many crews just choose to not enforce is because they do want want to get yelled at. Oh yea, and they do not want to throw a flag on the coaches when they argue for actually enforcing a rule!!!
  3. Rules Ideas

    Again the officials have total control over this, if they act disrespectful throw the unsportsmanlike flag, and if it continues get rid of them. If it is consistent throughout the state early, it gets taken care of in a few weeks.
  4. Rules Ideas

    It is like anything else, make it a POE, call it often early and it will not be an issue later on. Players and coaches actually do have the ability to adjust to how games are being called!!! The issue is if it is only called one time out of 10 that the rule is broke. I would guess if it is enforced universally, as written, for about 2 weeks, maybe just one, the issue would be solved. That is one of the issues that the officials who are complaining about it can actually fix, and easily. If you do not want people in the box, just flag it, and like I said if done universally and every time for a week or 2 I would guarantee there would not be extras in the box week 3!!
  5. Sitting Out Bowl Games

    What about the trickle down effect? Kids deciding once they commit to a college to shut down their sr year and skip the playoffs for fear of injury and getting the scholly pulled before they get injured, I mean in some respects it is the same thing correct?
  6. Rules Ideas

    Why is it hard to keep them out, just flag it if they stay in when the ball is live, 1-2 flags and they will get out. It is only difficult if you let it be difficult
  7. What is a "catch?"

    If you read what is says, then yes there are times that you can have a catch under 1 interpretation and not the other.
  8. What is a "catch?"

    So why not make terminology just match? By the supporting doc, you can say that it was a catch--control was maintained AFTER INITIAL contact, not long after, but since the INITIAL contact is not what caused it to come loose by using that definition you can call it a catch, no limits on how long after listed. My issue becomes officials have cited a rule and a supporting document on here that CAN CONFLICT with each other, depending on how they are interpreted, any to me that should not happen, use the same lingo, same definition in both documents.
  9. What is a "catch?"

    I have only referenced the 2 NFL mentions, the one in the OP and the one fbofficial posted from the NFL, they are not the same, why? That is the question, all I hear on here is that they are the same, but they are not. 2 cites from the NFL, and both with different definition, why?
  10. What is a "catch?"

    So why have 2 separate rules defining a catch (or at least written in 2 places that are not the same)? Just have a single definition, is that to much to ask?
  11. What is a "catch?"

    Listen, I agree by the 1st rule posted it was incomplete, I also think if you just watch it and someone asks you did he catch it, must people would say, yea, he caught it just not by the NFL definition. I also think the 2 rules stated can conflict with each other, and am wondering why they are both included? Through the process, and after initial contact are 2 totally different things, why have both in the books?
  12. What is a "catch?"

    Actually reading it just like it is written!!! Surviving contact with the ground and being able to get up is not the same as controlling after INITIAL contact, in fact it is WAY different. There have been 2 sources of the rule posted, they do not say the same thing, why have it listed 2 times? Just eliminate the part about a player going to the ground that fbofficial posted from the NFL Football operations. I could say, based on the part from the Football operations that you were reading way to much into it as well with your definition, and both could be correct.
  13. What is a "catch?"

    He had control of it after the initial contact as well, the initial contact was the knee, still had control of the ball after that when but hit, still after when elbow hit, still after when he went to extend it. Again one just says after INITIAL contact, one says through the process or whatever, and those can be interpreted as 2 very different things. How long after initial contact do you need to possess it? Since in that part of the rule it does not say, but has something else in another area, they can very easily be interpreted differently, and if it is just the part referenced in the OP, why the other mention of it?
  14. What is a "catch?"

    So another question then, why does the rule state INITIAL contact, when according to the officials, it needs to be initial, secondary, and all other contact until you get up. By the rule that was posted however, it only states INITIAL contact with the ground, which would be the 1st contact, in the catch in question, it was knee, then shoulder, then elbow, then hand before ball moved a little. It can be CORRECTLY argued, that he maintained control thru the INITIAL contact with the ground can it not? If that is actually part of the rule, then it seems like that is in direct conflict with the other quoted rule that was stated that was in the op where it states "If the player is going to the ground, the demonstration of control requires that he actually hold the ball throughout his contact with the ground, i.e., “secure the catch.”" We have one citation of the rule that says you have to survive the initial contact with the ground and another that states maintaining control throughout contact with the ground, and those are VERY different definitions that can easily conflict with each other, are they not?
  15. What is a "catch?"

    Just a question with this quote, could it not be interpreted that the initial contact with the ground was when the knee hit, and he had control after that INITIAL contact? Just asking based on the way it is written? If so how long do you need to maintain control after the initial contact? Based on how that is written, you can say when he went down and still had control of the ball (both hands were still on it and it was secure) when the INITIAL contact with the ground occurred. Just reading this, the key word to me is initial, meaning first, and he had control of the ball when the first contact with the ground occurred. Again, just based on that post, you could interpret it that he did maintain control thru the initial contact with the ground, could you not?