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Reduce 6A to 24 Schools


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1112 Carmel High School 1,359 1,338 1,267 1,322 5286 AAAAAA 1 2221 Ben Davis High School 1263 1075 1100 1061 4499 AAAAAA 2 3433 Warren Central High School 961 962 960 938 3821 AAAAAA 3 4344 North Central (Indpls.) High School 973 939 872 943 3727 AAAAAA 4 5 7 9 14 Fishers High School 950 887 862 810 3509 AAAAAA 5 6555 Penn High School 840 856 782 860 3338 AAAAAA 6 7866 Lake Central High School 827 850 795 844 3316 AAAAAA 7 8677 Pike High School 909 825 792 769 3295 AAAAAA 8 9988 Hamilton Southeastern HS 827 803 840 803 3273 AAAAAA 9 10 10 10 12 Avon High School 838 770 724 763 3095 AAAAAA 10 11 11 11 10 Noblesville High School 805 744 750 702 3001 AAAAAA 11 12 12 12 11 Crown Point High School 735 704 697 719 2855 AAAAAA 12 13 14 16 18 Brownsburg High School 726 676 693 715 2810 AAAAAA 13 14 13 13 13 Franklin Central High School 759 719 700 626 2804 AAAAAA 14 15 33 44 16 Indpls. Arsenal Technical High Schoo 614 716 696 582 2608 AAAAAA 15 16 17 19 20 Lawrence North High School 702 607 632 655 2596 AAAAAA 16 17 16 15 17 Center Grove High School 648 640 630 603 2521 AAAAAA 17 18 18 20 23 Perry Meridian High School 626 619 605 595 2445 AAAAAA 18 19 15 14 9 Portage High School 620 586 621 609 2436 AAAAAA 19 20 19 18 21 Homestead Senior High School 678 580 586 580 2424 AAAAAA 20 21 21 24 28 Carroll (F.W.) High School 597 652 598 565 2412 AAAAAA 21 22 25 34 40 Westfield High School 668 573 563 530 2334 AAAAAA 22 23 20 17 15 Lawrence Central High School 539 565 616 570 2290 AAAAAA 23 24 23 26 26 Southport High School 588 589 559 518 2254 AAAAAA 24

 

Reducing 6A to 24 schools eliminates several mid size cities like Lafayette, Ft Wayne, Terre Haute, Bloomington, Evansville and Columbus from the largest classification.  Rich suburban school districts in Crown Point, lake Central, Penn, Homestead and Carroll remain in 6A and have the resources to invest in better football programs.  

All PPs have the option to petition to play up to 6A if they choose, potentially pushing more publics down to 4A

24 teams in 6A creates a 5 week tournament and further delineates the line between big school and mega school.

Elkhart is not listed above, pushing Southport down to 5A

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1 minute ago, DT said:

1112 Carmel High School 1,359 1,338 1,267 1,322 5286 AAAAAA 1 2221 Ben Davis High School 1263 1075 1100 1061 4499 AAAAAA 2 3433 Warren Central High School 961 962 960 938 3821 AAAAAA 3 4344 North Central (Indpls.) High School 973 939 872 943 3727 AAAAAA 4 5 7 9 14 Fishers High School 950 887 862 810 3509 AAAAAA 5 6555 Penn High School 840 856 782 860 3338 AAAAAA 6 7866 Lake Central High School 827 850 795 844 3316 AAAAAA 7 8677 Pike High School 909 825 792 769 3295 AAAAAA 8 9988 Hamilton Southeastern HS 827 803 840 803 3273 AAAAAA 9 10 10 10 12 Avon High School 838 770 724 763 3095 AAAAAA 10 11 11 11 10 Noblesville High School 805 744 750 702 3001 AAAAAA 11 12 12 12 11 Crown Point High School 735 704 697 719 2855 AAAAAA 12 13 14 16 18 Brownsburg High School 726 676 693 715 2810 AAAAAA 13 14 13 13 13 Franklin Central High School 759 719 700 626 2804 AAAAAA 14 15 33 44 16 Indpls. Arsenal Technical High Schoo 614 716 696 582 2608 AAAAAA 15 16 17 19 20 Lawrence North High School 702 607 632 655 2596 AAAAAA 16 17 16 15 17 Center Grove High School 648 640 630 603 2521 AAAAAA 17 18 18 20 23 Perry Meridian High School 626 619 605 595 2445 AAAAAA 18 19 15 14 9 Portage High School 620 586 621 609 2436 AAAAAA 19 20 19 18 21 Homestead Senior High School 678 580 586 580 2424 AAAAAA 20 21 21 24 28 Carroll (F.W.) High School 597 652 598 565 2412 AAAAAA 21 22 25 34 40 Westfield High School 668 573 563 530 2334 AAAAAA 22 23 20 17 15 Lawrence Central High School 539 565 616 570 2290 AAAAAA 23 24 23 26 26 Southport High School 588 589 559 518 2254 AAAAAA 24

 

Reducing 6A to 24 schools eliminates several mid size cities like Lafayette, Ft Wayne, Terre Haute, Bloomington  and Columbus from the largest classification.  Rich suburban school districts in Crown Point, lake Central, Penn, Homestead and Carroll remain in 6A and have the resources to invest in better football programs.  

All PPs have the option to petition to play up to 6A if they choose, potentially pushing more publics down to 4A

24 teams in 6A creates a 5 week tournament and further delineates the line between big school and mega school.

Couldn't the same arguments be made for rural vs. metropolitan-type schools in the lower classes?  I mean, if you look at socioeconomic status, there are some 3A public schools that have much better advantages than their 3A public brethren.  

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1 minute ago, foxbat said:

Couldn't the same arguments be made for rural vs. metropolitan-type schools in the lower classes?  I mean, if you look at socioeconomic status, there are some 3A public schools that have much better advantages than their 3A public brethren.  

The focus here is on bringing balance to 6A.  Stay on topic

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2 minutes ago, foxbat said:

Couldn't the same arguments be made for rural vs. metropolitan-type schools in the lower classes?  I mean, if you look at socioeconomic status, there are some 3A public schools that have much better advantages than their 3A public brethren.  

Somebody is listening, lol!

2 minutes ago, DT said:

The focus here is on bringing balance to 6A.  Stay on topic

How do we determine byes?  Blind draw?  

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2 minutes ago, temptation said:

Somebody is listening, lol!

How do we determine byes?  Blind draw?  

I would first award a bye to conference champions.  The conference championship has been diminished by the all in tournament.  

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2 minutes ago, DT said:

The focus here is on bringing balance to 6A.  Stay on topic

Just asked a simple question. 

But OK, the same thing that "supposedly" is why the top 24 thrive ... your statement about rich and suburban is also the same environment that others are in that pushes them out.  Lafayette Jeff would be pushed out of the top 24 and, based on the their F/RL numbers, that falls into the narrative.  On the other hand, Harrison is likely to also be pushed out as well as they will likely be in 6A this cycle or the next and they look like Penn and Lake Central who you called out by name.

12 minutes ago, temptation said:

Somebody is listening, lol!

Well that was what the premise was based on wasn't it?

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5 minutes ago, foxbat said:

Just asked a simple question. 

But OK, the same thing that "supposedly" is why the top 24 thrive ... your statement about rich and suburban is also the same environment that others are in that pushes them out.  Lafayette Jeff would be pushed out of the top 24 and, based on the their F/RL numbers, that falls into the narrative.  On the other hand, Harrison is likely to also be pushed out as well as they will likely be in 6A this cycle or the next and they look like Penn and Lake Central who you called out by name.

Well that was what the premise was based on wasn't it?

Penn  and Lake Central have mega school enrollments.  Jeff and Harrison do not and never will.  The Lafayette schools have already been booted out of The HCC.  5A is a great place to live for your biggest schools.  This should be clearly obvious 

In the eyes of Jeff and Harrison fans, wouldnt a 5A championship be just as sweet as a 6A title?

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5 minutes ago, foxbat said:

Just asked a simple question. 

But OK, the same thing that "supposedly" is why the top 24 thrive ... your statement about rich and suburban is also the same environment that others are in that pushes them out.  Lafayette Jeff would be pushed out of the top 24 and, based on the their F/RL numbers, that falls into the narrative.  On the other hand, Harrison is likely to also be pushed out as well as they will likely be in 6A this cycle or the next and they look like Penn and Lake Central who you called out by name.

Well that was what the premise was based on wasn't it?

Jeff getting pushed out of the top 24 would be the best thing to happen to them honestly. 

Yep, just like seeing someone else say it.

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2 minutes ago, DT said:

Penn  and Lake Central have mega school enrollments.  Jeff and Harrison do not and never will.  The Lafayette schools have already been booted out of The HCC.  5A is a great place to live for your biggest schools.  This should be clearly obvious 

Based on YOUR premise, the schools don't have to be mega school enrollment to be in the top 24 ... they just have to be one of the 24 largest in the state.  Your topic is "Reduce 6A to 24 Schools."  Jeff is likely to be passed by Harrison in the next couple of years if not in the next year based on two new subdivisions that are in the leveling stage as we speak within a mile of the school on the campus's northern boundary ... word on the wind is that a minimum of 300 new households will go in those subdivisions alone.  What's clearly obvious is that Jeff and Harrison are both candidates for 24 or higher.  While 5A would be great for both schools, that hasn't mattered to the IHSAA who has placed them in 6A.  Even cutting the lower boundary to 24 might not help these two schools escape 6A eventually.  And by your statement they don't belong there from their play ... but the numbers, say they are more likely to get to your 24 lower boundary than not eventually.

 

14 minutes ago, temptation said:

Jeff getting pushed out of the top 24 would be the best thing to happen to them honestly. 

Yep, just like seeing someone else say it.

I don't disagree at all, but the numbers are the numbers and you play where they fall.  And, to Jeff's credit, they've played the hand that they've been dealt.

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16 minutes ago, temptation said:

Jeff getting pushed out of the top 24 would be the best thing to happen to them honestly. 

Yep, just like seeing someone else say it.

Same thing goes for Harrison.  Just as they've started climbing and making inroads and would have been pretty competitive in 5A moving forward, it looks like they are going to be the newest member of the 6A club maybe as early as this cycle.

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23 minutes ago, foxbat said:

Based on YOUR premise, the schools don't have to be mega school enrollment to be in the top 24 ... they just have to be one of the 24 largest in the state.  Your topic is "Reduce 6A to 24 Schools."  Jeff is likely to be passed by Harrison in the next couple of years if not in the next year based on two new subdivisions that are in the leveling stage as we speak within a mile of the school on the campus's northern boundary ... word on the wind is that a minimum of 300 new households will go in those subdivisions alone.  What's clearly obvious is that Jeff and Harrison are both candidates for 24 or higher.  While 5A would be great for both schools, that hasn't mattered to the IHSAA who has placed them in 6A.  Even cutting the lower boundary to 24 might not help these two schools escape 6A eventually.  And by your statement they don't belong there from their play ... but the numbers, say they are more likely to get to your 24 lower boundary than not eventually.

 

I don't disagree at all, but the numbers are the numbers and you play where they fall.  And, to Jeff's credit, they've played the hand that they've been dealt.

The Indy schools will continue to grow as well.  If Harrison pushes in to the Top 24, then so be it.  Reducing from 32 to 24 takes all the Tier 2 cities out of the top classification in one fell swoop.  Its a brilliant move.  I hope it happens.

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47 minutes ago, DT said:

The Indy schools will continue to grow as well.  If Harrison pushes in to the Top 24, then so be it.  Reducing from 32 to 24 takes all the Tier 2 cities out of the top classification in one fell swoop.  Its a brilliant move.  I hope it happens.

You referring to your own idea as a "brilliant move" reminds me of George Constanza.  

Jerk store? It's a smart line. I'm not gonna dumb it down for some bonehead mass audience!

 

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Honestly the Tippecanoe County government school corporation needs to downsize to just one mega-sized 9-12 high school.   Consolidate Harrison and McCutcheon into one school and voila! you have the makings of a 6A athletic powerhouse to challenge the Marion/donut counties hegemony.

 

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18 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

Honestly the Tippecanoe County government school corporation needs to downsize to just one mega-sized 9-12 high school.   Consolidate Harrison and McCutcheon into one school and voila! you have the makings of a 6A athletic powerhouse to challenge the Marion/donut counties hegemony.

 

LN/LC should do the same...(won't ever happen but would love to see it for selfish reasons).

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31 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

Honestly the Tippecanoe County government school corporation needs to downsize to just one mega-sized 9-12 high school.   Consolidate Harrison and McCutcheon into one school and voila! you have the makings of a 6A athletic powerhouse to challenge the Marion/donut counties hegemony.

 

Might as well just toss Jeff into the mix as it's halfway between the two and you've got a school to rival Carmel.

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3 minutes ago, foxbat said:

Might as well just toss Jeff into the mix as it's halfway between the two and you've got a school to rival Carmel.

Sounds good to me, just more political hurdles to overcome to make it happen.   And you have Jeff's football palace for the home games.

 

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6 minutes ago, JQWL said:

2 out of 24 teams making the state finals. 8.3% of the teams in the class will be in the state finals. Inching too close to marching band if you ask me.

Since the inception of 6A only 6 schools have made the finals anyway.  This proposal, as far fetched as it may be at least gives other teams a shot.

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15 minutes ago, foxbat said:

Might as well just toss Jeff into the mix as it's halfway between the two and you've got a school to rival Carmel.

How boring.  No local games to watch.  Guess you can go watch Lafayette High School practive on Friday nights for entertainment.  Or maybe watch 4500 student LHS take on 250 student LCC   That would be a barn burner.

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3 minutes ago, DT said:

How boring.  No local games to watch.  Guess you can go watch Lafayette High School practive on Friday nights for entertainment.  Or maybe watch 4500 student LHS take on 250 student LCC   That would be a barn burner.

You forgot about the West Lafayette River Rats.

 

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28 minutes ago, JQWL said:

2 out of 24 teams making the state finals. 8.3% of the teams in the class will be in the state finals. Inching too close to marching band if you ask me.

Everybody wants a trophy! Let's just do away with Championships and Classes and go to a 10 game schedule like the old days.

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24 minutes ago, gonzoron said:

Everybody wants a trophy! Let's just do away with Championships and Classes and go to a 10 game schedule like the old days.

What's wrong with wanting a trophy as long as there is competitive balance? The 275lb kid shouldn't be able to thump his chest and proclaim greatness after pinning the 140lb kid. 

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42 minutes ago, BTF said:

What's wrong with wanting a trophy as long as there is competitive balance? The 275lb kid shouldn't be able to thump his chest and proclaim greatness after pinning the 140lb kid. 

Then the 140 lb kid should try the sport of wrestling. Let's take football back to what it used to be in Indiana. 

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Using this years tournament, the 24 schools would be grouped into the following Regionals.  Note there is no Sectional round in new Class 6A    Seedings have also been provided for bracket purposes :

Region 1

Crown Point   4

Lake Central     6

Portage   5

Elkhart    1

Penn    3

Carroll    2

Region 2

Homestead   3

Noblesville   6

HSE    4

Fishers    5

Westfield   1

Carmel    2

Region 3

Brownsburg   1

Avon   4

Ben Davis   3

Pike   5

Tech    6

North Central   2

Region 4

Warren Central   3

Center Grove    1

Lawrence North    2

Lawrence Central   4

Franklin Central    5

Perry Meridian    6

 

Semi State - Neutral Site   Region 1 vs Region 3

Semi State - Neutral Site    Region 2 vs Region 4

State Championship             LOS

 

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