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14 hours ago, Greene County Coach said:

This week...

Bloomfield at Clay City:  Bloomfield by a lot... 

Linton at Barr Reeve:  Hmmm... This will be a nice test for the Miners.  I have heard BR will be relatively young this year.  The BR person I was talking to seemed to think they wouldn't be able to replace everything they lost.  Weak Senior class, so lots of Juniors and Sophomore starters.  Then again it is BR... they always seem to reload.  Maybe they will be like the Linton football team... young and maybe a year away.  Should be a good game regardless.

Mitchell vs. WRV:  Eastern couldn't beat them... I doubt WRV has any chance... I'm hoping they can score 30 points for the game.

North Central vs. North Daviess:  SOmebody told me the only boys team in recent memory... that is worse than NC... was last years team.  ND wins.

North Knox vs. Shakamak:  Shakamak won't be very good, but NK must be worse... WRV beat them

Washington vs. Eastern:  The football legs aren't completely gone... I'll take Washington

Then... 

Edgewood vs. Bloomfield:  I've heard big things about a player or two from Edgewood.  I'll take Edgewood

Eminence vs. Clay City:  I wasn't sure Eminence would beat NC as badly as they did, but surely CC is a little bit better.  They will be better coached.  CC in a close one.

NK vs. Eastern:  Eastern by a lot

Rivet vs. ND:  I don't know anything about Rivet... I've heard ND is a little down.  

Washington Catholic vs. Shakamak:  I don't know much about WC, but I think the Lakers may go 2-0 this weekend... nice... considering Linton will likely destroy them on the 15th.

Rivet only beat Shakamak by 4, 37-33. ND beat Washington 49-40.

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Wasn't surprised to see Linton put away Clay City with 18-4 (2nd qtr) and 19-5 (4th qtr) runs. No disrespect to Clay City, the Miners can just come at you in waves once they get it going.

Was surprised the Miners jumped out to a 24-4 first-quarter lead at Vincennes Lincoln. Then again, I think the players had last year's game vs. VL - the one they let get away - on their minds.

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On ‎12‎/‎4‎/‎2017 at 11:38 AM, Greene County Coach said:

This week...

Bloomfield at Clay City:  Bloomfield by a lot... 

Linton at Barr Reeve:  Hmmm... This will be a nice test for the Miners.  I have heard BR will be relatively young this year.  The BR person I was talking to seemed to think they wouldn't be able to replace everything they lost.  Weak Senior class, so lots of Juniors and Sophomore starters.  Then again it is BR... they always seem to reload.  Maybe they will be like the Linton football team... young and maybe a year away.  Should be a good game regardless.

Mitchell vs. WRV:  Eastern couldn't beat them... I doubt WRV has any chance... I'm hoping they can score 30 points for the game.

North Central vs. North Daviess:  SOmebody told me the only boys team in recent memory... that is worse than NC... was last years team.  ND wins.

North Knox vs. Shakamak:  Shakamak won't be very good, but NK must be worse... WRV beat them

Washington vs. Eastern:  The football legs aren't completely gone... I'll take Washington

Then... 

Edgewood vs. Bloomfield:  I've heard big things about a player or two from Edgewood.  I'll take Edgewood

Eminence vs. Clay City:  I wasn't sure Eminence would beat NC as badly as they did, but surely CC is a little bit better.  They will be better coached.  CC in a close one.

NK vs. Eastern:  Eastern by a lot

Rivet vs. ND:  I don't know anything about Rivet... I've heard ND is a little down.  

Washington Catholic vs. Shakamak:  I don't know much about WC, but I think the Lakers may go 2-0 this weekend... nice... considering Linton will likely destroy them on the 15th.

I think you could probably get votes for Medora being the worst boys team.  They lost last weekend  80 - 7 to Springs Valley.  Yeah, that's 7 total points for a game!  North Central may not be a very good team, but I don't think they are THAT bad.

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North Central was considered the worst team in the state last year, losing every game with several teams scoring 100+ on them. Ironically, North Central (Indy) was considered the best, although they lost in the regional. If it weren’t for them being in our conference, we probably would’ve dropped them already. (I’ve stated before that I wouldn’t mind dropping our conference and joining another, or just not being in a conference). We will find out today (GCI draw) if we have to play them twice like last year. Luckily, I think they’re a little better this year.  I *think* they were ahead of WRV most of their game, but ended up losing. Could be wrong about that. 

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5 hours ago, itiswhatitis said:

I think you could probably get votes for Medora being the worst boys team.  They lost last weekend  80 - 7 to Springs Valley.  Yeah, that's 7 total points for a game!  North Central may not be a very good team, but I don't think they are THAT bad.

Hate to change the subject to football LOL but did you know the guy who coached North Central last year (Scott Pherson) is now the strength coach at Columbus East?

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Guessing his tenure as hoops coach never found its way to his resume.  Good luck to him!  Their current coach told me he stepped in to fill a void that nobody else would.  All the while admittedly knowing he wasn't a basketball coach.  I never thought he received enough recognition for that.  (You could argue that not fielding a team might have been better, but I wouldn't agree.  Not fair to their kids nor the teams on their schedule).

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3 hours ago, ts32 said:

Hate to change the subject to football LOL but did you know the guy who coached North Central last year (Scott Pherson) is now the strength coach at Columbus East?

If you are talking football, the "guy who coaches" North Central is Travis Nolting.  Or are you saying Pherson was the basketball coach and now the football strength coach at Columbus East?

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Got to the forum late this year.  Can't believe the gushing by area fans regarding Linton.  When reading the description of some of Linton players I thought we had a team loaded with D1 basketball players that could challenge Memphis East or Montverde Academy. Comparing Linton's kids to some of the best to play in the SWIAC this century is way to early.  And let's not forget Jt Yoho & Dess played in the SWIAC recently. 

After watching us play BR I realized we we're still white kids with no one athletic enough to play D1 basketball right now. Lets come back to earth and hope this team buys into Coach Hart's program. If so we'll be a tough out in March. Nothing more, nothing less. 

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8 hours ago, itiswhatitis said:

If you are talking football, the "guy who coaches" North Central is Travis Nolting.  Or are you saying Pherson was the basketball coach and now the football strength coach at Columbus East?

Yes. Pherson was the basketball coach at NC and is now the football strength coach at East. Pherson was Nolting's defensive coordinator at North Central last year. He volunteered to coach the basketball team when the previous basketball coach quit after the school year started and NC couldn't find anyone else on such short notice.

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Maybe now that WRV got beat last night to even their record, the reality from their coach can be checked....I doubt it.  Lol  he thought somehow having  winning record would miraculously continue and that his coaching was the entire reason.   Wow

If coached properly they could have competed with Mitchell last night and that’s without wrv’s 3 best players from last year playing.   WRV offense is laughable, I’m not sure what YouTube video he got it from, but he should seek advise from his assistants or outside source.   Wow it’s bad, and he can’t see it.   Oh and everyone in the gym knew the Blackwell kid from Mitch can shoot lights out, but our coach sure didn’t know or try to guard him  until he was 5 of 6 from deep   

Pretty sure they missed over 30 block outs last night.   The boys try but they or the program  aren’t being lead in a good basketball direction.  Very sad situation continues here...been bad for quite a few years.  Will it get fixed or will the board continue down this sad direction?  Entire program overhaul is need, as still no youth program exists.  Kudos to the girls for having a youth program.  

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3 hours ago, Shooter1 said:

Maybe now that WRV got beat last night to even their record, the reality from their coach can be checked....I doubt it.  Lol  he thought somehow having  winning record would miraculously continue and that his coaching was the entire reason.   Wow

If coached properly they could have competed with Mitchell last night and that’s without wrv’s 3 best players from last year playing.   WRV offense is laughable, I’m not sure what YouTube video he got it from, but he should seek advise from his assistants or outside source.   Wow it’s bad, and he can’t see it.   Oh and everyone in the gym knew the Blackwell kid from Mitch can shoot lights out, but our coach sure didn’t know or try to guard him  until he was 5 of 6 from deep   

Pretty sure they missed over 30 block outs last night.   The boys try but they or the program  aren’t being lead in a good basketball direction.  Very sad situation continues here...been bad for quite a few years.  Will it get fixed or will the board continue down this sad direction?  Entire program overhaul is need, as still no youth program exists.  Kudos to the girls for having a youth program.  

I sure hate to hear this for the  players and their families. Maybe just shut er down?  A lot of folks financially cant move for a BB chance.

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I would say JT Yoho comparison to Kip is pretty good... Kip is a better athlete right now, but both are big kids for 2A basketball that have no interest in playing closer than 15 feet from the basket.  Remember JT was a very mediocre athlete... Especially as a sophomore.  As for D1 athletes.... Two baseball players... No basketball players.  Lincoln Hale has a lot of potential, but he is only a freshman.  Overall, a really young team who laid an egg against Barr-Reeve.  It should be noted... Coach Hart led teams always seem to hit their groove during the Wabash Valley or Greene County tournaments.  Maybe the lack of a football player presence has changed some expectations.

WRV is a shame... The feeder program is mostly a product of parents with no real direction from a varsity staff.  That is not the current coaches fault.  That has gone all the way back to when Tom Shelton and others stopped coaching for a time.  Guys like that were the fabric that gave some varsity coaches more talent than they deserved.  Sure the game changed a little... Kids started playing earlier and there is always AAU, but the complete lack of opportunities is embarrassing for a so called "basketball" school.  WRV needs a young energetic coach who can inspire kids to play... Build a feeder program that starts at no later than 2nd grade... recruit, recruit, recruit (just WRV athletes would be a nice start)... Build a family of basketball players.  I'm not sure they have that right now.

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Since we have the Dess/AK team comparison... A couple things before we start remembering the good ole days.  Those boys didn't have a winning record until their junior year.  They weren't a particular great group of defenders... AK controlled the paint (Dess blocked shots, but not always the best defender), while Bryant Jackson neutralized the other team's best scorer.  They had some nice glue parts that allowed their best players to do what they did well.  

That is maybe the most glaring issue with the 2017-2018 Miners... Slover is the only glue guy.... Maybe Silas Robbins in the post... Outside of that, a lot of Dess type guys... Especially Dess as a sophomore. Guys that look for their shot... Play sloppy defense... Etc... 

I think Coach Hart will get them straightened out... It may take a little time.  Remember, we are playing mostly underclassmen.  

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18 hours ago, Greene County Coach said:

Since we have the Dess/AK team comparison... A couple things before we start remembering the good ole days.  Those boys didn't have a winning record until their junior year.  They weren't a particular great group of defenders... AK controlled the paint (Dess blocked shots, but not always the best defender), while Bryant Jackson neutralized the other team's best scorer.  They had some nice glue parts that allowed their best players to do what they did well.  

That is maybe the most glaring issue with the 2017-2018 Miners... Slover is the only glue guy.... Maybe Silas Robbins in the post... Outside of that, a lot of Dess type guys... Especially Dess as a sophomore. Guys that look for their shot... Play sloppy defense... Etc... 

I think Coach Hart will get them straightened out... It may take a little time.  Remember, we are playing mostly underclassmen.  

Let's not backtrack.  The talk on here was comparing this year's team to the 2013 team, not to the 2011 team. My whole point is 2013 was better at this point by a large margin.  I'll also take the December 8th version of 2014, 2015, 2016,  & 2017 teams vs the Dec 8th version of this team. I realize those teams all improved and were much better later in the year. Hopefully we will this year also.

There are 0 division 1 basketball players on the Linton roster today. One kid may have a chance.  I love Kip, but comparing him to Yoho on a basketball court is dumb. Yoho is a pro. As in he gets paid to play basketball.  His skillset was far beyond Kip's as a sophomore. He was also bigger, had a better first step, and quicker feet.  Not a slight on Kip. Just a fact. Kip I'm sure is a much better baseball player than JT was. If you want to debate that, I'm not going to waste more time. We can just agree to disagree. 

 

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Definitely have to agree to disagree on Kip and Yoho... as sophomores... About the same.  Comparing the college version who had a strength/agility coach and a nutrition guy change his body isn't fair.  Sophomore version was a about 6'4"... Perimeter player who never seemed to shoot inside of 15'.  

As for the 2013 Miners, I wouldn't compare the two.  Not a fair comparison... That group only had a fringe D1 guy, but they had nice parts that complimented each other.  It took time for those parts to jell.   As for comparing other teams at this point... Also not fair.  Different team different issues to fix.  I can remember thinking about this time last year... Will the Miners ever score enough to win the big games (this was after dominating Vincennes Lincoln for almost a half... Then watching the wheels fall off).  Probably the same concern the previous year or two.  Not the same concerns this year... My concerns this year are defense... Which revolves around toughness and foot speed.  Offensively, the biggest problem is too many shooters... Not enough guys who can drive and score or penetrate a dish to a shooter.  Good news is they are young... And they have a great coach who will get the most out of them.  No need to have the 2013 conversation for at least a year or two.

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That's a very subjective opinion Hick.  How about some facts to back that point up... like how many points per game, rebounds or assists did yoho average as a sophomore..  "better first step and quicker feet" that is a tough comparison to make unless you have been watching 10 year old game film and comparing it with this years. 

Also I havnt read on here about anyone claiming that Linton had D1 basketball players on their team..  In fact I think you are probably the one that brought that into the conversation. 

WRV is a sad situation,  they have some young talent that should be at a school that with a legit basketball program.

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On ‎12‎/‎9‎/‎2017 at 10:03 AM, Shooter1 said:

Maybe now that WRV got beat last night to even their record, the reality from their coach can be checked....I doubt it.  Lol  he thought somehow having  winning record would miraculously continue and that his coaching was the entire reason.   Wow

If coached properly they could have competed with Mitchell last night and that’s without wrv’s 3 best players from last year playing.   WRV offense is laughable, I’m not sure what YouTube video he got it from, but he should seek advise from his assistants or outside source.   Wow it’s bad, and he can’t see it.   Oh and everyone in the gym knew the Blackwell kid from Mitch can shoot lights out, but our coach sure didn’t know or try to guard him  until he was 5 of 6 from deep   

Pretty sure they missed over 30 block outs last night.   The boys try but they or the program  aren’t being lead in a good basketball direction.  Very sad situation continues here...been bad for quite a few years.  Will it get fixed or will the board continue down this sad direction?  Entire program overhaul is need, as still no youth program exists.  Kudos to the girls for having a youth program.  

What's the word on the coaching situation for next year? I heard that Beasley is going overseas or something......

23 hours ago, Jshuttlesworth said:

That's a very subjective opinion Hick.  How about some facts to back that point up... like how many points per game, rebounds or assists did yoho average as a sophomore..  "better first step and quicker feet" that is a tough comparison to make unless you have been watching 10 year old game film and comparing it with this years. 

Also I havnt read on here about anyone claiming that Linton had D1 basketball players on their team..  In fact I think you are probably the one that brought that into the conversation. 

WRV is a sad situation,  they have some young talent that should be at a school that with a legit basketball program.

"THE incoming Freshman to watch would be Linton's Lincoln Hale,  the SWIAC hasn't seen a talent like this since Rehmel, the youngest Graves or Brody Boyd.........".

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5 hours ago, FalseHustle said:

What's the word on the coaching situation for next year? I heard that Beasley is going overseas or something......

"THE incoming Freshman to watch would be Linton's Lincoln Hale,  the SWIAC hasn't seen a talent like this since Rehmel, the youngest Graves or Brody Boyd.........".

Thank you.  And for the record I was not the one to originally compare Kip & JT.  I don't like doing that on a public message board.  These are still kids and pointing out flaws can be taken the wrong way.  At the same time the ridiculous hype of the team in general needed to be checked. Acting like our bench was full of all SWIAC caliber players is crazy.

I think Kip is a very good player and a great kid.  Has a tremendous future. I believe he's good enough to be a #2 option on state championship level team in the future.  

Lincoln is a special talent at our level. He has a lot to prove over the next 4 years before I will say he belongs in the catagory of top SWIAC players this century. Guys like Brody, AJ, Charmichael, Rhemel, Yoho, Dess were nightmares for opposing coaches.  They were all clutch and generally played their best in big games. Most importantly, they all made their teammates better. Lincoln hasn't gotten their yet. Dess didn't until he was a senior. The others did earlier in their career.  We will see with Lincoln. He has a shot. 

 

On to our team... We have a skilled but soft team that needs Coach Hart's molding. Let him do so and let's see what happens.

 

That is all. 

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On 12/8/2017 at 11:28 AM, Gridironjunkie said:

 (I’ve stated before that I wouldn’t mind dropping our conference and joining another, or just not being in a conference). 

Agree 100%. I remember when Linton first joined the SWIAC (I was living in Indy at the time). Our basketball teams weren't very good then. When I read about it my first thought was, SWIAC??? Is Linton de-emphasizing athletics?

I get it though. A lot of people in Greene County can't let go of the rivalries and the "glory days" of the old Switz City Sectional. Which is probably a big reason why we're stuck with the Greene County Invitational today.

It was a decent tourney a few years ago when some of the teams were better. Not so much now. Who locally has any interest in watching Eminence and Lighthouse Christian Academy.

It's not just the SWIAC either. I've talked to several coaches in the Blue Chip who would love to get rid of Shoals and Washington Catholic. 

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Shoals actually has a nice team this year. I thought their coach deserved coach of the year last year. There are two "Shoals kids" who are freshman at Loogootee. If they had stayed home, so to speak, Shoals would have been very good indeed. However, your point is a good one. The Blue Chip conference, once very good, is now a weak conference in terms of boys basketball. North Knox, Washington Catholic, Rivet, and Shoals are  usually weak teams.

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Did not know that about Shoals. I've only seen them play once in the last couple years and that was against Dugger. 

Linton doesn't really fit into any conference, at least none nearby. A little small, enrollment-wise for the WIC, plus Linton will never offer sports like soccer and wrestling. That and the WIC has already over-expanded IMO, what with its East and West divisions. Linton's better served as an independent in football anyway. It gives them the freedom to schedule the likes of Southridge, Monrovia and Cardinal Ritter.

Not sure conference affiliation matters all that much anyway. Even if Linton did drop out of the SWIAC they'd still play most or all of those teams anyway because they always have. And it's only 7 games out of 20+. 

Still not a huge fan of the SWIAC though. And you're right Taps, the Blue Chip was once very good. I remember when it truly was the "Blue Chips" of smaller-school Southern Indiana basketball.

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Short term in Basketball, sure Linton doesnt fit in the SWIAC...the rest of the sports they sure do.  And when I look back the last 35+ years they certainly fit basketball wise mostly in the bottom half of the standings.   Look I love the direction they are in, but the short term memory of some is what erks the few.  Joey and Matt have done great jobs in building the basketball and baseball programs, and Jared is changing the direction of the girls.   Lets hope some of the previous SWIAC power schools can fix their programs.

FalseHustle--yes I guess he informed everyone that he will be on military leave next year...probably saved his job for a year, as I doubt his contract would be renewed and had he not told them about the leave, I think he would have been cut short a year early of his 3 yr principal contract.

According to hearsay, Floyd and Hostetter will jointly run the Basketball program next year...not a horrible scenario if the returning coach is quality and the right leader.  That is not the situation WRV is in.  Hopefully they have the nads to realize the unprofessionalism and subpar job performance of this youtube coach and principal.   Fire him before he goes on leave and go get what is needed in a principal at the jr high and a leader for a basketball program.  But with this board, who knows what will happen---it anybodys guess.

IF what I am hearing is correct, there is going to be tons of talk at the statehouse about these small schools, might get interesting.

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Comparisons are tough... Kip and Yoho probably isn't fair... just their perimeter first approach is about the same.  Yoho grew and developed, but never became a 6'5" banger.  Some of the other guys weren't really factors until their junior and senior years.  Dess put it together on their run to the state title game, but even his senior year there were times most people had no idea what he would do from game to game.  AK also made a huge jump his senior year.  Rehmel had the heart of a lion the first time I watched him as a 6th grader... problem is he was really a senior before we got to see it in full force.  He was always a little on the small side.  Boyd and Graves were good on day 1 of varsity basketball.

WRV is a shame... reminds me of a football hire Linton made many years ago.  They looked at a resume with some college coaching experience and began to drool.  Young guy... college experience... must be the savior of Wolverine basketball.  Problem is... can't really turn a program around when you aren't invested 100%... or running off some of your best kids.

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19 hours ago, ts32 said:

Did not know that about Shoals. I've only seen them play once in the last couple years and that was against Dugger. 

Linton doesn't really fit into any conference, at least none nearby. A little small, enrollment-wise for the WIC, plus Linton will never offer sports like soccer and wrestling. That and the WIC has already over-expanded IMO, what with its East and West divisions. Linton's better served as an independent in football anyway. It gives them the freedom to schedule the likes of Southridge, Monrovia and Cardinal Ritter.

Not sure conference affiliation matters all that much anyway. Even if Linton did drop out of the SWIAC they'd still play most or all of those teams anyway because they always have. And it's only 7 games out of 20+. 

Still not a huge fan of the SWIAC though. And you're right Taps, the Blue Chip was once very good. I remember when it truly was the "Blue Chips" of smaller-school Southern Indiana basketball.

For most schools, I'm not sure I even see any benefit to being in a conference. In the past when most schools had no real chance to compete for a state title then winning your conference was a big deal, but with the class tourney the conference title doesn't mean much. I mean it might for a school like Shoals which has never won one, but for most it is a very small thing. I suppose a school like Washington Catholic would have trouble getting games without being in a conference. On the other hand I see no point in being in a conference where you are always the worst team.

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Linton 64, Shakamak 27. Lakers 1-18 shooting in the first half, 5-41 for the game.

Barr-Reeve 69, Eastern Greene 57. 69 must be the Vikings favorite number at least against 2A Sectional 47 SWIAC teams :02_v:

Eastern led 20-18 after the first quarter and trailed by just 3, 35-32 at the half. Didn't see the game of course but it sounds like it might be a step in the right direction for the Thunderbirds.

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