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2 hours ago, coachfields said:

 

I hate mayonnaise, I want absolutely no part of it in my life, but I wouldn't contend it is leading to the ruination of the sandwich world. 

 

Best analogy I have seen used ever on these forums! :13_v:

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7 hours ago, valleySTRENGTH said:

Anyone else notice the instance in the National Championship game where the "greatest college coach of all time" has a player (#48) punch a Georgia player in the facemask (genius), then go after an assistant coach on the Alabama sideline that is reprimanding him for being an *Deleted*, has to be restrained by teammates/coaches, but yet goes down and makes the tackle on the next kickoff.  Boy the "greatest college coach of all time" really showed him.

 

Not to mention the more this "bro culture" gets blasted on youtube, social media, or ESPN/tv networks, it isnt going away.  Maybe they should get some of the blame.

Seen something like this happen several years ago.

When my son was in 8th grade, they played a team with one kid who kept pushing/shoving WELL AFTER the whistle had stopped blowing.  Kid was an above-average-sized junior high lineman.  Refs didn't do anything.  Finally this jerk shoves my kid for the 3rd time - in front of the ref mind you - and my son asks him if he plans to throw the flag for that anytime tonight.  Ref tells him to shut his mouth and just play.  Kid does it next play, one of our assistants calls T/O and has a "discussion" with the head ref of the crew.  Next series, kid does it again and refs throw the flag.  Long story short, this kid gets flagged two more times in a row for this.  So one of his coaches send a sub in for him and as the kid gets to the sideline, coach starts chewing him out.  Should have been chewing on him well before that IMO.  Anyway the kid gets mad, shoves the coach and then goes after him and has to be restrained.  He got sat down on the bench for the rest of the 1st half.  Came back out and played the second half like nothing had happened.

If I was the coach, he would have been kicked off the team then and there.  Same goes for Alabama tool and the stunts he pulled.

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On 1/11/2018 at 11:36 AM, coachfields said:

I think the problem with this discussion starts at its foundation. It never started as a serious discussion.

There are clearly coaches, who have crossed professional lines in their relationship with their players. Some coaches have built relationship with players in order to enhance their own personal ego for self-satisfaction. This group of coaches tries to use the player to fill a void in their own self worth. At the extreme levels you see a coach who may coach who invites a player over to play video games as  a way to engage in inappropriate conversations. Maybe the coach joins in bad mouthing other coaches or teachers in the community. Far worse maybe the coach buys the student athlete alcohol or tobacco products. These things happen. They are terrible. They clearly cross a professional line. But I also think the coaches that participate in these behaviors are a small minority population in our profession. (If this is "Bro Culture," I agree we have a problem.)

On the flip side you have coaches that do things to build relationships with players in order to get that player to achieve their personal best. The goal is always to garner buy-in from the player to fulfill both personal and team goals. Maybe the coach has a Madden tournament as a team function. Maybe the team goes bowling together. Maybe the coach creates a catchy phrase or break-down  the team does a rallying cry.  Maybe the players come up with a funny dance they do after a big play and the coach does it in a crucial moment in a big game to let him know he is on the same page as them. Maybe coaches do a number of things that one would find silly or obnoxious or whatever but are completely within professional boundaries. (If this is "Bro Culture" then I think we are overlooking a lot of good in the game.)

The actions of coaches with good intentions that do not cross professional lines should not be criticized. I am an old school guy. I didn't chest bump guys when I started coaching at the age of 21. I don't do it now at the age of 35. And I still won't do it if I am still kicking and coaching at 71. But that's a matter of taste. And the interactions between coaches and players that are both well-intentioned and within professional guidelines should not be judged by outsiders based on personal taste or preference. 

I hate mayonnaise, I want absolutely no part of it in my life, but I wouldn't contend it is leading to the ruination of the sandwich world. 

 

Very-well stated.  

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IMHO the bro culture was on full display Sunday evening as evidenced by the antics of one Stefon Diggs of the Minnesota Vikings.  

After he scores his game winning touchdown against the Saints did Mr. Diggs turn away from the end zone and look for teammates to celebrate with?  No, he does not.  Does he jump into the stands, aka a "Lambeau leap", so he can share the moment with the adoring fans?  No, he does not.

What Mr. Diggs does is stop in the end zone.  He then removes his helmet and slings it aside,  then proceeds to mug for the cameras by first outstretching his arms then crossing them, staring at the crowd and the cameras.  The epitome of the "me first, look at me!" attitudes prevalent in the bro culture of football. 

I wonder if Mr. Diggs would have removed his helmet and mugged for the cameras if he had tripped at the 10 yard line and fumbled the ball out of bounds as time expired?  I think not.

Wasn't it Lou Holtz who once said something to the effect of "I told my players while on the field they can remove their helmets after a positive play if they also remove it after a negative play/penalty"?  Wise words.

 

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19 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

IMHO the bro culture was on full display Sunday evening as evidenced buy the antics of one Stefon Diggs of the Minnesota Vikings.  

After he scores his game winning touchdown against the Saints did Mr. Diggs turn away from the end zone and look for teammates to celebrate with?  No, he does not.  Does he jump into the stands, aka a "Lambeau leap", so he can share the moment with the adoring fans?  No, he does not.

What Mr. Diggs does is stop in the end zone.  He then removes his helmet and slings it aside,  then proceeds to mug for the cameras by first outstretching his arms then crossing them, staring at the crowd and the cameras.  The epitome of the "me first, look at me!" attitudes prevalent in the bro culture of football. 

I wonder if Mr. Diggs would have removed his helmet and mugged for the cameras if he had tripped at the 10 yard line and fumbled the ball out of bounds as time expired?  I think not.

Wasn't it Lou Holtz who once said something to the effect of "I told my players while on the field they can remove their helmets after a positive play if they also remove it after a negative play/penalty"?  Wise words.

 

Is this really bro culture or just one guy being a dbag.?

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1 minute ago, coachfields said:

Is this really bro culture or just one guy being a dbag.?

They are two sides of the same coin.

 

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I did see and hear that he praised God during his postgame interview. I believe he also thanked others too. 

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Humility is a virtue and you do see lots of athletes give praise to their blessings but don't necessarily walk the talk.  Obviously a huge moment in the young mans life and was likely just caught up in it.  He was pretty emotional and down to earth I thought in his interview.  I'd think a high percentage of modern day highly touted football players get a lot of personal praise from a young age which builds some ego and flamboyance.  Is that bro culture...probably as the way I'm hearing it described. 

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4 hours ago, Muda69 said:

They are two sides of the same coin.

 

No, they aren't.  There were plenty of "me first, D-bags" in the good ol days.  Billy "White Shoes" dancing all the time.  The '85 Bears doing the Super Bowl Shuffle THE MONDAY AFTER A LOSS.  I could go on, but you'll gloss over the point or "move the goalpost" anyways.

 

2 hours ago, bowwowindy1 said:

Is that bro culture...probably as the way I'm hearing it described. 

Then you're doing better than I am.  All I can gather out of Muda and DT's inane ramblings on the subject is that it's terrible that coaches show any sort of enjoyment for the activity they give (too) many hours to.  Oh, and your players shouldn't like you.  They can respect you, but the only way things work properly is if they fear you. I think?  

Wait, and chest bumps!  Holly molly, do not chest bump.  Next thing you know the players are running the show.  Chest Bumps are the devil!

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7 minutes ago, RegionFan said:

No, they aren't.  There were plenty of "me first, D-bags" in the good ol days.  Billy "White Shoes" dancing all the time.  The '85 Bears doing the Super Bowl Shuffle THE MONDAY AFTER A LOSS.  I could go on, but you'll gloss over the point or "move the goalpost" anyways.

Thank you for showing us that the bro culture has been incubating in society for decades now.

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36 minutes ago, RegionFan said:

Then you're doing better than I am.  All I can gather out of Muda and DT's inane ramblings on the subject is that it's terrible that coaches show any sort of enjoyment for the activity they give (too) many hours to.  Oh, and your players shouldn't like you.  They can respect you, but the only way things work properly is if they fear you. I think?  

Wait, and chest bumps!  Holly molly, do not chest bump.  Next thing you know the players are running the show.  Chest Bumps are the devil!

I've put a little speculation to it, but I see it as two parts...

Coaches being over sociable with their players.  Being buddies first and lacking the appropriate level of discipline.  Players being undisciplined, exercising moral turpitude and putting self over team.  And lets not forget to mention they do all of that at the expense of the taxpayers.

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