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Excessive grabbing, holding and slapping - Are we teaching football or street fighting?

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Watching this recruiting video of 6-4, 342 lb OG , the #1 offensive line recruit in the country.  

It sure looks like the latest rules allow just too much hand activity, including excessive grabbing, holding and slapping techniques.

Is this the way Indiana high school offensive linemen are being taught?  Clearly, this kid has been groomed for the NFL for quite some time now.  

Dont care for this technique, but it is what it is.  His run blocking-drive blocking skills seem to be somewhat underdeveloped due likely to overemphasis of this excessive hand fighting technique, which is what they must be teaching in these spread offense systems.

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Well that's one big stout dude no doubt.  He doesn't get inside very well that's for sure and he's consistently in the facemask which is a problem.  He never once works back down.  It seems like he's going against the same couple dudes every time which at the opening means they're studs.  i'm sure his friday night tape is dominant.  

Hands, hands, hands...it's been that way for a while.  Keep the head out of it.

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1 hour ago, bowwowindy1 said:

Well that's one big stout dude no doubt.  He doesn't get inside very well that's for sure and he's consistently in the facemask which is a problem.  He never once works back down.  It seems like he's going against the same couple dudes every time which at the opening means they're studs.  i'm sure his friday night tape is dominant.  

Hands, hands, hands...it's been that way for a while.  Keep the head out of it.

There isnt much contact between offensive and defensive linemen anymore, given that the QB is trying to get rid of the ball so quickly.  The days of drive blocking your man into the defensive secondary are apparently gone for good.  Today's techniques really seem to marginalize the natural talents and size advantages of enormous offensive linemen.  In guessing on the numbers, but probably not far off on size of NFL OL over the last 7 decades :

1950s   6-1, 215

1960s   6-2  230

1970s   6-3  255

1980s   6-4  275

1990s   6-4.5  290

2000s   6-5  300

2010s   6-5.5  320

2015 -16-17   6-6   330

 

Maybe we have hit the peak and will start to see a reversal

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On 1/30/2018 at 6:11 PM, DrivenT said:

There isnt much contact between offensive and defensive linemen anymore, given that the QB is trying to get rid of the ball so quickly.  The days of drive blocking your man into the defensive secondary are apparently gone for good.  Today's techniques really seem to marginalize the natural talents and size advantages of enormous offensive linemen.  In guessing on the numbers, but probably not far off on size of NFL OL over the last 7 decades :

1950s   6-1, 215

1960s   6-2  230

1970s   6-3  255

1980s   6-4  275

1990s   6-4.5  290

2000s   6-5  300

2010s   6-5.5  320

2015 -16-17   6-6   330

 

Maybe we have hit the peak and will start to see a reversal

I'd think a plateau is more likely than a reversal. Guys aren't going to get smaller, but yes, they are going to do less "straight ahead drive blocking" and much more angle blocking in space. RPOs, quick screens, and perimeter runs don't require the old school mentality. You will see more heavyweights playing basketball on grass and chasing down nickels and safeties instead of moving d-tackles into the linebackers' laps.

And--thanks to sport science, nutrition, and year-round conditioning--you will see those 6'6" 330 pounders of the 2020s moving better in space than the 6'3" 230 guys from the Lombardi era ever did.

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What many people don’t realize is how often the game adjusts and even repeats itself. When Lombardi was one of the 7 Blocks of Granite at Fordham, they were a zone blocking team. Frank Leahy was his line coach that taught it. Lombardi taught it when he was the OC at West Point. The drive blocking style will likely appear again. Trends come and go. Another fact is that skills trickle down. The offenses we see in high school today are part of what we were seeing on the college level years before. The hand fighting that you see now is coming from the NFL days of the 80’s. One of the authorities on the concept is Blaise Winter. While it looks different, the fact is that the drive blocking and bull rushing techniques are for guys that are larger and less athletic. So most linemen are more athletic in today’s game, even in high school. I would add that some of the video you posted shows players without pads, somthe focus is on footwork and the hand technique. 

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