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Muda69

Children who play football before age 12 show CTE-related symptoms much sooner

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18 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

Boy Scouts of America for one.  Last I checked scouting was a non-contact activity.  Is there a risk with canoeing, climbing,  shooting, etc.?  Yes there is.  But is the risk something that can come back and affect the child 20, 30, 40 years after they age out of the program?  

 

On the other hand, there is also a body of evidence that playing football through high school carries no measurable risk of cognitive issues later in life.  https://www.sbnation.com/2017/7/11/15952184/cte-study-wisconsin-high-school-football. Reported in the Journal of the AMA, which is a credible source.

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15 minutes ago, bobref said:

On the other hand, there is also a body of evidence that playing football through high school carries no measurable risk of cognitive issues later in life.  https://www.sbnation.com/2017/7/11/15952184/cte-study-wisconsin-high-school-football. Reported in the Journal of the AMA, which is a credible source.

*sigh*

Did you already respond to my response of that very study?

 

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On 5/4/2018 at 3:12 PM, Blue Racer said:

Apologizes. Not directed at you. Poor delivery on my part.

You're good sir, I know who you were going for.

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On 5/4/2018 at 9:43 PM, Coach Nowlin said:

 

You mean to tell me there are studies posted online about CTE and football Muda wasn't able to find?

 

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It's almost like those articles didn't support his conclusions . . . 

 

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2 hours ago, Muda69 said:

Boy Scouts of America for one.  Last I checked scouting was a non-contact activity.  Is there a risk with canoeing, climbing,  shooting, etc.?  Yes there is.  But is the risk something that can come back and affect the child 20, 30, 40 years after they age out of the program?   

 

 

I would venture a guess that some of the Scouts involved in the sex abuse scandals might take issue with that line of reasoning.

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34 minutes ago, foxbat said:

I would venture a guess that some of the Scouts involved in the sex abuse scandals might take issue with that line of reasoning.

So sex abuse = CTE?

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Can we also talk about sex abuse by Catholic Priests?  School teachers?  Coaches? 

 

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1 minute ago, Muda69 said:

So sex abuse = CTE?

Can we also talk about sex abuse by Catholic Priests?  School teachers?  Coaches? 

 

Classic Muda ... no one said that they are equal.  You argued that the BSA involvement didn't have risks that could be persistent years into the future and I merely pointed out that your reasoning was incomplete. 

Sure, you can talk about all of those things if you wish.  As many on this board have pointed out risk is everywhere in all things ... from going to school, to going to church, to being coached in sports, to driving cars, and just about everything else.  Also, as others have pointed out, it's a question of measuring and looking at those.

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17 minutes ago, foxbat said:

  You argued that the BSA involvement didn't have risks that could be persistent years into the future

I never said that.  I argued that CTE is probably not a risk inherent to involvement in the BSA.  At least not on the level of tackle football.

 

 

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36 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

I never said that.  I argued that CTE is probably not a risk inherent to involvement in the BSA.  At least not on the level of tackle football.

 

 

I played football and was a boy scout. If I had to go back several years, I would gladly do football again.  Major difference in leadership!!!

Just my experience.

 

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3 hours ago, bobref said:

On the other hand, there is also a body of evidence that playing football through high school carries no measurable risk of cognitive issues later in life.  https://www.sbnation.com/2017/7/11/15952184/cte-study-wisconsin-high-school-football. Reported in the Journal of the AMA, which is a credible source.

Muda has issues with that study, because the subjects were HS football players in 1957.  

I would surmise the original study of this post, from Annals of Neurology, would have similar sample problems.  I cannot find the full article as it has been accepted for publication, but not yet published in other than abstract form.  The full article should be available in about a month or two when published.  It might be available sooner, but that would require me talking to the school librarian, and frankly, the old bird scares me.

I did spend some time Saturday reading similar articles, especially about the age 12 issue.  One study I found concluded that age 12 was a cut-off point for the likelihood and severity of CTE, but its subjects were brains donated in Florida between 1997-2007.  These were 2,000+ donated brains of individuals who were a median age of 65 at death.  So if they were on average 65 at death, and that was in the late 1990s and early 2000s, when would they have been playing HS football?

Point being, if you will give credit to studies who examined players who showed CTE for exposure prior to age 12, you cannot then DISCREDIT the Wisconsin study above who examined players from 1957 on that issue alone.

Both studies have the same questions of generalizability.  

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Do children who play tackle football experience concussions?

 

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15 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

Do children who play tackle football experience concussions?

 

Yes people do, but so do people who read your crap too. My brain hurts. Bye!

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2 hours ago, Muda69 said:

Do children who play tackle football experience concussions?

 

Do boy scouts ever experience concussions? Camp fire burns? Cut, bruises, or other scrapes?? 

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20 minutes ago, Blue Racer said:

Do boy scouts ever experience concussions? Camp fire burns? Cut, bruises, or other scrapes?? 

Do camp fire burns, bruises, and other scrapes cause a degenerative brain disease that cause memory loss, confusion, impaired judgment, impulse control problems, aggression, depression, suicidality, parkinsonism, and eventually progressive dementia?

 

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1 hour ago, Muda69 said:

Do camp fire burns, bruises, and other scrapes cause a degenerative brain disease that cause memory loss, confusion, impaired judgment, impulse control problems, aggression, depression, suicidality, parkinsonism, and eventually progressive dementia?

 

Video games do

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5 hours ago, Muda69 said:

Do camp fire burns, bruises, and other scrapes cause a degenerative brain disease that cause memory loss, confusion, impaired judgment, impulse control problems, aggression, depression, suicidality, parkinsonism, and eventually progressive dementia?

 

......and premature death!

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13 hours ago, Gonzoron said:

Video games do

Citation please.

 

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41 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

Citation please.

 

i had brain a hemorrhage playing my kids in video games one night....still standing.

Next day,  drove them to school singing Marty Robbin's "Big Iron"  

Does that count?

Edit...think I had a kidney stone too.  Video games are just terrible.

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3 hours ago, Lysander said:

i had brain a hemorrhage playing my kids in video games one night....still standing.

Next day,  drove them to school singing Marty Robbin's "Big Iron"  

Does that count?

Edit...think I had a kidney stone too.  Video games are just terrible.

Can't help you with the brain hemorrhage, but this'll help with the kidney stones.

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On 5/7/2018 at 8:27 AM, Muda69 said:

Boy Scouts of America for one.  Last I checked scouting was a non-contact activity.  Is there a risk with canoeing, climbing,  shooting, etc.?  Yes there is.  But is the risk something that can come back and affect the child 20, 30, 40 years after they age out of the program?   

Yes, I have.   Have you?

 

No I didn't stop my children when of age to drive automobiles.  I think its important they become as proficient as they can with driving, arguably the riskiest thing that 2 of the 3 of our children will ever do.  We also allowed them to play football, soccer, basketball, baseball, ride bicycles, etc.  

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23 minutes ago, Trojan Dad said:

No I didn't stop my children when of age to drive automobiles.

So you let your children operate a motor vehicle when they were under the influence of some mind altering substance, like alcohol?   And you willingly allowed them to ride in a vehicle that was being operated by an individual under the the influence of a mind altering substance?

 

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8 hours ago, Muda69 said:

Citation please.

 

You too lazy to search?

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15 hours ago, Muda69 said:

So you let your children operate a motor vehicle when they were under the influence of some mind altering substance, like alcohol?   And you willingly allowed them to ride in a vehicle that was being operated by an individual under the the influence of a mind altering substance?

 

How in the world did your brain allow you to come to this conclusion????  

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