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Jack Kiser Commits to Notre Dame

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By all accounts, a true student athlete. He will be very successful at Notre Dame.

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Saw this young man play in back to back state title games.  You could see a big difference between his junior and senior year.  Although I am not an Irish fan, I wish him great success in his career.

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3 hours ago, CharlieTweeder said:

Might get to see him in back to back to back state title games

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Very possible.  Nick Zackery played in 4 while at Sheridan unless I am mistaken.

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1 hour ago, itiswhatitis said:

Very possible.  Nick Zackery played in 4 while at Sheridan unless I am mistaken.

He did. Went 3-1, I believe.

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22 hours ago, bobref said:

He did. Went 3-1, I believe.

That is correct. He was quarterback for the state championship teams his Freshman, Sophomore and Junior years and runner-up to Ritter his Senior year.

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If im not mistaken Jerimy Finch From warren central was the first football player to ever play in and win 4 straight state championships. 

 

Congrats to Mr. Kiser.

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This is an interesting signing for the Irish based solely on their overall recruiting philosophy and their approach to Indiana talent

On paper, Kiser would not normally be a target for ND. First, he is a 3 star recruit, and only the 10th ranked player in Indiana. ND normally picks off Top 3 Indiana players only, if they even bother to recruit the state.  Also, he is a small school player, which is a rare target for the ND staff.  

Kiser looks like a tweener from a size perspective, which could be problematic.   Reminds me of Gelen Robinson from Lake Central who went to Purdue.   Great athlete, great high school career, but a size misfit at the hi D1 level. Kiser looks too small to be an impact D1 linebacker.   Does he have the athleticism to play on the outside?    Is he an NFL type strong safety?   

Can Kiser compete against 4 star talent that he will see in camp everyday on the ND roster? That will be interesting to watch.  

 

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38 minutes ago, DrivenT said:

This is an interesting signing for the Irish based solely on their overall recruiting philosophy and their approach to Indiana talent

On paper, Kiser would not normally be a target for ND. First, he is a 3 star recruit, and only the 10th ranked player in Indiana. ND normally picks off Top 3 Indiana players only, if they even bother to recruit the state.  Also, he is a small school player, which is a rare target for the ND staff.  

Kiser looks like a tweener from a size perspective, which could be problematic.   Reminds me of Gelen Robinson from Lake Central who went to Purdue.   Great athlete, great high school career, but a size misfit at the hi D1 level. Kiser looks too small to be an impact D1 linebacker.   Does he have the athleticism to play on the outside?    Is he an NFL type strong safety?   

Can Kiser compete against 4 star talent that he will see in camp everyday on the ND roster? That will be interesting to watch.  

 

I don’t pretend to have any inside knowledge or insight into the ND recruiting mentality. But IMO there are “intangibles” at play here, too. This kid is #1 in his class academically, and is the acknowledged leader on a state championship team. I would like to believe it’s not always all about the measurables.

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4 hours ago, bobref said:

I don’t pretend to have any inside knowledge or insight into the ND recruiting mentality. But IMO there are “intangibles” at play here, too. This kid is #1 in his class academically, and is the acknowledged leader on a state championship team. I would like to believe it’s not always all about the measurables.

Agree Bobref. Kiser has great leadership qualities, and you've got to love his academic profile and high character. On the other hand, this is a Brian Kelly recruit. Kelly has not typically chased after this type of recruit in the past. Will be fun to watch it all play out. 

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12 minutes ago, DrivenT said:

Agree Bobref. Kiser has great leadership qualities, and you've got to love his academic profile and high character. On the other hand, this is a Brian Kelly recruit. Kelly has not typically chased after this type of recruit in the past. Will be fun to watch it all play out. 

Let’s not forget that several of Kelly’s high profile recent recruits have “ not worked out” character-wise. Perhaps the word came down from above ... or maybe he can still learn from his mistakes.

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6'2 214 starting senior season

Might look at what ND has picked up and recruited last few years.  Definitely targeted guys just like him, actually smaller coming out of hs. 

People post like Kiser recruited ND

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I get the small school thing, but kiser has never backed away from competition. Hence his play with Indy Select team playing around the country. Big Miami tournament this winter The Miami Herald wrote story on best 11 players they saw there. Kiser was #8. 

We'll see...

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9 hours ago, DrivenT said:

This is an interesting signing for the Irish based solely on their overall recruiting philosophy and their approach to Indiana talent

On paper, Kiser would not normally be a target for ND. First, he is a 3 star recruit, and only the 10th ranked player in Indiana. ND normally picks off Top 3 Indiana players only, if they even bother to recruit the state.  Also, he is a small school player, which is a rare target for the ND staff.  

Kiser looks like a tweener from a size perspective, which could be problematic.   Reminds me of Gelen Robinson from Lake Central who went to Purdue.   Great athlete, great high school career, but a size misfit at the hi D1 level. Kiser looks too small to be an impact D1 linebacker.   Does he have the athleticism to play on the outside?    Is he an NFL type strong safety?   

Can Kiser compete against 4 star talent that he will see in camp everyday on the ND roster? That will be interesting to watch.  

 

He reminds me of a Tranquil(sp) type of player. I love how he's played for the Irish. Perhaps young Kizer can follow suit.

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14 hours ago, CharlieTweeder said:

6'2 214 starting senior season

Might look at what ND has picked up and recruited last few years.  Definitely targeted guys just like him, actually smaller coming out of hs. 

People post like Kiser recruited ND

:04_v:

I get the small school thing, but kiser has never backed away from competition. Hence his play with Indy Select team playing around the country. Big Miami tournament this winter The Miami Herald wrote story on best 11 players they saw there. Kiser was #8. 

We'll see...

Can you link the article?  Or even the title?  Would love to read that.

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On ‎7‎/‎1‎/‎2018 at 7:16 AM, DrivenT said:

This is an interesting signing for the Irish based solely on their overall recruiting philosophy and their approach to Indiana talent

On paper, Kiser would not normally be a target for ND. First, he is a 3 star recruit, and only the 10th ranked player in Indiana. ND normally picks off Top 3 Indiana players only, if they even bother to recruit the state.  Also, he is a small school player, which is a rare target for the ND staff.  

Kiser looks like a tweener from a size perspective, which could be problematic.   Reminds me of Gelen Robinson from Lake Central who went to Purdue.   Great athlete, great high school career, but a size misfit at the hi D1 level. Kiser looks too small to be an impact D1 linebacker.   Does he have the athleticism to play on the outside?    Is he an NFL type strong safety?   

Can Kiser compete against 4 star talent that he will see in camp everyday on the ND roster? That will be interesting to watch.  

 

I think ND sees Kiser as a Dru Tranquil type of player...

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Having seen the kid in person twice and a couple more times on video I will say he at the very least will be a high level special teams contributor and a great practice/locker room guy for Notre Dame. At the very least! He is the type of guy that successful teams have on their roster and even if he doesn't play a down of meaningful defensive football in his career (which I wouldn't bet on being the case) he will still be successful there and will excel in whatever role he has and as a student.

Out of curiosity, how many 1A level guys have signed scholly's with big time schools like Notre Dame or other power 5 level teams? I know someone mentioned Nick Zachery above, I believe he was a preferred walk-on at IU and didn't play for more than a season or so? Just curious as to how many of these "small school" guys actually get a shot at the big time.

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1 hour ago, FishDuck said:

Having seen the kid in person twice and a couple more times on video I will say he at the very least will be a high level special teams contributor and a great practice/locker room guy for Notre Dame. At the very least! He is the type of guy that successful teams have on their roster and even if he doesn't play a down of meaningful defensive football in his career (which I wouldn't bet on being the case) he will still be successful there and will excel in whatever role he has and as a student.

Out of curiosity, how many 1A level guys have signed scholly's with big time schools like Notre Dame or other power 5 level teams? I know someone mentioned Nick Zachery above, I believe he was a preferred walk-on at IU and didn't play for more than a season or so? Just curious as to how many of these "small school" guys actually get a shot at the big time.

I totally agree.  The HNAC is one thing, FBS (and ND's schedule, etc.) is another.  I wish Jack well, but things will become much more difficult.

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Don't think for a second that Jack doesn't realize his decision is perhaps the most challenging of the options he had, but he's never been one to shy away from taking them head on.

If you want some insight on why Notre Dame defensive coordinator and linebacker coach Clark Lea pursued Jack so highly, consider the answers to his recent interview with Blue&Gold.

BGI: How important was it for the development of Jack Lamb, Bo Bauer and Ovie Oghoufo to enroll early?

Lea: “The benefit of early enrolling no matter the position [is vital], but certainly at linebacker, where I think college linebacker and high school linebacker are just two totally different worlds.

“And we recruit guys that need, intentionally, I’m not looking for linebackers that are 240 pounds right now. I don’t know if that bodes well for what the position is asked to do. I want guys that have good frames that we can add weight onto while they are here.

“So you take athletic ability and you’re adding some muscle to it, and to me you have a modern day linebacker that way. For those guys, to come in early and to get in the strength program in winter and experience that shock, and to go through a spring, and for those kids they got valuable repetition. It’s incredible how much they were in there, and they screwed it up royally sometimes.

“They’ll enter the fall in a different conversation because I consider them to be veteran players now, not rookies.”

BGI: Looking at the Buck and the Mike. What are the traits you look for at those positions, and how are they different, if they are different?

Lea: “Those are pretty interchangeable. I’ve had success in cross-training those two and having guys play both effectively in the same game.

“The Buck is going to be a little more, there are going to be more times when he is responsible for two vertical weak. There’s a little more of a coverage component there. We ask a little more of that position athletically in coverage.

“I would argue spatially the Mike position is exposed more than the Buck these days because you see as much three removed [to the field] as two removed [to the boundary].

“When you remove the Buck in an apex position in the boundary you’re still in the boundary, so you’re protected. There’s a lot of space out there [for the Mike]. We want the ability to cover spaces, to have length. At the Mike position the length to elevate dig [routes] as I zone off, those things are important.

“If you’re 6-1 but have length like you are 6-4, so we do a lot with arm length and hand size. Arm length as a mechanism for tackling … I can train movement efficiency all I want, it’s never going to be perfect at the point of attack, but if I have 32-plus inch arms my ability to use that leverage to bring the ball down. It’s amazing how long players are better tacklers.

“It’s a game of movement, so I’m not necessarily 40-yard dash obsessed, but you want to see explosive power. You want to see short space acceleration, you want to see speed transition; those are things that we put a high priority on in evaluating those spots.

“… In a perfect world, you’re recruiting Rover skill sets that you can project adding 20-30 pounds on and playing them in the box. You kind of want to put the film on and see a familiar frame and body. In a perfect world, those guys would have equal skill sets.

“When you have a 6-1 plus, 230-pound plus player that is athletic and explosive, you have the flexibility to move him around a little bit.

“We want to be a developmental program. We can’t make compromises on things that don’t fit Notre Dame, so that supersedes everything we do. Plus, the fabric of a champion doesn’t change too much. The majority of our players need to be driven towards, and not just speak it but in action.

“That’s a competitive advantage Notre Dame can have because we recruit special people … They’re long, athletic and maybe short 15-20 pounds. I will defer to Coach [Matt] Balis, when he meets with them on recruiting visits, so I’ll ask what do you think of the frame, and if he gives the green light to say we can do it, and if the guy is willing to work for it.

“… What we don’t want to compromise on is length, athleticism and range.”

 
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Additionally, in regards to the HNAC, no offense but that has never been the measuring stick for Jack.  He has always sought out higher levels of competition since he was in 6th grade via travel ball, camps, clinics, etc.  It was obvious then that those kids he played against in 7th and 8th grade would be the best competition he would see in pads until AFTER high school when he played for Team Indiana against South Florida in the FBU Final Four in Naples, Florida.  Every back on their roster already had multiple SEC offers in junior high.  And those kids have continued to develop and dominate, many are top 5-8 recruits in the country.

Last, when you are a linebacker and you go to South Beach to play 7v7 with Indy Select against 30+ elite teams from across the nation and actually make a recruiting blog and one of 15 kids noted, you must be doing something right that would give you the possibility of developing further.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/college-football-recruiting/2018/3/13/17109142/2019-recruiting-florida-state-miami-receiver-cornerback

I know Charlie Tweeter argued way back when that ND may not be the biggest challenge of the options Jack had, considering Michigan State has a top 5 ranked defense coming back this fall.  But I think as a total package academically and athletically, ND offers the biggest challenge as well as biggest reward.  Go Irish!

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Wow, terrific insight Takkle, appreciate it

Those coach Lea quotes definitely show why they were high on JK.  

 

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Jack Kiser reminds me a lot of kid named Josh Smith out of Attica High School I believe around 2000 who went on to an outstanding career at the Naval Academy.  As a Freshman he was a non factor often sent to the side fields during practice but was noticed by the coaches and as a sophomore was Navy's leading tacker I believe.  Who know what the bell tolls for Jack.  I wish him well his Sr year at Pioneer and then worry about Notre Dame...

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The Kiser profile reminds me of another undersized D1 LB recruit.   I was living in Enid, Oklahoma in the mid 2000s when Austin Box was coming up for the Enid Plainsmen. I remember watching practice and seeing how Box , at 210lbs was so superior athletically to everyone else on the field. He played both ways, LB and QB. Box earned his D1 scholarship to Oklahoma and grew into a 235 LB backer with great speed who could cover huge swaths of the field. Box tragically got hurt and died of an overdose of painkillers after his sophomore season at OU

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