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Because it’s overblown.  

 

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3 minutes ago, Coach_G said:

Because it’s overblown.  

 

I see.  That's understandable.  I think those on the inside just don't see it coming quite as fast.  

Everything looks great from an Indy POV.  But Indy is just 30% of the state's population.  

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Others can add and subtract to this list--and I'm too lazy to look these schools up to confirm, but:

Indiana schools in the last 50 years that have dropped football: 2 total--Hamilton ('80's), Morristown (added & dropped in the 80's)----Hanover Central (70's dropped, now readded), Scottsburg (70's dropped, now readded)

Indiana schools that have added football in the last 20 years: 20 total--Anderson Prep, Boone Grove, Bowman, Covenant Christian, Crawford County, Eastern Greene, Eastern Pekin, Guerin, Heritage Christian, Lutheran, Tindley, Lighthouse East, Monroe Central, Oldenburg, Rock Creek, Silver Creek, Switzerland County, Traders Point, Trinity Lutheran, Wheeler----Scottsburg and Hanover make 22 if you want to count them. 25 if you want Attucks, Shortridge, and Washington, but those may not be fair since they closed and have added football since re-opening.

 

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29 minutes ago, Stoner said:

Others can add and subtract to this list--and I'm too lazy to look these schools up to confirm, but:

Indiana schools in the last 50 years that have dropped football: 2 total--Hamilton ('80's), Morristown (added & dropped in the 80's)----Hanover Central (70's dropped, now readded), Scottsburg (70's dropped, now readded)

Indiana schools that have added football in the last 20 years: 20 total--Anderson Prep, Boone Grove, Bowman, Covenant Christian, Crawford County, Eastern Greene, Eastern Pekin, Guerin, Heritage Christian, Lutheran, Tindley, Lighthouse East, Monroe Central, Oldenburg, Rock Creek, Silver Creek, Switzerland County, Traders Point, Trinity Lutheran, Wheeler----Scottsburg and Hanover make 22 if you want to count them. 25 if you want Attucks, Shortridge, and Washington, but those may not be fair since they closed and have added football since re-opening.

 

I thought IPS just shut down a handful of programs :

Arlington

Broad Ripple

Northwest

Gary, Hammond and South Bend have all lost programs

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5 minutes ago, DrivenT said:

I thought IPS just shut down a handful of programs :

Arlington

Broad Ripple

Northwest

Gary, Hammond and South Bend have all lost programs

The schools closed. 

Odd way to look at "we dropped football"

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1 hour ago, Stoner said:

The schools closed. 

Odd way to look at "we dropped football"

A program lost is a program lost.  If we are going to count all the programs added at new schools, we should count those lost at closed or consolidated schools.

Fair?

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9 minutes ago, DrivenT said:

A program lost is a program lost.  If we are going to count all the programs added at new schools, we should count those lost at closed or consolidated schools.

Fair?

I think I've got this straight. Schools are now closing due to a lack of interest in their football program. For those who consolidate, a football program just isn't worth all the bother.

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1 hour ago, DrivenT said:

A program lost is a program lost.  If we are going to count all the programs added at new schools, we should count those lost at closed or consolidated schools.

Fair?

Uhmm, no, it isn't.

A defunct school has no choice. They can't play football. See Spot Run.

An existing school has a choice--football, or no football. Two in 50 years have dropped football permanently to this point--and both dropped 35, 40 years ago.

I didn't include Fishers or Parke Heritage as "adding" football--that's gilding things a bit.

But 10 of the schools on the add list are old schools--Boone, Crawford Co, Eastern Greene, Eastern Pekin, Hanover, Monroe Cnt, Scottsburg, Silver Creek, Switz, and Wheeler. And all added football the last 20 years, most much more recently than that. The others are newer schools, or in a few cases newer to IHSAA play. If football was on such a downward spiral, I doubt they would have done that.

 

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1 hour ago, Gonzoron said:

I think I've got this straight. Schools are now closing due to a lack of interest in their football program. For those who consolidate, a football program just isn't worth all the bother.

You nailed it dude

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Contraction has not hit Indiana yet. Many programs are on the cusp. I would like to see a downsizing of the game at the varsity level,primarily for competitive reasons

Poor coaching, and a lack of interested and qualified candidates, is another major factor

Fewer teams playing, with higher standards and better coaching will result in a significant improvement in overall quality of play.  

There are many schools who would love to drop football but don't for a variety of reasons. It's coming. 

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Approximately  a decade ago Rossville residents tried to start a varsity level football program and failed.  The soccer program is slowly gaining in popularity however.

 

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A rather interesting take on the Big Four sports from a more holistic viewpoint.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/recruiting-insider/wp/2017/09/06/youth-sports-study-declining-participation-rising-costs-and-unqualified-coaches/?utm_term=.407de34dffbb

FTA:

Between skyrocketing costs, sport specialization and coaches needing training, youth sports is in the midst of a crisis, according to new data published Wednesday by the Sports & Fitness Industry Association and the Aspen Institute.

Athletic participation for kids ages 6 through 12 is down almost 8 percent over the last decade, according to SFIA and Aspen data, and children from low-income households are half as likely to play one day’s worth of team sports than children from households earning at least $100,000.

“Sports in America have separated into sport-haves and have-nots,” said Tom Farrey, executive director of Aspen’s Sports & Society program. The group released its research at its annual Project Play Summit on Wednesday in Washington. “All that matters is if kids come from a family that has resources. If you don’t have money, it’s hard to play.”

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That has caused major losses for the “big four” American youth sports: baseball, basketball, soccer and football (both tackle and flag). Those four sports have suffered the most severe losses of any of the 15 team sports SFIA and Aspen surveyed.

The only sports that saw growth over the past eight years were golf, gymnastics, ice hockey and track and field.

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“There’s been this presumption that youth sports are exploding in this country and private clubs and trainers will pick up the slack,” Farrey said. “For kids with resources, they have. But families without resources are getting left behind.”

And those travel teams and private skills coaches can also drive up costs for traditional rec leagues, experts say.

Teams are in a constant fight for practice space, especially in urban areas, and affluent leagues often outbid rec leagues for use of the best fields in the most convenient locations, said former San Antonio mayor Ed Garza, now the president of the Urban Soccer Leadership Academy.

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And look at that, the last four years Football is virtually stable.  Shocker 😀

As I’ve said...overblown. 

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14 minutes ago, Coach_G said:

And look at that, the last four years Football is virtually stable.  Shocker 😀

As I’ve said...overblown. 

My guess is that in those other sports, you've seen more of the influence of club/travel ... not so much with football.  While there is some club football, it's not nearly as common as travel/club baseball, soccer, and basketball.  As much as folks talk about the demographic moves toward soccer, it is one that had the largest drop of the Big Four in this particular study. 

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On 7/2/2018 at 3:00 PM, foxbat said:

“Sports in America have separated into sport-haves and have-nots,” said Tom Farrey, executive director of Aspen’s Sports & Society program. The group released its research at its annual Project Play Summit on Wednesday in Washington. “All that matters is if kids come from a family that has resources. If you don’t have money, it’s hard to play.”

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Frankfort is the perfect case study.  

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