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Doyel: Bob Knight's middle finger to Indiana act getting old

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http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/columnists/gregg-doyel/2016/11/01/doyel-bob-knights-middle-finger-indiana-act-getting-old/93065422/

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Indiana wants to love Bob Knight. This state is just waiting for an excuse to forgive and forget and embrace the forever coach of IU basketball.

But he’s not giving it. Perhaps he won’t ever give it. Possibly he’s not wired to do so, because an extension of even the smallest of olive branches requires humility and humanity that Knight hasn’t been willing to show. He is a private man, and he is a stubborn man, and he is an angry man.

And so we wait.

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The cult of Knight is powerful, is the point, but time has weakened its hold over the state. He has spent that time extending a middle finger to IU and, by extension, the IU fans who loved him unconditionally.

Knight first began to raise his hand in their direction when he snubbed his own induction ceremony into the IU Hall of Fame in 2009, and higher it went in 2014 when he ignored A.J. Guyton’s public plea to attend Guyton’s own induction into the IU hall. The finger was pointing skyward – You’re not No. 1 – in January when Knight didn’t return for the 40th anniversary celebration of his perfect 1976 national champion team.

He didn’t respond to the invitation.

Five weeks after that, Knight put to rest questions of his ability to travel when he returned to Indiana to appear at a fundraiser … for Purdue. By joking alongside Gene Keady and posing for pictures with Purdue fans at the Famous Purdue Agriculture Fish Fry at the State Fairgrounds, Knight was raising that finger ever higher and slowly spinning toward all four corners of this state, making it clear to you folks in Milan, Evansville, Gary, Fort Wayne and everywhere in between what he thinks of your school.

But you’ll forgive that. You’ll forgive it all, even his most recent appearance with Donald Trump in Michigan, when he teased the crowd Monday by noting "we beat your ass most every time we played you" – referring not to Indiana, but his alma mater Ohio State – if only he’d show a little affection for the school, players and fan base that launched his Hall of Fame coaching career. Just show IU, and IU fans, that they're not dead to him. That’s all it would take. Return to campus one time. Let this fan base, this state, love him one last time.

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Anybody believe that this will every happen, that Mr. Knight's heart will soften toward IU and this state?

 

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Grew up an IU fan because of Coach Knight, as a youngster, for some reason I just gravitated to his style of coaching and of course his teams won.  Maybe my Dad and older brother being PU folks I was trying to be different, I don't know, but I always rooted for them until I became older and wiser and boilermaker blood came to the surface.  To this day though, I still find Coach Knight a polarizing individual and would love for him to be remembered at IU for his contributions eventually and have that 1 final bow.  But maybe his final bow was this........

 

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While I understand he left on bad terms at IU, there was a reason for that. More and more reports have come out about his abusive behavior towards players. Punching players in the top of the head, grabbing their you know whats, breaking clipboards on players from hitting them so hard is a good way of getting yourself fired. While I've been a lifelong IU fan that would definitely embrace Knight's return, he needs to sit down and realize that he was in the wrong. But to be honest, I don't think he ever will. Knight is too stubborn to admit his own mistakes. 

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53 minutes ago, braaadly said:

While I understand he left on bad terms at IU, there was a reason for that. More and more reports have come out about his abusive behavior towards players. Punching players in the top of the head, grabbing their you know whats, breaking clipboards on players from hitting them so hard is a good way of getting yourself fired. While I've been a lifelong IU fan that would definitely embrace Knight's return, he needs to sit down and realize that he was in the wrong. But to be honest, I don't think he ever will. Knight is too stubborn to admit his own mistakes. 

 

I agree. I've never been a huge fan of IU or Bob Knight. He's definitely one of the best coaches of all time, but being good at a job doesn't make you a good person.

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Another commentary about Mr. Knight along these lines:  John Feinstein: Bob Knight wants the last word on everything. Why do we bother listening? - http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/indiana/2017/03/23/john-feinstein-bob-knight-wants-last-word-everything-why-do-we-bother-listening/99527666/

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Twelve days ago, shortly after his team had pulled out a draining and dramatic overtime win over Penn in the semifinals of the inaugural Ivy League basketball tournament, Princeton Coach Mitch Henderson walked into the back of the interview room. He was standing in a corner, waiting to be called to the podium, when he caught my eye.

I waved and mouthed, "Congratulations." He nodded, then urgently waved me over. I couldn't imagine what he wanted to tell me, but thought he might want to share something that would help my column.

I walked over and we shook hands.

"So what's the deal with your guy Knight?" he asked.

A little more than 24 hours earlier, Bob Knight had told Dan Patrick during a radio interview that he wished all the people who had been in charge at Indiana when he was fired had died or would die soon.

I had been asked the same question countless times already and I've been asked it over and over again in the days since.

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The court at Assembly Hall should have his name on it. He should return there to the cheers of the multitudes. He should be enjoying everything he accomplished in coaching and reveling in the relationships he built during that time.

Instead, he goes on the radio and wishes people dead. He can't help himself. He's still trying to have the last word when the last word came and went for him years ago.

All of which is almost unbearably sad for anyone whose life he touched - mine among them. Many will say, 'It's just Knight being Knight,' in response to anything he says or does.

That is the saddest thing of all.

I agree with Mr. Feinstein.

 

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Robert Montgomery Knight will forever be the greatest man to set foot in our state!  The General will NEVER return to Assembly Hall, as much as I would like to see it. He is physically incapable of it just like he is incapable of controlling his temper. It is part of the fabric of the man himself. 

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Hes actually been back to Assembly Hall on multiple ocassions, just not public events

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Huge fan of Tecumseh, great American guerrilla fighter!

Sorry coach G, wasn't aware of Coach Knight's private visits to Assembly Hall. This discussion is about his lack of participation in IU Basketball events as a public figure and great former coach of the program. To my knowledge, he has not appeared at Assembly Hall in that capacity.

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On ‎11‎/‎1‎/‎2016 at 10:34 PM, MarshallCounty said:

I liked him as a kid, but as I get older, I realize he is a very petty man.

Couldn't agree more.

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I have no problem with knight . The iu athletic admins have killed iu basketball . There are still some like myself clinging to the hoosiers of a bygone era  and it is painful to watch an inept administration and coach after coach who most of us old hat iu fans could do as well as. The coaches they bring in nowadays just painful to watch .  Go ahead tell me how in a few years archie will have the hoosiers in the sweet 16 yea yea rah rah and watch them be humiliated like crean was each time he made it . Sad thing from my perspective is that the fanbase and excitement for hoosier basketball has  still been alive and well since knight left  but slowly and surely is  being put to the sword. People don't realize how irrelevant iu basketball really is   Knight says it well in the interview with Joe Buck . There were enough people there (iu admins) that were tired of basketball being the guiding light of the university.  Why kill a good thing  . 

 

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On 3/6/2018 at 2:23 PM, MuleDriver said:

I have no problem with knight . The iu athletic admins have killed iu basketball . There are still some like myself clinging to the hoosiers of a bygone era  and it is painful to watch an inept administration and coach after coach who most of us old hat iu fans could do as well as. The coaches they bring in nowadays just painful to watch .  Go ahead tell me how in a few years archie will have the hoosiers in the sweet 16 yea yea rah rah and watch them be humiliated like crean was each time he made it . Sad thing from my perspective is that the fanbase and excitement for hoosier basketball has  still been alive and well since knight left  but slowly and surely is  being put to the sword. People don't realize how irrelevant iu basketball really is   Knight says it well in the interview with Joe Buck . There were enough people there (iu admins) that were tired of basketball being the guiding light of the university.  Why kill a good thing  . 

 

You do realize that Bob Knights last game as HC at Indiana University was a 20 point loss in the NCAA Tournament to Pepperdine? Point is and always will be people love the rough and tough A*hole act as long as your winning BUT start to lose and the antics really get tiresome even more so when you haven't coached or been associated with the University in almost 20 years............

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1 hour ago, EasyEJay said:

You do realize that Bob Knights last game as HC at Indiana University was a 20 point loss in the NCAA Tournament to Pepperdine? Point is and always will be people love the rough and tough A*hole act as long as your winning BUT start to lose and the antics really get tiresome even more so when you haven't coached or been associated with the University in almost 20 years............

Did you catch any interview after he was fired? Jeremy Schaap interview explains a lot.  Knights last handful of years was bad for probably a variety of reasons . He explains he had thought of leaving several years before he was fired. He talks about a rift in the administration . So the fact he wasn't doing as well as the previous 25 years on the court may reflect what was happening in the administration and his  not being happy with the university .  So people that bring up the pepperdine loss and lack of post season success near the end of his career at iu are trying to spin the situation how they want so they can   call knight an a hole . Great you have come far in life but doubtful you will ever succeed even close to the success that knight had in your respective field.    

 The administration is still just above being worthless. I cringe every time Fred Glass invites a championship team back to have a ceremony and stands front and center stealing their glory as if he was the reason they succeeded in the first place .      

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2 hours ago, MuleDriver said:

 

Did you catch any interview after he was fired? Jeremy Schaap interview explains a lot.  Knights last handful of years was bad for probably a variety of reasons . He explains he had thought of leaving several years before he was fired. He talks about a rift in the administration . So the fact he wasn't doing as well as the previous 25 years on the court may reflect what was happening in the administration and his  not being happy with the university .  So people that bring up the pepperdine loss and lack of post season success near the end of his career at iu are trying to spin the situation how they want so they can   call knight an a hole . Great you have come far in life but doubtful you will ever succeed even close to the success that knight had in your respective field.    

 The administration is still just above being worthless. I cringe every time Fred Glass invites a championship team back to have a ceremony and stands front and center stealing their glory as if he was the reason they succeeded in the first place .      

WOW what are articulate and passionate response in defense of a person that has never meant you or doesn't know you exist is moving and the last sentence of your statement is totally true however I don't do is demand respect and admiration for success and ignorance and blind eyes for mistakes I make because I hold myself in higher regard than Bob Knight did and still does. To pin point everything wrong with IU basketball in the late 90s solely on the Admin bugging Bob Knight is the most *Deleted*ic hard-core fanboy interpretation of the events and continues to baffle me...... point is if I had a coach regardless of wins that continued to verbally and PHYSICALLY abuse his players then ya its probable I would bother him quiet a bit. Over the course of my Middle School, High School, and College Careers I had hard-a** coaches that ripped me up one side and down the other and more than got the message across to me that I needed to work harder and be better and I think them for that every single day but I never had a coach lay a finger on me not even a situation where it could be taken out of context! Including my father who was my middle school and High Coach! 

You talk and praise Bob Knight for being a no excuses tough guy get it done at all cost, but then point to the fact that he wasn't getting along with Admin and was thinking about quitting......Doesn't that contradict everything you worship about him? I remember many times in my childhood where I would say to my father "Thats not fair!" every.single.time. his response? "Life is not fair!" How many of us in all professions end up working for someone we don't like or agree with? Why is Bob Knight allowed to hang his lack of success on Admin? yes his way worked in the 70s and 80s but all professions grow and change and you must too and Bob Knight refused to do that, but one last success he clearly had and thats the influence over Coach K. The reason Duke is still winning titles and and going to Final Fours? He learned that College Basketball like all walks of life changes and so must you and they way you do things and he better do things differently than what Coach Knight did! Hope you taught that to you your kids gonna take a guess there names are (Robert or Bobby or Montgomery?). Hope you enjoy spending all your expendable income watching a bitter, sad, old man speak twice a year. 

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 You bring up the reasons Duke is still winning . I and bob knight brought up the reasons IU is not still winning.   Time and time again we hear coaches say i could not have done this without the support of our athletic administration. It has been clear to me and most of the iu fanbase that the administration has been a circus since knight departed.  And knight says well before he departed. As far as laying his fingers on players , i mean you would cease to believe what the military did to recruits at one point in time.  And what knight did to his players was by no means close to what happened in military at times. The worst thing i think he did was head butt sherron wilkerson . Neil reed choking incident was a fiasco . And like knight said in the video above at one time or another he is sure  grabbed a lot of kids . Lets be clear these were not  high school or middle school boys .   As far as i know there arent many former players that are coming forward with horror stories and how they are now scarred for life.  And the few that did come forth with a thing or two were refuted by some of their teammates as being false .  

2 hours ago, EasyEJay said:

a bitter, sad, old man speak twice a year. 

I have no inclination to believe knight is sad or bitter. Disappointed &  done with iu yes.

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16 hours ago, MuleDriver said:

It has been clear to me and most of the iu fanbase that the administration has been a circus since knight departed. 

I'm not saying this Admin hasn't made poor choices in any number of decisions especially the hiring of coaches (I.e. Davis, Sampson,Crean) but ultimately I don't pin lack of success game to game on them and neither should Bob Knight that a pretty poor excuse 

 

16 hours ago, MuleDriver said:

As far as laying his fingers on players , i mean you would cease to believe what the military did to recruits at one point in time. 

Yes college basketball and the military, as interchangeable as it gets especially in what young men need to be prepared for...... wow outstanding smdh! I think some saying about apples and oranges applies here.

 

16 hours ago, MuleDriver said:

done with iu yes.

No way and never will be......... he wouldn't continue to come back to every venue with in 100 square miles of Assembly Hall, and comment on everything IU does. Especially considering irrational fanboys like yourself would drives days to see him spew the same lines and stories that he clinks too, so he can stay somewhat relevant!

You guys better hope that any IU coach has the same or less success as of late because if any coach ever does win a National Title at IU then every generation of IU fans after won't even know who that guy is and it will be no ones fault but Bob Knight period.  Your right former players love Bob Knight and why wouldn't they? Whats sad is that he lets some 25 year old feud with the admin stop him from celebrating accomplishments with those guys. That's why you coach and its an insult to those players who put in all those blood, sweat and tears for him so yes he's bitter and sad every piece of merchandise he "Donates" aka sells and every reunion he refuses to go to shows what those players really mean to him which isn't much! One left to describe Bob Knight hypocrite 

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Clearly you are scarred from Bob Knights behavior.    Facts are he will always be a legend. Iu should hang a banner just for him, they named the court at assembly hall after branch mccraken who only won 2 ncaa titles. Bob should have the building named after him. 'Bob Knight Arena ' . Sounds good to me. 

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Bob Knight: yesterday's news...

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