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Should 2100 body schools play schools of 1000 kids in tournament play? 

 

That was the #1 reason to split into 6 classes, the discrepancy of Carmel to Munster was 3k kids 

 

So, the question is what is the most realistic top end to bottom end enrollment wise that keeps the schools in competitive classes?   

 

16 minutes ago, temptation said:

I think I could get on board with this.  Too lazy, but can anyone outline what that would look like?

I just did 5a into top 32 4a to show what that would look like 

thats an awful lot of kid difference from Top to Bottom 

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For sake of conversation:  here is the breakdowns from 2 years ago (I left off Success Factor bump downs, like Kokomo in 4a) 

https://www.ihsaa.org/sites/default/files/documents/2022-23 2023-24 Football Alignment.pdf

4a:  Greenfield Central  1475 to Angola 795 

3a:  Norwell 790 to River Forest 511 

2a:  South Vermillion 510 to Eastern Hancock 379

1a:   Park Tudor 378 to Indiana Deaf 94, or Traders Point 124

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13 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:

Should 2100 body schools play schools of 1000 kids in tournament play? 

 

That was the #1 reason to split into 6 classes, the discrepancy of Carmel to Munster was 3k kids 

 

So, the question is what is the most realistic top end to bottom end enrollment wise that keeps the schools in competitive classes?   

 

I just did 5a into top 32 4a to show what that would look like 

thats an awful lot of kid difference from Top to Bottom 

Without running the numbers, I always felt that it should be 32 in 6A and 32 in 1A. Well, I guess that's why we run numbers. IHSAA got it right. 

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This is what 1A would look like Last 32

1 Cloverdale 283
2 Fremont 283
3 Covington 281
4 Bowman Academy 277
5 West Washington 277
6 Triton 274
7 North Daviess 273
8 Fort Wayne Blackhawk Christian 270
9 Clinton Central 268
10 Springs Valley 266
11 South Decatur 265
12 North White 264
13 North Miami 263
14 Southwood 263
15 North Central (Farmersburg) 257
16 Tri 256
17 Southern Wells 252
18 Wes-Del 248
19 Culver 246
20 Union City 244
21 Caston 241
22 South Newton 241
23 Cambridge City Lincoln 234
24 Tri Central 232
25 Edinburgh 227
26 Greenwood Christian 222
27 Tri-County 220
28 North Vermillion 218
29 West Central 209
30 Indianapolis Tindley 202
31 Frontier 180
32 Attica 160

and for reference, without Success Factor, Lutheran would still be in 1A at 267

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2A with the next 64 teams

 

1 Indianapolis Scecina 448
2 Rensselaer Central 447
3 North Posey 442
4 North Putnam 432
5 Mitchell 430
6 Northeastern 423
7 Whiting 422
8 Prairie Heights 421
9 Park Tudor 421
10 Christel House Manual 420
11 Delphi 417
12 Wheeler 417
13 Elwood 410
14 Winchester 408
15 Adams Central 408
16 Tell City 403
17 Shenandoah 400
18 Paoli 396
19 Lake Station Edison 391
20 Union County 391
21 Eastern (Pekin) 389
22 Lewis Cass 389
23 Whitko 389
24 Linton-Stockton 387
25 Seeger 386
26 Central Noble 385
27 Clarksville 385
28 Eastside 384
29 Covenant Christian (Indpls.) 383
30 Crawford County 379
31 Churubusco 378
32 Eastern Hancock 377
33 Lafayette Central Catholic 302
34 Indianapolis Lutheran 267
35 Perry Central 377
36 LaVille 373
37 Providence 371
38 Taylor 366
39 South Putnam 363
40 Winamac 360
41 South Adams 357
42 Parke Heritage 354
43 Forest Park 353
44 Hagerstown 352
45 South Spencer 352
46 Eastern Greene 351
47 North Knox 349
48 Madison-Grant 336
49 Sheridan 336
50 Clinton Prairie 327
51 Carroll (Flora) 321
52 Riverton Parke 320
53 North Newton 319
54 South Central (Union Mills) 318
55 Knightstown 316
56 Milan 315
57 North Decatur 314
58 North Judson 308
59 Monroe Central 301
60 Northfield 296
61 Fountain Central 289
62 Anderson Prep Academy 288
63 Pioneer 286
64 Tecumseh 286
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3A with the next 64

 

1 Indian Creek 636
2 Heritage Hills 635
3 John Glenn 633
4 North Harrison 629
5 Fort Wayne Concordia 623
6 Evansville Memorial 617
7 Hammond Bishop Noll 617
8 Indianapolis Washington 617
9 Heritage 616
10 Calumet 611
11 Bellmont 610
12 Tri-West 606
13 Maconaquah 604
14 Princeton 600
15 Peru 588
16 Purdue Polytechnic Downtown 578
17 Southridge 576
18 Mount Vernon (Posey) 574
19 Speedway 571
20 Fairfield 570
21 River Forest 567
22 Garrett 556
23 Northwestern 554
24 Cascade 546
25 Tippecanoe Valley 543
26 Lakeland 540
27 Jimtown 538
28 Oak Hill 538
29 Fort Wayne Bishop Luers 532
30 Frankton 531
31 Evansville Mater Dei 520
32 Knox 520
33 West Vigo 518
34 Woodlan 518
35 Benton Central 513
36 North Montgomery 513
37 Western Boone 513
38 Centerville 512
39 Bluffton 507
40 Heritage Christian 507
41 Monrovia 503
42 Sullivan 503
43 Eastbrook 501
44 Eastern (Greentown) 499
45 Indianapolis Cardinal Ritter 498
46 Greencastle 495
47 Salem 494
48 Wabash 492
49 Blackford 490
50 Brown County 488
51 Manchester 475
52 Pike Central 474
53 Rochester 473
54 Bremen 471
55 Brownstown Central 469
56 Alexandria 468
57 South Vermillion 468
58 Triton Central 468
59 Boone Grove 466
60 Lapel 466
61 Switzerland County 464
62 Andrean 455
63 Tipton 454
64 Southmont 453
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4A

 

1 New Haven 1068
2 Plymouth 1054
3 Marion 1045
4 DeKalb 1044
5 Lebanon 1033
6 East Chicago Central 1009
7 Gary West Side 995
8 East Noble 989
9 Kankakee Valley 989
10 Lowell 985
11 Highland 977
12 New Prairie 970
13 Silver Creek 943
14 Connersville 930
15 Fort Wayne Bishop Dwenger 917
16 Frankfort 901
17 Leo 900
18 Wawasee 895
19 Northview 894
20 Beech Grove 892
21 South Bend Washington 886
22 Boonville 884
23 NorthWood 869
24 Evansville Bosse 863
25 Charlestown 854
26 South Bend Saint Joseph 849
27 Culver Academies 832
28 Brebeuf Jesuit 829
29 New Castle 824
30 Danville 820
31 Hanover Central 817
32 Yorktown 812
33 Washington 810
34 Indianapolis Bishop Chatard 730
35 Guerin Catholic 800
36 Jay County 800
37 Delta 798
38 Western 791
39 Mississinewa 783
40 Gibson Southern 771
41 Edgewood 761
42 Madison 760
43 Corydon Central 754
44 West Lafayette 750
45 Norwell 745
46 Angola 741
47 Mishawaka Marian 735
48 Lawrenceburg 726
49 Scottsburg 726
50 West Noble 718
51 Vincennes Lincoln 711
52 Crawfordsville 710
53 Hamilton Heights 687
54 Batesville 670
55 Twin Lakes 663
56 Greensburg 662
57 Franklin County 650
58 Owen Valley 650
59 Rushville 645
60 South Dearborn 645
61 Griffith 637

5A

 

1 Valparaiso 2140
2 Warsaw 2108
3 Whiteland 2074
4 South Bend Adams 2062
5 Decatur Central 2050
6 Merrillville 2050
7 Lafayette Jefferson 2034
8 Goshen 2006
9 Chesterton 1980
10 Castle 1965
11 Hammond Central 1923
12 Floyd Central 1823
13 New Albany 1814
14 LaPorte 1812
15 McCutcheon 1786
16 Plainfield 1773
17 Evansville North 1751
18 Concord 1730
19 Anderson 1722
20 Seymour 1719
21 Bloomington South 1681
22 Terre Haute South 1609
23 Franklin Community 1590
24 Bloomington North 1589
25 Hammond Morton 1534
26 Michigan City 1520
27 Columbus East 1518
28 Munster 1514
29 Terre Haute North 1467
30 Kokomo 1465
31 Fort Wayne North Side 1460
32 East Central 1241
33 Fort Wayne South Side 1459
34 Mt Vernon (Fortville) 1455
35 Greenfield-Central 1430
36 Mishawaka 1422
37 Fort Wayne Wayne 1416
38 Mooresville 1398
39 Northridge 1393
40 Huntington North 1382
41 Evansville Reitz 1378
42 Pendleton Heights 1353
43 Muncie Central 1332
44 Richmond 1320
45 Martinsville 1315
46 Hobart 1298
47 South Bend Riley 1298
48 Evansville Harrison 1293
49 Bedford-North Lawrence 1242
50 Logansport 1226
51 Greenwood 1211
52 New Palestine 1209
53 Indianapolis Cathedral 1172
54 Indianapolis Crispus Attucks 1170
55 Jennings County 1169
56 Columbia City 1162
57 Indianapolis Shortridge 1159
58 Evansville Central 1131
59 Shelbyville 1093
60 Jasper 1092
61 Indianapolis Roncalli 1082
62 New Haven 1068
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Without quoting all the above classes and taking up loads of space in this reply box- those classes (where 32 biggest are in 6A and 32 smallest are in 1A) seem about right to me. 
 

I realize it’s all relative I guess…

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15 hours ago, WCGrad92 said:

4A

 

 

1 New Haven 1068
2 Plymouth 1054
3 Marion 1045
4 DeKalb 1044
5 Lebanon 1033
6 East Chicago Central 1009
7 Gary West Side 995
8 East Noble 989
9 Kankakee Valley 989
10 Lowell 985
11 Highland 977
12 New Prairie 970
13 Silver Creek 943
14 Connersville 930
15 Fort Wayne Bishop Dwenger 917
16 Frankfort 901
17 Leo 900
18 Wawasee 895
19 Northview 894
20 Beech Grove 892
21 South Bend Washington 886
22 Boonville 884
23 NorthWood 869
24 Evansville Bosse 863
25 Charlestown 854
26 South Bend Saint Joseph 849
27 Culver Academies 832
28 Brebeuf Jesuit 829
29 New Castle 824
30 Danville 820
31 Hanover Central 817
32 Yorktown 812
33 Washington 810
34 Indianapolis Bishop Chatard 730
35 Guerin Catholic 800
36 Jay County 800
37 Delta 798
38 Western 791
39 Mississinewa 783
40 Gibson Southern 771
41 Edgewood 761
42 Madison 760
43 Corydon Central 754
44 West Lafayette 750
45 Norwell 745
46 Angola 741
47 Mishawaka Marian 735
48 Lawrenceburg 726
49 Scottsburg 726
50 West Noble 718
51 Vincennes Lincoln 711
52 Crawfordsville 710
53 Hamilton Heights 687
54 Batesville 670
55 Twin Lakes 663
56 Greensburg 662
57 Franklin County 650
58 Owen Valley 650
59 Rushville 645
60 South Dearborn 645
61 Griffith 637

5A

 

 

 

1 Valparaiso 2140
2 Warsaw 2108
3 Whiteland 2074
4 South Bend Adams 2062
5 Decatur Central 2050
6 Merrillville 2050
7 Lafayette Jefferson 2034
8 Goshen 2006
9 Chesterton 1980
10 Castle 1965
11 Hammond Central 1923
12 Floyd Central 1823
13 New Albany 1814
14 LaPorte 1812
15 McCutcheon 1786
16 Plainfield 1773
17 Evansville North 1751
18 Concord 1730
19 Anderson 1722
20 Seymour 1719
21 Bloomington South 1681
22 Terre Haute South 1609
23 Franklin Community 1590
24 Bloomington North 1589
25 Hammond Morton 1534
26 Michigan City 1520
27 Columbus East 1518
28 Munster 1514
29 Terre Haute North 1467
30 Kokomo 1465
31 Fort Wayne North Side 1460
32 East Central 1241
33 Fort Wayne South Side 1459
34 Mt Vernon (Fortville) 1455
35 Greenfield-Central 1430
36 Mishawaka 1422
37 Fort Wayne Wayne 1416
38 Mooresville 1398
39 Northridge 1393
40 Huntington North 1382
41 Evansville Reitz 1378
42 Pendleton Heights 1353
43 Muncie Central 1332
44 Richmond 1320
45 Martinsville 1315
46 Hobart 1298
47 South Bend Riley 1298
48 Evansville Harrison 1293
49 Bedford-North Lawrence 1242
50 Logansport 1226
51 Greenwood 1211
52 New Palestine 1209
53 Indianapolis Cathedral 1172
54 Indianapolis Crispus Attucks 1170
55 Jennings County 1169
56 Columbia City 1162
57 Indianapolis Shortridge 1159
58 Evansville Central 1131
59 Shelbyville 1093
60 Jasper 1092
61 Indianapolis Roncalli 1082
62 New Haven 1068

You have New Haven in both 4A (biggest school) and 5A (smallest school)

 

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17 hours ago, Coach Nowlin said:

Should 2100 body schools play schools of 1000 kids in tournament play? 

 

That was the #1 reason to split into 6 classes, the discrepancy of Carmel to Munster was 3k kids 

 

So, the question is what is the most realistic top end to bottom end enrollment wise that keeps the schools in competitive classes?   

 

I just did 5a into top 32 4a to show what that would look like 

thats an awful lot of kid difference from Top to Bottom 

I mean, "SOMEHOW" Cathedral does it right, lol?

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18 hours ago, WCGrad92 said:

This is what 1A would look like Last 32
and for reference, without Success Factor, Lutheran would still be in 1A at 267

Which is why a smallest 32 1A should also prohibit any P/P schols

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7 minutes ago, US31 said:

Which is why a smallest 32 1A should also prohibit any P/P schols

Why? The success factor is in place for a reason. Why punish a p/p school that hasn't had success?  

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45 minutes ago, tango said:

Why? The success factor is in place for a reason. Why punish a p/p school that hasn't had success?  

Not this conversation again.........

Publics and privates will never agree on this issue.  Leave it alone.

On 2/12/2024 at 6:49 PM, Huge Football Fan said:

Where can I see the basketball? Baseball breakdown?

thank you 

In the 4-class sports, they moved to a 20/25/25/30 split.

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1 hour ago, US31 said:

Which is why a smallest 32 1A should also prohibit any P/P schols

I watched Faith Christian take a 80-2 beating at the hands of Indiana School for the Deaf in 8-on-8 last season.  That should be the poster child citing for not having an automatic banishment from 1A if you are a p/p school.  If they get better, SF will take care of it.

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44 minutes ago, foxbat said:

I watched Faith Christian take a 80-2 beating at the hands of Indiana School for the Deaf in 8-on-8 last season.  That should be the poster child citing for not having an automatic banishment from 1A if you are a p/p school.  If they get better, SF will take care of it.

I'm just sharing my opinion....some people will disagree.  I would suggest 8 man matchups probably aren't the best analogy to 11 man 1A football.

The reason I have my opinion is a desire to prevent the yo-yo effect that has occurred in larger classes from affecting 32 smallest 1A.  Especially as IHSAA has chosen to increase the point threshold for "staying up".

Looks like some p/p folks don't agree with me....they are free to do so and I'd still drink beer with them.🍻

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44 minutes ago, US31 said:

I'm just sharing my opinion....some people will disagree.  I would suggest 8 man matchups probably aren't the best analogy to 11 man 1A football.

The reason I have my opinion is a desire to prevent the yo-yo effect that has occurred in larger classes from affecting 32 smallest 1A.  Especially as IHSAA has chosen to increase the point threshold for "staying up".

Looks like some p/p folks don't agree with me....they are free to do so and I'd still drink beer with them.🍻

I've heard this before, but I'm trying to wrap my head around where this has happened that didn't have something wonky attached to it, perhaps outside of Cathedral.  And even in the case of Cathedral, I don't think they've ever returned to their enrollment class, 4A

Chatard's "move down" from 4A was based on a single season when the IHSAA implementing a COVID review and sticking them in a sectional with Roncalli.  LCC moved down because the points to stay up was four points at the time.  I'm trying to think through who else has yo-yo'd, perhaps outside of Pioneer ... but that's a public school and they've been 2-8 and 5-5 since moving back down and haven't made it past a first-round game.  Even folks like Linton and Scecina that went up on SF were large enough after the fact, moving from 1A to 2A, to remain in 2A regardless of SF.  Adams Central will end up being the third such school. 

Matter of fact, in 1A so far, there have been seven total instances of teams being SF'd up to 2A, with LCC being the only one to yo-yo ... again because of the four-point rule:

  • LCC - The first and has been SF'd twice and a member of the inaugural class.  Moved down once because the cutoff was four points as mentioned above.  Moved back up as one of the first team's to be SF'd by doing worse in their second year of the cycle than the first in 2021.  Picked up three points in the current 2A stay.  Will be remaining in 2A for the next cycle.
  • Scecina - Moved up as a result of picking up 6 points in the inaugural SF class in 2013. Up until this last season, the only team to be SF'd without a blue ring.  Adams Central just joined that distinguished club.  Scecina has never moved back down as a result now of enrollment.
  • Linton was SF'd in the 3rd SF class since no one in 1A picked up enough points in the second SF cycle to be bumped in 2017 season.  Like Scecina, has never moved back down as a result now of enrollment.
  • Pioneer finally SF'd in 2019 after three straight appearances at LOS netting two blue rings and a red.  Remained in 2A for 1 1/2 seasons before COVID half-season sent them back down to 1A.  As noted above, haven't escaped a first round 1A game with a win since.
  • Adams Central just joined the Scecina/Pioneer having three straight LOS appearances combined with no blue rings.  Will likely not end up coming down as they are likely to join the other distinct club: the Linton/Scecina club where they get SF'd and get too big to come down regardless of SF.
  • Lutheran just joined the Pioneer club along with the WeBo club in that they had three straight LOS appearances and also picked up three straight blue rings.  Will see need to wait to see if they don't weather 2A, but last year they likely could have easily gotten to 2A semi-state.

As such, since the end of the 2012 season, six programs in 1A have been SF'd with the very unique situations of two-thirds of the programs being bumped in just a pair of SF cycles.  Of interest is the mix is three p/p and three public.  Only two 1A teams out of six have returned, LCC and Pioneer, and, in the case of LCC, it was because the requirement was four points to stay.  Technically, LCC is the only one to really yo-yo and, again, due to the four-point rule.  With the data points, I'm not seeing 1A at much risk; especially if the argument is that the p/ps have enormous benefits, as SF will address it and, the potential discrepancies at the lower levels are much more likely to NOT have p/p programs returning back down from a 2A environment.

 

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On 2/13/2024 at 3:59 PM, WCGrad92 said:

2A with the next 64 teams

 

 

1 Indianapolis Scecina 448
2 Rensselaer Central 447
3 North Posey 442
4 North Putnam 432
5 Mitchell 430
6 Northeastern 423
7 Whiting 422
8 Prairie Heights 421
9 Park Tudor 421
10 Christel House Manual 420
11 Delphi 417
12 Wheeler 417
13 Elwood 410
14 Winchester 408
15 Adams Central 408
16 Tell City 403
17 Shenandoah 400
18 Paoli 396
19 Lake Station Edison 391
20 Union County 391
21 Eastern (Pekin) 389
22 Lewis Cass 389
23 Whitko 389
24 Linton-Stockton 387
25 Seeger 386
26 Central Noble 385
27 Clarksville 385
28 Eastside 384
29 Covenant Christian (Indpls.) 383
30 Crawford County 379
31 Churubusco 378
32 Eastern Hancock 377
33 Lafayette Central Catholic 302
34 Indianapolis Lutheran 267
35 Perry Central 377
36 LaVille 373
37 Providence 371
38 Taylor 366
39 South Putnam 363
40 Winamac 360
41 South Adams 357
42 Parke Heritage 354
43 Forest Park 353
44 Hagerstown 352
45 South Spencer 352
46 Eastern Greene 351
47 North Knox 349
48 Madison-Grant 336
49 Sheridan 336
50 Clinton Prairie 327
51 Carroll (Flora) 321
52 Riverton Parke 320
53 North Newton 319
54 South Central (Union Mills) 318
55 Knightstown 316
56 Milan 315
57 North Decatur 314
58 North Judson 308
59 Monroe Central 301
60 Northfield 296
61 Fountain Central 289
62 Anderson Prep Academy 288
63 Pioneer 286
64 Tecumseh 286

Anderson Prep hasn't played a varsity football game since 2019. I don't know why they keep getting put in football enrollments and sectionals.

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22 hours ago, foxbat said:

I've heard this before, but I'm trying to wrap my head around where this has happened that didn't have something wonky attached to it, perhaps outside of Cathedral.  And even in the case of Cathedral, I don't think they've ever returned to their enrollment class, 4A

Chatard's "move down" from 4A was based on a single season when the IHSAA implementing a COVID review and sticking them in a sectional with Roncalli.  LCC moved down because the points to stay up was four points at the time.  I'm trying to think through who else has yo-yo'd, perhaps outside of Pioneer ... but that's a public school and they've been 2-8 and 5-5 since moving back down and haven't made it past a first-round game.  Even folks like Linton and Scecina that went up on SF were large enough after the fact, moving from 1A to 2A, to remain in 2A regardless of SF.  Adams Central will end up being the third such school. 

Matter of fact, in 1A so far, there have been seven total instances of teams being SF'd up to 2A, with LCC being the only one to yo-yo ... again because of the four-point rule:

  • LCC - The first and has been SF'd twice and a member of the inaugural class.  Moved down once because the cutoff was four points as mentioned above.  Moved back up as one of the first team's to be SF'd by doing worse in their second year of the cycle than the first in 2021.  Picked up three points in the current 2A stay.  Will be remaining in 2A for the next cycle.
  • Scecina - Moved up as a result of picking up 6 points in the inaugural SF class in 2013. Up until this last season, the only team to be SF'd without a blue ring.  Adams Central just joined that distinguished club.  Scecina has never moved back down as a result now of enrollment.
  • Linton was SF'd in the 3rd SF class since no one in 1A picked up enough points in the second SF cycle to be bumped in 2017 season.  Like Scecina, has never moved back down as a result now of enrollment.
  • Pioneer finally SF'd in 2019 after three straight appearances at LOS netting two blue rings and a red.  Remained in 2A for 1 1/2 seasons before COVID half-season sent them back down to 1A.  As noted above, haven't escaped a first round 1A game with a win since.
  • Adams Central just joined the Scecina/Pioneer having three straight LOS appearances combined with no blue rings.  Will likely not end up coming down as they are likely to join the other distinct club: the Linton/Scecina club where they get SF'd and get too big to come down regardless of SF.
  • Lutheran just joined the Pioneer club along with the WeBo club in that they had three straight LOS appearances and also picked up three straight blue rings.  Will see need to wait to see if they don't weather 2A, but last year they likely could have easily gotten to 2A semi-state.

As such, since the end of the 2012 season, six programs in 1A have been SF'd with the very unique situations of two-thirds of the programs being bumped in just a pair of SF cycles.  Of interest is the mix is three p/p and three public.  Only two 1A teams out of six have returned, LCC and Pioneer, and, in the case of LCC, it was because the requirement was four points to stay.  Technically, LCC is the only one to really yo-yo and, again, due to the four-point rule.  With the data points, I'm not seeing 1A at much risk; especially if the argument is that the p/ps have enormous benefits, as SF will address it and, the potential discrepancies at the lower levels are much more likely to NOT have p/p programs returning back down from a 2A environment.

 

Instead of success factor, I'd like to see other wrinkles: such as playing only 8-9 players at a time or wearing Crocs as opposed to cleats...

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now that i have wasted so much page space on this topic, i see there being 312 schools playing football, if there is an outlier in there that noone knows about. I cant do anything about that if anyone new joins in, but I believe i have all the schools out that no longer play football.

I see the breaks being 

Top/Bottom of 6A  -  32 Teams

Carmel  5200

Jeffersonville 2141

FW Snider 1915  Up due to SF

Cathedral 1172 Up due to SF

 

Top/Bottom of 5A  -  32 Teams

Valparaiso 2140

Fort Waynbe North Side 1460

East Central 1241 Up due to SF

 

Top/Bottom of 4A  -  62 Teams

Fort Wayne South Side 1459

Washington 810

Chatard 730 Up due to SF

 

Top/Bottom of 3A -  62 Teams

Guerin Catholic 800

Benton Central 513

 

Top/Bottom of 2A  -  62 Teams

North Montgomery 513

Churubusco 378

LCC 302  Up due to SF

Lutheran 267  Up due to SF

 

Top/Bottom of 1A  -  62 Teams

Eastern Hancock 377

Attica 160

 

 

 

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