AW0352 Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 Can a TE (or anyone for that matter) go down in a 3 point stance and then shift positions before the snap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Bobref Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 “After the ball is ready for play and before the snap begins, no false start shall be made by any A player. It is a false start if: c. Any A player on his line between the snapper and the player on the end of his line, after having placed a hand(s) on or near the ground, moves his hand(s) or makes any quick movement.” So, the TE can pick up. Interior linemen may not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 JustRules Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 11 hours ago, Bobref said: “After the ball is ready for play and before the snap begins, no false start shall be made by any A player. It is a false start if: c. Any A player on his line between the snapper and the player on the end of his line, after having placed a hand(s) on or near the ground, moves his hand(s) or makes any quick movement.” So, the TE can pick up. Interior linemen may not. To clarify, by TE he means the player on the end of the line (regardless of number), not the player identified as the TE in the program. TE appears nowhere in the rule book. All legal offensive players are either a lineman or a back. Backs or linemen on the end of the line could be a traditional wideout or a traditional TE. They are allowed to shift from a 3 point stance to a 2-point stance or another position and reset before the snap. If you are a back you can also be in motion at the snap as long everyone else was set for 1 second before going in motion and your motion is not forward at the snap. A simpler answer to the question though is once the snapper places their hand on the ball, any interior lineman who places his hand on the ground is considered locked. Lifting his hand for any reason results in a false start. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Goose Liver Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 21 hours ago, Bobref said: “After the ball is ready for play and before the snap begins, no false start shall be made by any A player. It is a false start if: c. Any A player on his line between the snapper and the player on the end of his line, after having placed a hand(s) on or near the ground, moves his hand(s) or makes any quick movement.” So, the TE can pick up. Interior linemen may not. So if the Center is bobbing up and down prior to the snap is that a violation? For clarification, the motion does not move the ball the movement is confined to the hips and knees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Bobref Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 24 minutes ago, Goose Liver said: So if the Center is bobbing up and down prior to the snap is that a violation? For clarification, the motion does not move the ball the movement is confined to the hips and knees. I need to see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 JustRules Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 3 hours ago, Goose Liver said: So if the Center is bobbing up and down prior to the snap is that a violation? For clarification, the motion does not move the ball the movement is confined to the hips and knees. Agreed. He's allowed to move as long as the movement isn't simulating action at the snap. He's going to look between his legs at the QB, holder or punter or look to side or various areas of the defense. As Bobref said, you have to see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 US31 Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 So if a "covered" TE pegs....he would be locked? I think this is how I'm reading the above.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Bobref Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 3 hours ago, US31 said: So if a "covered" TE pegs....he would be locked? I think this is how I'm reading the above.... Correct, only players on the end of the line can pick up, once they’ve placed a hand or hands on or near the ground. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 jets Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 20 hours ago, Bobref said: Correct, only players on the end of the line can pick up, once they’ve placed a hand or hands on or near the ground. But they can't pick up if the Center has his hands on the ball?? Is that correct?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Bobref Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 2 hours ago, jets said: But they can't pick up if the Center has his hands on the ball?? Is that correct?? False start restrictions begin when the ball is ready for play. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Major Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 Nothing is wrong with that as long as the tight end is the end man on the line of scrimmage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 jets Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 21 hours ago, Bobref said: False start restrictions begin when the ball is ready for play. What exactly does that mean? Can you clarify IF a TE can or can not lift his hand for a shift if he is in fact the last eligible man on the LOS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 gindie Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, jets said: What exactly does that mean? Can you clarify IF a TE can or can not lift his hand for a shift if he is in fact the last eligible man on the LOS? Bobref answered that question 4 comments above yours. That goes into effect when the referee whistles the ball ready for play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Bobref Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 1 hour ago, jets said: What exactly does that mean? Can you clarify IF a TE can or can not lift his hand for a shift if he is in fact the last eligible man on the LOS? I’ll be as unambiguous as possible. The tight end, assuming he’s on the end of the line, may put a hand or hands on or near the ground, and then pick up, without it being a false start. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Bobref Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 1 hour ago, gindie said: Bobref answered that question 4 comments above yours. That goes into effect when the referee whistles the ball ready for play. Since we moved to the 40 sec. play clock, on most plays R does not blow the whistle. On such plays, the ball is considered “ready” when the U has placed it and moved away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 gindie Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 30 minutes ago, Bobref said: Since we moved to the 40 sec. play clock, on most plays R does not blow the whistle. On such plays, the ball is considered “ready” when the U has placed it and moved away. Thanks, I learned something! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Can a TE (or anyone for that matter) go down in a 3 point stance and then shift positions before the snap?
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