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Who moves up in 2017...Who slides down?

2016 season end results.

School Name *W-L *Pct. *PF *PA W-L Pct. PF PA Strk
Gibson Southern 7-0 1.000 354 80 9-1 0.900 459 129 1 L
Southridge 6-1 0.857 271 118 10-2 0.833 395 244 1 L
Heritage Hills 5-2 0.714 213 107 7-3 0.700 272 157 1 L
North Posey 3-4 0.429 188 189 5-5 0.500 307 271 2 L
South Spencer 3-4 0.429 207 203 5-7 0.417 367 377 1 L
Pike Central 3-4 0.429 207 318 4-6 0.400 266 413 1 L
Forest Park 1-6 0.143 62 284 2-8 0.200 122 348 1 L
Tell City 0-7 0.000 45 248 1-9 0.100 79 326 9 L

 

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CONF. RANK STATE RANK TEAM OVERALL RATING SCHEDULE STRENGTH RANK RECENT RATING   RANK PREDICTOR RATING   RANK
 1   55   Gibson Southern   71.32   41.80   183   70.38   60   70.90   58 
 2   105   Southridge   57.40   43.24   175   59.75   94   58.56   102 
 3   129   Heritage Hills   52.26   39.90   192   52.84   125   52.59   128 
 4   173   North Posey   42.92   37.30   211   42.80   173   42.94   173 
 5   197   South Spencer   38.29   36.82   213   37.31   200   37.65   200 
 6   231   Pike Central   29.62   42.24   182   31.02   222   30.49   224 
 7   268   Forest Park   17.56   37.72   204   18.52   266   18.16   265 
 8   280   Tell City   12.92   37.89   201   12.50   281   12.78   280 

 

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1. Southridge- lots of returning talent and a good coaching staff

2. Southrn, still a threat to the conference with several atheletes.

3. Heritage Hills, rebuilding, but it wouldn't shock me to see them on top.

4. South Spencer- solid team, might not be able to take the big 3, but still respectable. 

5. North Posey- losing some big seniors hurts this team

6. Forest Park- will likely struggle, but score a few wins. 

7. Pike central- graduated a lot of great players

8. Tell city- has been down lately, had a hard time finding momentum.

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26 minutes ago, Indieanapolis said:

1. Southridge- lots of returning talent and a good coaching staff

2. Southrn, still a threat to the conference with several atheletes.

3. Heritage Hills, rebuilding, but it wouldn't shock me to see them on top.

4. South Spencer- solid team, might not be able to take the big 3, but still respectable. 

5. North Posey- losing some big seniors hurts this team

6. Forest Park- will likely struggle, but score a few wins. 

7. Pike central- graduated a lot of great players

8. Tell city- has been down lately, had a hard time finding momentum.

GS loses a Safety and 2 LBs on Defense.  On Offense they lose 2 O-lineman and a receiver.  8 returning on both sides of the ball.

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I see North Posey being a better team, yes we lost some good seniors. We return a lot of Junior talent, roughly 10 of them started some as sophomores. They have good size and speed (NP speed, not Harrison speed,) and will get some help from the classes below them. A lot of people are unhappy with how things are going at North Posey and if they don't start trending in the right direction I would expect changes.  

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I think GS trends upward...particularly on Defense as 8 of them will have a year of varsity experience under their belts.  Just an observation over the past 5 seasons...in 3A if you don't have a Sagarin the high 70's/low 80's...you are NOT a state contender.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Titan32 said:

I think GS trends upward...particularly on Defense as 8 of them will have a year of varsity experience under their belts.  Just an observation over the past 5 seasons...in 3A if you don't have a Sagarin the high 70's/low 80's...you are NOT a state contender.

 

 

I guess what you are also saying is a team with a Sagarin in the high 70's/low 80's can also lose in first round of Sectional?

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7 minutes ago, Captain Cabinets said:

I guess what you are also saying is a team with a Sagarin in the high 70's/low 80's can also lose in first round of Sectional?

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On ‎12‎/‎14‎/‎2016 at 2:17 PM, Indieanapolis said:

1. Southridge- lots of returning talent and a good coaching staff

2. Southrn, still a threat to the conference with several atheletes.

3. Heritage Hills, rebuilding, but it wouldn't shock me to see them on top.

4. South Spencer- solid team, might not be able to take the big 3, but still respectable. 

5. North Posey- losing some big seniors hurts this team

6. Forest Park- will likely struggle, but score a few wins. 

7. Pike central- graduated a lot of great players

8. Tell city- has been down lately, had a hard time finding momentum.

Heritage Hills rebuilding ?   4 of our top 6 lineman from last season were underclassmen + a 5th started a couple of games  when others were injured plus the kid from South spencer that transferred should be eligible by week 4  so we should have 6 experienced lineman including all-conference Spencer Buse .

 

Quarterback we started two sophomores last season Cade Jones and Kyndel Carter who combined for over 1200 yards last season

 

Defensive back we return All -Conference Cade Jones + two other starters. These 3 are the top 3 on the team in interceptions.

 

Caleb Keller was 2nd on team in all-purpose yards

Kicker Carson Liebering  was 31 out of 31 on extra points and 7 of 11 field goals

 

I know I'm forgetting a few others but basically we return starters  at every position except Linebacker and Running Back and have players from  8-0 freshman and 7-1 JV (only loss to Jasper ) to fill in the gaps.

 

No predictions are finish because HH, SR and GS should all be really good but of these 3 Southridge did get hit the hardest by graduation but with Schank and Harter back the Raiders should be dangerous again.

 

I might add even the two positions we were hit hardest by graduation a Junior Yeager started a few games at LB and several at RB while Graham was injured.  

 

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Captain Cabinets said:

I guess what you are also saying is a team with a Sagarin in the high 70's/low 80's can also lose in first round of Sectional?

They sure can.....health is a big factor in the post season...anything can happen in HS football...including a team with a Sagarin in the 60's making it to Semi-State.  I would wager a bet that with the O-line transfer from SS along with the maturation of the QB transfer (from Jeff?) will put HH somewhere in the 60's this season!  #dayofreconing 

PS Chatard has hit the 80s every season for the past 5.  SW Indiana needs to step up its game!

 

1 minute ago, Titan32 said:

They sure can.....health is a big factor in the post season...anything can happen in HS football...including a team with a Sagarin in the 60's making it to Semi-State.  I would wager a bet that with the O-line transfer from SS along with the maturation of the QB transfer (from Jeff?) will put HH somewhere in the 60's this season!  #dayofreckoning 

PS Chatard has hit the 80s every season for the past 5.  SW Indiana needs to step up its game!

 

 

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Top 3 

1. SR

2. HH

3. GS

4. NP

5. SS

6. PC

7. TC

8. FP

top 3 will be close but I'm giving coaching edge to SR

 

 

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I THINK FP will be a little better this year.  Return 6 on D, 7 on O. Injuries, as always, will be key!  SR,HH, Gibson will all be solid.  Posey returns some nice underclassmen with experience. SS and Pike lost some really good seniors.  TC lost some decent lineman and their stud LB. 

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19 hours ago, HHpats said:

I would hope HH learned their lesson on the transfer QB

I would be surprised if Jones wasn't the starting QB next year.  The only thing that might trip that up, and I think it is a big might, is if Sigler got a shot.  It will be interesting to see how that extraordinarily talented 2017 Sophomore class gets scattered around.

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21 hours ago, Titan32 said:

They sure can.....health is a big factor in the post season...anything can happen in HS football...including a team with a Sagarin in the 60's making it to Semi-State.  I would wager a bet that with the O-line transfer from SS along with the maturation of the QB transfer (from Jeff?) will put HH somewhere in the 60's this season!  #dayofreconing 

PS Chatard has hit the 80s every season for the past 5.  SW Indiana needs to step up its game!

 

 

The Sagarin ranking system is junk!!!  NO matter how good of a team plays in the PAC the rankings will always be mediocre at best because of the number of 1A and 2A teams that are in the conference, unless you are willing to beat teams 75-0!        I think everyone on here knows exactly how I feel about that aspect of the game.  Simple fact is this: there are several teams from southern Indiana that can compete against any team in the state in 3A, it simply relies on the health of your team, the conditions in which you play, and the mistakes that teenage young men make under the big lights.

I think the conference again next year will be a three team battle.  Southridge, Gibson Southern and Heritage Hills are all going to have good teams capable of winning the conference.  Gibson must travel to HH and the Ridge which might give the Raiders and the Pats an edge on paper.  There will be some unknowns for the Patriots next year in a couple of very critical positions so time will only tell.  All I can say is a can't with until late September already!!

 

The middle tiered teams will all be exactly that in my opinion, in the middle.  Posey, Forest Park, and the Rebels will all be fighting for positions 4-6.  I give the edge here the the Vikings because of the players they return, and also because of the quality players the Rebels lost.  Forest Park is still trying to make the leap.

 

Unfortunately Pike Central and Tell City are going to be the bottom two.  The Chargers are going to regress a little while the Marksman are going to try and bottle the efforts of their team from the first three weeks last season.  

 

 

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2 hours ago, PatriotFan said:

I would be surprised if Jones wasn't the starting QB next year.  The only thing that might trip that up, and I think it is a big might, is if Sigler got a shot.  It will be interesting to see how that extraordinarily talented 2017 Sophomore class gets scattered around.

I would give the edge to Jones because it seemed to me the whole offense played better with him at QB plus he was more productive running the ball.  But in my opinion  Jones and Sigler both have the athletic ability to switch to RB or WR  and be a big part of the offense I'm not sure that's the case with Carter because honestly I've never seen him play any other position and not sure if he had any reps  at a position besides QB last season. Regardless I would guess all 3 will be Varsity next season and Kratzer will most likely be JV QB but that's just one fans opinion.  Nice problem to have though 4 good passing QBs  in the Sophomore and Junior classes.

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Another position I didn't list that we will have to replace just about everyone is wide receiver , we only return two players that caught a pass for us last season and one of those was Cade Jones but the one starter returning Caleb Keller was tied for 2nd on team in receptions and 5th in receiving yards.   

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10 hours ago, dave mosbey said:

Another position I didn't list that we will have to replace just about everyone is wide receiver , we only return two players that caught a pass for us last season and one of those was Cade Jones but the one starter returning Caleb Keller was tied for 2nd on team in receptions and 5th in receiving yards.   

I sure hope the coaching staff has started reaching out to potential transfers at the wide receiver position!  :52:

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After losing PAC MVP/ALL-SW Indiana MVP QB Isaac Sellers to a collar bone injury during the last game of the 2016 regular season, as well as all PAC/ ALL Area tackle leading (96) LB Trace Matsel to a concussion.  GS will welcome their return in 2017 for their Senior Seasons.  

Gibson Southern will field 23 Seniors this season including but not limited to:

·         AP All State and All PAC OL Ryan Sensmeier

·         IFCA All State and All PAC DB Bailey Neufelder

·         All PAC and All Area RB Dylan Stefanich

·         All PAC and All Area DL Kalob Stuessel

·         All PAC and All Area LB Trace Matsel

·         All Area WR Wes Obermeier

·         Tackle for loss leader with (12) DL Devin Mills

 

 

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13 hours ago, dave mosbey said:

Another position I didn't list that we will have to replace just about everyone is wide receiver , we only return two players that caught a pass for us last season and one of those was Cade Jones but the one starter returning Caleb Keller was tied for 2nd on team in receptions and 5th in receiving yards.   

I would say that we will be seeing lots of Keller at receiver next season, at least I hope we do.  There aren't too many kids on the team faster than him, if any.

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Off topic  a bit but does anyone know anything about the new Pike Central coach Eric Mattingly ?? Where he came from and if he had previous head coaching experience.

 

Hard to believe  Fuhs, Wilkerson and Hart all entering their 6th season at there respective schools are the 3 longest tenured coaches in the PAC now .

Big Eight is even worse with four 1st year coaches and two 3rd year coaches . Ahrens  at jasper entering his 15th season is the only longtime coach left in either conference.

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On ‎5‎/‎13‎/‎2017 at 8:58 PM, dave mosbey said:

Off topic  a bit but does anyone know anything about the new Pike Central coach Eric Mattingly ?? Where he came from and if he had previous head coaching experience.

Dave, I spent about 10 minutes looking for some thing Coach Mattingly with no luck. Hopefully someone can chime in because I am curious as well.

On ‎5‎/‎13‎/‎2017 at 8:58 PM, dave mosbey said:

Hard to believe  Fuhs, Wilkerson and Hart all entering their 6th season at there respective schools are the 3 longest tenured coaches in the PAC now .

This is almost shocking, I still think of each one of them as being "new" on the job.

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32 minutes ago, Cappy said:

Dave, I spent about 10 minutes looking for some thing Coach Mattingly with no luck. Hopefully someone can chime in because I am curious as well.

This is almost shocking, I still think of each one of them as being "new" on the job.

I can't find a thing either....and you have to pay a year to get the press-dispatch online $35....I don't want to know that bad...LOL.

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He was the OC at McCutcheon High School for the past 2 years. I think an assistant at Boonville before that but don't quote me.

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1 hour ago, Titan32 said:

I can't find a thing either....and you have to pay a year to get the press-dispatch online $35....I don't want to know that bad...LOL.

I'm with you on that, I looked there hoping they had a free article.

1 hour ago, JQWL said:

He was the OC at McCutcheon High School for the past 2 years. I think an assistant at Boonville before that but don't quote me.

Thanks

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3 hours ago, Titan32 said:

I can't find a thing either....and you have to pay a year to get the press-dispatch online $35....I don't want to know that bad...LOL.

That's crazy I  only pay 4.99 per month for my Evansville Courier Digital Subscription and you can get the entire newspaper....

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