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  2. I do not support 8-man football as well. A co-op system is the best bet for small schools in Indiana. But schools like Barr-Reeve and Loogootee, for example, will have to get other their mutual animosity. Isn't that a good thing?
  3. Three comments on Boone Grove announcement: 1. BG AD no comment when asked by The Times - decision not supported by AD? 2. No player tested positive - why did you start then on Monday? 3. Valpo/Chesterton/Wheeler all porter county schools with Wheeler being very close to BG still practicing? To JustRules point - what was this administration expecting? If being overly cautious, they should not have started on Monday. I become less and less optimistic about having a football season this Fall.
  4. Yep. You obviously have all the answers to America's political woes.
  5. Lets face it people. Competitive team sports are dying a slow death right in front of us. This is no time to be adding silly sports like 8 man high school football. We are in the Era of Contraction All things everywhere are contracting, and only the best will survive and flourish post COVID. Its time to buckle up and do what you do best. Invest in activities that provide a positive return on that investment. Let go of a past that has no hope of returning Time to move ahead
  6. Before we all shoot from the hip, let's read the sources that folks are using. You may not agree with them, but the number is there ... see below with the red circle. That's where the 9% came from ... not from @Plymouthfan91 own calculations. Similarly, there's a problem in your using the total population and the current deaths as it is mixing population with sample and would pre-suppose that EVERYONE in the US has already contracted COVID AND had the eventual resolution. Also, the 135,838 divided by 331 million would yield a rate of .041% which would certainly be less than .5%, but misleading somewhat in seemingly attempting to paint 135,838 as the cap in the .5% range. Even using the total COVID cases and applying the deaths against it, you run into a number somewhere around 4.2% ... this would assume that all of the non-recovered/discharged folks ended up being recovered/discharged and none of them died. Extrapolate that to the population as a whole and you run into somewhere around over 13 million dead ... and that's at the 4.2% rate. With that said, the 135K+ deaths that we currently have includes folks who were part of the front-end of the pandemic before social distancing/lockdown, etc. In essence, the potential death rate if you CONTRACT COVID seems to be somewhere in the 9% upper range and 4.2%, or possibly lower, taking to account that the 4.2% is currently spanning a minimum of two different response environments. Looking at the post lockdown/social distancing numbers would, potentially, give a better indication of lower end. Nonetheless, applying 4.2% against the country population and you come up with a number north of 13 million deaths. Even taking a death rate after contraction of just 2%, it ends up being some 7 million+. Ultimately, what is more important in the overall scheme of figuring out "return to normal" is determining the likelihood of ANYONE getting this. The # of tests done in the US is around 40 million. Of that, we have around 3.2 million cases. As such, extrapolating that out, you have around a 7.9% rate of HAVE COVID vs. tested for. That number is likely to be a bit high because folks being tested likely think they have it or are pre-supposed to get tested. Nonetheless, it's where we mainly are on testing, so assuming roughly a similar infection and death rate, you are looking at around a .3% death rate of those that die vs. those tested and using tested as a surrogate for the population. That still clocks in at just under 1 million people against the population. Going back to @Plymouthfan91's original post, whether you are talking about 1 million dead or 7 million dead or 13 million dead, those numbers are worth being smart about especially when you consider that last year was one of the worst years on record for flu deaths and that was around 80,000 ... we are already at 50% more than that with COVID so far.
  7. @DanteEstonia, you said you coached an 8-man team last year, I'm curious about x's and o's, what is the same what is different? @cw13, you said you have coached in a co-op program before, how does that work in terms of facility usage, revenue sharing between the two schools, etc. I've lived near the Illinois state line my whole life and am familiar with the basics of co-op programs, but don't know much beyond, essentially, two or more schools field a team together...
  8. Made zero sense to me too. Hopefully Boone grove comes out with a better answer than the statement they made.
  9. Yes sir. If my bosses say wear a mask, I’ll wear a mask. Just as I did on the airplane to Florida.
  10. I hope you're wrong, too. College football, besides being great entertainment, is a real economic engine. Just like college basketball, which could also be on the chopping block...
  11. Have a great day. Always awesome for a 3 day weekend, 🤞. Just to re clarify, I social distance (been doing this before it was cool. RELAX people, it’s a joke), wash my hands and practice hygiene. All those work, don’t need a mask. And if masks *work*, why haven’t they been proper protocol since March 13?
  12. That's gonzoron to you danny. Keep my name out of your mouth. It violates GID rules.
  13. This is the same as my thoughts about general reopenings as well. There HAS to be the expectations that there will be positive tests. There's no way this won't happen. So to shut down practices, restaurants, businesses, churches, etc etc because a single positive tests occurs.... what's the point in even starting/opening up. We have to learn to live with it.
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  15. Hey, if a school shows enough long term interest to support a soccer program and a community is willing to support it, I say go for it. That doesn't mean it doesn't have consequences though. Covington is a great example of this. They were never really a "football juggernaut" before they started their soccer program, but their football participation took a big hit when that started (I was a kid btw, so the details are a bit fuzzy). Things have balanced out now, Covington's football teams have steadily gotten better and their participation has also gone up, I don't know what their soccer participation is, but I continually hear that they are competitive. The key there is that, I assume, the Covington community did their research, saw that there was long term interest in soccer, and decided that it was worth it. Good for them, but it's not for everybody. As to co-ops, that to me is also an option, but there are some thorny issues to work through there as well. How does the revenue get split? How do you get student-athletes to facilities? Which facilities do you use? That doesn't even start to touch the "cultural" (if that is the right term) issues inherent with joining up two fierce rivals. It is a different situation, slightly, but one of the big hangups with the Turkey Run/Rockville consolidation was that there were folks on both sides, young and old, who could not stand the thought of playing with the other side instead of against them. Not that these obstacles can't be overcome, but it just takes some doing. And geographically speaking, Indiana is very similar to Illinois and Michigan in the same regard. See the above numbers. Fine, great, I support your right to have an opinion. Having seen gate numbers at small schools for years I can tell you that you are wrong, but you will never believe me, but as the text in bold indicates, it doesn't matter. Multiple athletic directors from multiple schools around the state could show you their books, you could see the numbers in black and white, and it won't matter. So again, I would respectfully ask that you start a new thread to discuss contraction issues and let this thread be for discussion about the mechanics of 8-man football, it's prevalence and structure in other states, and schools in this state who may potentially either show interest or be willing to engage in conversation around it. We all know where you stand, that is clear, so please, just leave those of us who would like to have some kind of productive discussion on this topic in peace...
  16. I've said from the beginning, if we are going to shut down because 1 or 2 people test positive there is no point in starting. Until this virus is completely gone (which it likely never will be), there will be some spread no matter what we do. We can't be shut down forever so we have to learn to mitigate the spread as much as possible and restore some activities as much as possible. But also respect the dangers of the virus and take it seriously. But shutting everything down completely is not the answer either. Football and other sports though are going to be a lower priority. Remember through there are people who make a living in the sports industry. It's not just a game for us to watch and our kids to play.
  17. I expect to see the SEC and Big 12 announce a joint scheduling agreement, allowing their schools to play non conference games against each other this season. This COVID issue will likely push college football into the next era of realignment, where we will see 4 conferences with 16 to 18 schools in each conference. The SEC will absorb the OK schools while the PAC 12 will absorb the Texas schools. KS schools will likley go Big Ten. ISU could be out of the mix WV to the ACC Big changes coming
  18. Two People Charged With a Hate Crime for Painting Over a Black Lives Matter Mural https://reason.com/2020/07/09/hate-crime-black-lives-matter-mural-vandalism-contra-costa-county/ Agreed. A crime is a crime is a crime. "Hate crimes" fly in the face of "equal under the eyes of the law.".
  19. I am not sure I understand why the Boone Grove Sup suspended practices that had restarted at BG. What changed in those 4 days that she felt she had to call a halt? The numbers in her township show 18 total cases throughout this whole episode. Why would BG be the only Porter county school to suspend?
  20. I truly find it hard to believe that some of the gate receipts for these failing 11 man football programs generate nearly enough income to support a full sports menu Failing programs suffer from two common factors, amongst many others : Low participation Low community support That translates to moribund attendance numbers. I wont be convinced otherwise
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