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Awesome first post. Keep 'em comin', you'll have a great time here.Don't mind all those red numbers under your name, they're for entertainment purposes only.

There are 74 players of the 80 on the roster listed with a feeder school affiliation. When my son played on the 2011 state championship team, 21 of 22 starters were from a feeder school. But, of course, don't let facts get in the way of accusations

Interesting: Memorial could win 4a while playing up a class......hmmmmm

LCC is playing the correct team because they're playing the team that was better when it mattered in November. If you show up and outplay a team in a regional championship, then you have earned the chance to play for a semistate championship. Sagarin, polls and hype don't determine who the right team is to play. Friday night results determine that. It seems like people assumed that it was SA's "fate" to move on and play in LOS. Teams have to make their own fate at this point in the season. AC could very well come out flat after an emotional victory and lose to LCC, but that doesn't mean they were the wrong team.

If we could do this and get some end zone cameras that would be great

You wouldn't know anything about that "Success Factor" thing...

Agree to disagree on this. I think it was targeted at 2-3 central Indiana teams. It's like the school teacher punishing the entire class because little Johnny acted up the day they had a substitute.

He was a tough dude no doubt. I may send him a graduation card in joy

#Fakenews sounds like Puff who predicted North Daviess running back would have scored 4 times and had 300 yards in 09. Why would someone from New Haven come in with the hot take of the week that SA would beat LCC's butt? The problem with that hot take..........................We'll never know because SA couldn't kick the butt of AC when it actually mattered. [2009] Lafayette Central Catholic (Lafayette, IN) 42, [2009] Fountain Central (Veedersburg, IN) 21 [2010] Lafayette Central Catholic (Lafayette, IN) 35, [2010] Fountain Central (Veedersburg, IN) 20

The success factor achieved it’s goal. P/P’s no longer win 4 of the 6 titles.

I've seen both Lutheran and Central Catholic play. Lutheran is better. This is not 2011. This is 2019. If Central Catholic gets past the Flying Jets, they will go back to Lafayette 5-1 at Lucas Oil Stadium.

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Tragic.

Chatard could have made an argument in 3A in the early 2000s. Roncalli as 3A in 1999 and I believe 1992...don't quote me on the latter year. The Werner days at EC/Roncalli in 2004? In 2002 Chatard beat Heritage Hills who beat 4A champion Jasper. Only five classes then. 2007 McIntosh at Reitz probably would put up points in 6A, not sure about the defense though. I was at that CE game -- best HS football game I've ever seen.

The “Success Factor” to a degree has defaulted to the law of unintended consequences like so many “cures” do. Most ALL of the successful transitions have come from 4A with only Memorial in 3A making it stick as the exception. Still, all in all, it’s been a point of pride to teams. I think all of the 4A teams that have made it stick (or even gone up another class) are damn proud....although it has cost them some possible championships. Selfishly, I wouldn’t have seen probably the most entertaining HS game I have ever seen which was the New Pal/Snider State Championship a few years ago. It seems to be working for most. That said, we are still going to have the inevitable scheidtstorm of crying, b!tching, excuse-making, and moaning that will be the upcoming Heritage Hills v Chatard/Mishawaka Marian GID Thread (and any other public v. private game). It’s already started. I will say the same thing I have always said from the day it was announced, though. Just move every single P/P up a class and be done with it. I’m totally down with that. Then the tears and lamentations might stop.....except they won’t. I do think the problem today with what a I propose is that you have teams that have moved up (like New Pal) that would like to take an actual bite out of a MIC team in the playoffs as opposed to just a nibble in the regular season. Without the Success Factor, they are stuck down on the 4A “farm”. Ironically, some of the biggest advocates today might be those who have moved up wanting to strut their stuff.

Depends on what the expectation of the rule was. If it was making it where p/p teams can't win titles, then it didn't work. If the idea was to look at the idea that some teams have advantages whether they are p/p or sole options in a large market, or in affluent suburbs, or *fill in the blank* or just happen to have gotten better over time and "outgrown" their fishbowl, then I think the general idea is certainly workable. Of course, there are more instances of some of the wrong programs perhaps getting swept into the net approach, but that's more because the "holes in the net are too small ... make it four years and make winning a regional, or two sectionals, in the new class perhaps the minimum necessary to stay in a class and I think it ends up being more successful in addressing the issue regardless of p/p or public standing. As for what would have changed? I can't speak for all classes, but I can pretty much say that, in 1A, LCC would have, minimally, seven-peated from 2009-2015. I agree that it's not the best thing, again see the issues regarding length and remaining criteria, but if you look at 2012 - 2008 ... the five seasons before SF ... at a minimum, what you see respectively is six p/p with four winning, seven p/p with four winning, six p/p with four winning, three p/p with two winning, and five p/p with three winning ... BTW, note that these are all 5-class seasons. Just on the comparison of the two five-year periods, the data says that, 'yes' it works if the idea is to blunt p/p and, if the idea is a broader to effect a blunting of all teams with "advantages" or just progress that outgrows the fishbowl, then the answer would again be 'yes' ... with allowances that the short time period and remaining criteria could have caught a couple that shouldn't have perhaps been caught and perhaps released a couple that shouldn't have been released.

If 8 coaches can sit in a room and rank multiple wrestling weight classes in 1 night. Then 8 coaches can sit in a room and rank a Sectional in an hour. You dont need Sagarin, or anything like that.

Linton would have moved up on enrollment anyway. Give it another year and Pioneer will likely be back to put some potential balance back into things. Realize that while you are talking about making it smoother, the two years that LCC spent in 2A, , along with Scecina SF'd up to 2A too despite not having a state title win, made the road smoother for Tri-Central, Eastern Hancock, North Vermillion, and Pioneer to make it to 1A state in 2013 and 2014. This stuff is coming in cycles and you have to look at the totality rather than a single year. In 2013, the first year of LOS-influenced LOS appearances, five made it and three won. In 2014, three made it and one won. In 2015, three made it and three won. In 2016, three made it and three won. In 2017, only two p/p teams made it to LOS and one won. In 2018, only 2 p/p teams made it to LOS and only one won. The trending suggests decrease in p/p appearance for the last five years. The idea of "getting it wrong" has too few data points to make that determination yet and, more importantly, looking at a single season out of six makes this year actually look more like an anomaly or a start of a new cycle as opposed to a decision point for the success or failure of the policy. With that said, I think there's a preponderance of agreement that they length of the cycle should be longer ... perhaps 4 years ... and possibly the criteria for remaining elevated once moved up could also be changed.

If a team is able to make things happen when the chips are down, especially against the odds, I think that says much about them. This harkens to another thread whether the idea of "the best team always wins" and whether that's true or not was pretty much distilled down to, at least in my eyes, whether folks are talking in a holistic sense or in the moment. My thought is that, when we are talking tournament time and head-to-head competition, the only measure that matters at that point is in the moment. There are no "style points" for stats, ratings, schedule strength, etc. ... ultimately, it comes down to what you are able to do in that 48-minute period that determines who was the better team for that game. To look at items beyond that seems, at least to me, to do a disservice to the team that figured out how to make it happen. I think AC deserves to be recognized for doing what they did to take an opponent that had won a previous meeting by a four-TD margin and put up 42 points on the board and holding that team to a single TD and effectively shutting them out for three quarters. Barring things like injuries, like you said, teams make their own fates at this time of the season. It's been 20 years and a semi-state game since LCC and AC last met ... and the last time they did, LCC eventually ended up with a blue ring. We'll see how this year plays out as both teams work to make their own fate. Looking forward to Friday's game.

If New Pal wins this year which I believe they will, that’s 4 points. They still have to win a regional in 2020 and with the turnover on the team it will certainly be hard to get past their sectional and certainly their regional. I’d say most of the time that the top class is always the best, but I think Luers and Chatard have had teams in the past that could’ve won the 6A title. New Pal, Valpo, Cathedral and Chatard all could have won the 6A title this year. New Pal is probably best in state this year, though next year they’ll certainly see a drop off. It’s extremely hard to reload at the smaller schools, eventually you rebuild whereas the mega schools almost always reload.

LCC fell three points short in 2014 losing to eventual 2A state champion, RCHS, 17-14 in semi-state that year.

Those were down Chatard teams in 2016 and 2017, compared to their teams of the early-mid 2000's and early 2010's. I'm sure they'll be jumping for joy if they have to play Danville in LOS.

It was the make-up and the lighting. 😄 Lord, I apologize for that.

Just because a DE is in the backfield doesn't mean they pushed the Offensive Line around with no trouble. Just because there were 8 TFL's (4 sacks) doesn't mean they pushed the Offensive Line around with no trouble. It wasn't a statement to put down Evansville Memorial Defensive Line or Defense so you don't have to get defensive. It was actually a compliment that they had a great game plan utilizing the speed they had and not letting a big O-line get hands on and a push.

This system exists because of government intervention in the marketplace. This is what amazes me about watching presidential debates, career politicians bitching about our current system, which they created, and the answer is always more government intrusion into the marketplace. Irish you say it’s taking unethical advantage of the system, I would maintain it would be cheating the shareholders if businesses didn’t take every advantage of law to squeeze out all the profit they could. In 2016 all the pols wanted to bash Trump over this very issue, and he was playing by the rules they made.

South Adames was not the Jauggernaut peeps painted them to be... the Jets proved to b the more hardened team ...on the field...when it mattered most.... kudos to them.... would a stronger SOS have made SA less vulnerable to the Jets.... maybe.... will playing in the Hoosier Conf help Lcc.... I think it dose..... will it b enuff.... idk.....

1a players get their stats looked at differently because of the number in front of the A

Still paying that trip off !!!

yes sir, i like watching WB play ball too.

Don't comment too much on here, but here's my 2 cents...A school that builds a program with the enrollment they have, and dominates consistently, should not be punished because they succeed. Just my opinion. I don't understand the "success factor" at all. In my eyes it's the same as taking a 5A school that never wins a game and bumping them down a few classes so maybe they have a chance. It's ridiculous. You work with the numbers you have, some are better at it than others, that's life. It really affects the smaller programs more because typically you get a couple good classes, then they succeed for 5 or 6 years, then it's back to the usual. Just my opinion

That's odd. He didn't look that old when I saw him on Wheel Of Fortune.

Not necessarily. There are several ways the officials can handle a situation like that which would have prevented the defense from illegally consuming time.

Not to mention had the players that tackled the Woodlan QB just laid on him time would've expired and they never would've gotten the chance to kick that field goal 😁

Thanks! That is one quality operation they have their in Fort Wayne.

I thought Kyle Adams was legit. I believe he set a single game State Record for yards against Jeff.

I disagree. I think the winner will be the team that gives up fewer points. 😅🤣😂

I think it will come down to who scores the most points.

Two Guys Pies has great pizza and draft beer.

LOL. If you were actually at the game, you have a very faulty memory. Woodlan winning that game was one of the more miraculous endings I can remember. Eastbrook had the ball with a fresh set of downs in Woodlan territory with 4 minutes left and a 2 point lead. Miraculously, I think Eastbrook fumbles on 3 running plays in a row, recovering the first 2 but losing the 3rd. Still, Woodlan had the ball on their side of the field with under 3 minutes remaining and had not kicked a field goal all season and was able to kick one that was almost blocked by 2 Eastbrook players as time expires. Eastbrook was the best team in 2A that season. Give credit to Woodlan for finding a way to hang in and pull out a W but Eastbrook screwed up just about everything to give that game away.

It will be interesting to see how TC will stop the Webo Rushing attack. You can't stack the box with #7 back there.

Not just a terrific official, but also a social psychologist! https://www.simplypsychology.org/maslow.html

Doesn't mean that much to me, to mean that much to you.

This is so incredibly dumb

History is against Adams Central, but this could be a team that challenges that narrative. History is on Central Catholic's side, but they are no longer a Evil Empire. They are a whole different animal than previous teams. Will there be a home field advantage this time? Adam Central just took down a juggernaut while LCC won the easiest regional in 1A (no offense to North Judson fans, breathe and think before you attack) I take Adam Central in this one, 21-14

EN by a td.. Bailey Parker is impressive on both sides of the ball. I predict a high scoring game.

There are some good young coaches coming up in the WRC right now. None are Varsity head coaches yet, but they’ll be great when they get their chance. Robby Davis coaches WR/DB and is head JV coach at North Vermillion. Joe Culbreath is the head Jr High coach and Director of football operations for the 7-12 grade program at North Vermillion. Nate Bryan is OL/DL and DC at Parke Heritage. Scott Moore is the DC at Seeger. Look for all of these men to be successful when they get their shot.

Adam Berry Pioneer.

Bud Wright - Sheridan ( not a day over 21 years old)