thanks....sounds like we had different experiences as it was more than comradery for my children and myself. I guess my expectation is that good coaches should teach you more than the game, as most people will stop playing the game when high school ends, so what does a person really take with them to apply to life? I don't think it matters if the entity is a private or public, as I think we'd all agree that much of education occurs outside of the classroom. Maybe call it a tangible benefit, such as icing on a cake.