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18 hours ago, qbcoach13 said:

Updated prediction for sectional alignments.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/1/viewer?mid=1tvJ-o3tt6pEhP9Vf6JfHXRZGG-vN7t0&ll=39.84319248108072%2C-86.34990215&z=7

Unsure as to why the 6A would change how they have been in the past…??? It’s the same schools with additions ones that slot right in in the north. Don’t see IHSAA switching sectionals up that much.

The majority of high school AD’s do not have quality or good high school football programs. For those ADs at those schools, it was an easy no brainer vote to turn it down. They prefer the random draw because they do not want to get stuck playing the best seeds and teams each and every year. It’s not right, it’ll be very difficult to ever get past this ancient random draw rule.

7 hours ago, WestfieldRocks said:

The HCC did not want another schedule against all conference teams. They had that back when the three Lafayette schools, pre Franklin Central, were in the conference. 

Could’ve gone with 7 games and just rotate each year. Should’ve been voted in.

21 minutes ago, WestfieldRocks said:

Westfield has another "cupcake" schedule 🙂

Opening game at Center Grove

Week 2 home against Carmel

Then that always easy HCC schedule

Should’ve been the entire HCC. HCC schools did not want to vote CG or Carmel in. This is what it would have looked like if a 9 game schedule would have been voted on.

More money. Less pressure. Really good football coach he was and a great program he was building. 

7 hours ago, Frozen Tundra said:

Do you happen to know why?

Nope. Heard through the grapevines from a couple head coaches and assistants from within the MIC.

13 hours ago, HoopsCoach said:

Possibly. It would be a tough sell for the Terre Haute schools.  They would be a competitive fit in most sports but the distance to Terre Haute is a significant obstacle to membership in almost any conference.

When it was first announced that Harrison and McCutcheon were out of the NCC, I thought they could fit well in Conference Indiana. Adding those two schools would either save the conference or be the final step to kill it.  Ignoring geography, it would have made some sense.

Southport	2368
Columbus North	2267
Harrison	2169
McCutcheon	1786
Bloomington South	1656
Terre Haute South	1609
Bloomington North	1558
Terre Haute North	1467

I think Southport wants to be in the MIC, and maybe Columbus North goes with them to get in together.  Columbus could join the Hoosier Hills instead if they can be in the same conference as Columbus East.  Not sure what the Bloomington schools do. Maybe try to get into the Mid-State or Hoosier Hills.  The Terre Haute schools would fill in the enrollment gap between the members of the Sagamore if they joined (along with West Lafayette).

Harrison	2169
McCutcheon	1786
Terre Haute South	1609
Terre Haute North	1467
Lebanon	1033
Danville	820
West Lafayette	750
Tri-West	606

Southport was offered a spot in the MIC within the last school year and turned it down.

20 hours ago, qbcoach13 said:

8 Class System. Week 1 starts on current scrimmage week. Not all teams have to start week 1. Rolling bye weeks to cut down on number of official crews needed every week.  Cuts down on enrollment gaps. 

8A
1	Carmel	5200
2	Ben Davis	4567
3	Warren Central	3748
4	Fishers	3664
5	North Central (Indpls.)	3616
6	Penn	3480
7	Avon	3476
8	Hamilton Southeastern	3442
9	Franklin Central	3362
10	Brownsburg	3297
11	Noblesville	3208
12	Pike	3192
13	Elkhart	3166
14	Crown Point	2978
15	Lake Central	2961
16	Center Grove	2893
7A
1	Lawrence North	2817
2	Westfield	2789
3	Carroll (Fort Wayne)	2569
4	Indianapolis Arsenal Tech	2500
5	Homestead	2408
6	Lawrence Central	2404
7	Southport	2368
8	Perry Meridian	2359
9	Zionsville	2309
10	Columbus North	2267
11	Portage	2170
12	Harrison (West Lafayette)	2169
13	Fort Wayne Northrop	2158
14	Jeffersonville	2141
15	Fort Wayne Snider	1915
16	Indianapolis Cathedral	1172
6A
1	Valparaiso	2140
2	Warsaw	2108
3	Whiteland	2074
4	South Bend Adams	2062
5	Decatur Central	2050
6	Merrillville	2050
7	Lafayette Jefferson	2034
8	Goshen	2006
9	Chesterton	1980
10	Castle	1965
11	Hammond Central	1923
12	Floyd Central	1823
13	New Albany	1814
14	LaPorte	1812
15	McCutcheon	1786
16	Plainfield	1773
17	Evansville North	1751
18	Concord	1730
19	Anderson	1722
20	Seymour	1719
21	Bloomington South	1681
22	Terre Haute South	1609
23	Franklin Community	1590
24	Bloomington North	1589
25	Hammond Morton	1534
26	Michigan City	1520
27	Columbus East	1518
28	Munster	1514
29	Terre Haute North	1467
30	Kokomo	1465
31	Fort Wayne North Side	1460
32	East Central	1241
5A
1	Fort Wayne South Side	1459
2	Mt Vernon (Fortville)	1455
3	Greenfield-Central	1430
4	Mishawaka	1422
5	Fort Wayne Wayne	1416
6	Mooresville	1398
7	Northridge	1393
8	Huntington North	1382
9	Evansville Reitz	1378
10	Pendleton Heights	1353
11	Muncie Central	1332
12	Richmond	1320
13	Martinsville	1315
14	Hobart	1298
15	South Bend Riley	1298
16	Evansville Harrison	1293
17	Bedford-North Lawrence	1242
18	Logansport	1226
19	Greenwood	1211
20	New Palestine	1209
21	Indianapolis Crispus Attucks	1170
22	Jennings County	1169
23	Columbia City	1162
24	Indianapolis Shortridge	1159
25	Evansville Central	1131
26	Shelbyville	1093
27	Jasper	1092
28	Indianapolis Roncalli	1082
29	New Haven	1068
30	Plymouth	1054
31	Marion	1045
32	DeKalb	1044
4A
1	Lebanon	1033
2	East Chicago Central	1009
3	Gary West Side	995
4	East Noble	989
5	Kankakee Valley	989
6	Lowell	985
7	Highland	977
8	New Prairie	970
9	Silver Creek	943
10	Connersville	930
11	Fort Wayne Bishop Dwenger	917
12	Frankfort	901
13	Leo	900
14	Wawasee	895
15	Northview	894
16	Beech Grove	892
17	South Bend Washington	886
18	Boonville	884
19	NorthWood	869
20	Evansville Bosse	863
21	Charlestown	854
22	South Bend Saint Joseph	849
23	Culver Academies	832
24	Brebeuf Jesuit	829
25	New Castle	824
26	Danville	820
27	Hanover Central	817
28	Yorktown	812
29	Washington	810
30	Guerin Catholic	800
31	Jay County	800
32	Indianapolis Bishop Chatard	730

3A
1	Delta	798
2	Western	791
3	Mississinewa	783
4	Gibson Southern	771
5	Edgewood	761
6	Madison	760
7	Corydon Central	754
8	West Lafayette	750
9	Norwell	745
10	Angola	741
11	Mishawaka Marian	735
12	Lawrenceburg	726
13	Scottsburg	726
14	West Noble	718
15	Vincennes Lincoln	711
16	Crawfordsville	710
17	Hamilton Heights	687
18	Batesville	670
19	Twin Lakes	663
20	Greensburg	662
21	Franklin County	650
22	Owen Valley	650
23	Rushville	645
24	South Dearborn	645
25	Griffith	637
26	Indian Creek	636
27	Heritage Hills	635
28	John Glenn	633
29	North Harrison	629
30	Fort Wayne Concordia	623
31	Evansville Memorial	617
32	Hammond Bishop Noll	617
33	Indianapolis Washington	617
34	Heritage	616
35	Calumet	611
36	Bellmont	610
37	Tri-West	606
38	Maconaquah	604
39	Princeton	600
40	Peru	588
41	Purdue Polytechnic	578
42	Southridge	576
43	Mount Vernon (Posey)	574
44	Speedway	571
45	Fairfield	570
46	River Forest	567
47	Garrett	556
48	Northwestern	554
49	Cascade	546
50	Tippecanoe Valley	543
51	Lakeland	540
52	Jimtown	538
53	Oak Hill	538
54	Fort Wayne Bishop Luers	532
55	Frankton	531
56	Evansville Mater Dei	520
57	Knox	520
58	West Vigo	518
59	Woodlan	518
60	Benton Central	513
61	North Montgomery	513
62	Western Boone	513
2A
1	Centerville	512
2	Bluffton	507
3	Heritage Christian	507
4	Monrovia	503
5	Sullivan	503
6	Eastbrook	501
7	Eastern (Greentown)	499
8	Indianapolis Cardinal Ritter	498
9	Greencastle	495
10	Salem	494
11	Wabash	492
12	Blackford	490
13	Brown County	488
14	Manchester	475
15	Pike Central	474
16	Rochester	473
17	Bremen	471
18	Brownstown Central	469
19	Alexandria	468
20	South Vermillion	468
21	Triton Central	468
22	Boone Grove	466
23	Lapel	466
24	Switzerland County	464
25	Andrean	455
26	Tipton	454
27	Southmont	453
28	Indianapolis Scecina	448
29	Rensselaer Central	447
30	North Posey	442
31	North Putnam	432
32	Mitchell	430
33	Northeastern	423
34	Whiting	422
35	Prairie Heights	421
36	Park Tudor	421
37	Christel House Manual	420
38	Delphi	417
39	Wheeler	417
40	Elwood	410
41	Winchester	408
42	Adams Central	408
43	Tell City	403
44	Shenandoah	400
45	Paoli	396
46	Lake Station Edison	391
47	Union County	391
48	Eastern (Pekin)	389
49	Lewis Cass	389
50	Whitko	389
51	Linton-Stockton	387
52	Seeger	386
53	Central Noble	385
54	Clarksville	385
55	Eastside	384
56	Covenant Christian (Indpls.)	383
57	Crawford County	379
58	Churubusco	378
59	Eastern Hancock	377
60	Perry Central	377
61	Lafayette Central Catholic	302
62	Indianapolis Lutheran	267
1a
1	LaVille	373
2	Providence	371
3	Taylor	366
4	South Putnam	363
5	Winamac	360
6	South Adams	357
7	Parke Heritage	354
8	Forest Park	353
9	Hagerstown	352
10	South Spencer	352
11	Eastern Greene	351
12	North Knox	349
13	Madison-Grant	336
14	Sheridan	336
15	Clinton Prairie	327
16	Carroll (Flora)	321
17	Riverton Parke	320
18	North Newton	319
19	South Central (Union Mills)	318
20	Knightstown	316
21	Milan	315
22	North Decatur	314
23	North Judson	308
24	Monroe Central	301
25	Northfield	296
26	Fountain Central	289
27	Anderson Prep Academy	288
28	Pioneer	286
29	Tecumseh	286
30	Cloverdale	283
31	Fremont	283
32	Covington	281
33	Bowman Academy	277
34	West Washington	277
35	Triton	274
36	North Daviess	273
37	Fort Wayne Blackhawk Christian	270
38	Clinton Central	268
39	Springs Valley	266
40	South Decatur	265
41	North White	264
42	North Miami	263
43	Southwood	263
44	North Central (Farmersburg)	257
45	Tri	256
46	Southern Wells	252
47	Wes-Del	248
48	Culver	246
49	Union City	244
50	Caston	241
51	South Newton	241
52	Cambridge City Lincoln	234
53	Tri Central	232
54	Edinburgh	227
55	Greenwood Christian	222
56	Tri-County	220
57	North Vermillion	218
58	West Central	209
59	Indianapolis Tindley	202
60	Frontier	180
61	Attica	160

Boy I hope this never happens. What a joke that would be. 2 classes of 16 teams? Cmon

2 hours ago, NLCTigerFan07 said:

My best guess at 5A Sectional assignments. A lot of them are pretty easy, but a few outliers are going to make things interesting.

OBVIOUS
Sectional 9: Hammond Central, Hammond Morton, Merrillville, Munster
Sectional 10: Chesterton, LaPorte, Michigan City, Valparaiso
Sectional 11: Concord, Goshen, SB Adams, Warsaw

MAYBE?
Sectional 12: FW North, Kokomo, Lafayette Jefferson, McCutcheon

Down in 5A South is where things get a little weird. there are a lot of obvious 2-team groupings, but then what other 2-teams do they pair up with? My best guess will be:

MAYBE?
Sectional 13: Anderson, East Central, Franklin, Whiteland
Sectional 14: Decatur Central, Plainfield, Terre Haute North, Terre Haute South

OBVIOUS (Only because they are the same as the last cylce)
Sectional 15: Bloomington North, Bloomington South, Columbus East, Seymour
Sectional 16: Castle, Evansville North, Floyd Central, New Albany

5A south:

Plainfield, Decatur central, Whiteland, Franklin

Anderson, East Central, Seymour, Columbus East

terre haute n, terre haute s, Bloomington N, Bloomington S

Castle, Evansville N, Floyd, New Albany 

1 hour ago, US31 said:

I don't think football was the reason that most of these schools said "no" to CG....travel time in other sports with many weeknight events was the reason I heard more often.  Remember it wasn't too long ago that all of the big 3 Lafayette schools were in the HCC.  Travel time/cost was the reason they were given the boot.

I think most of the HCC schools would welcome the competition (and the gate money) from a CG regular season game.

Keep in mind HCC also voted down Carmel to join as well. Can’t blame that one on travel time. People tend to forget that. I think travel time is a poor excuse.

On 2/9/2024 at 3:35 PM, US31 said:

Could we find more HCC teams than MIC teams on the regular season schedule for CG in a few years?

I doubt it

Could you see a coach from the Indy area coming up to go after this position? Or do you think it’ll come from the northern part of the state?

Indystar just put out an article about the upcoming enrollments. Enrollments will be released in the coming days. Can’t wait. However, they said it would be end of April before the sectional alignments are determined. Man that seems like a long time period to configure those. 

20 hours ago, Slobberknocker said:

I could see CG scheduling a long-distance road game for last week of season now that they moved the Cathedral game up. That week falls during their fall break so traveling to a Friday night game would not be an issue.

What is CG’s schedule? Nothing is posted on John Harrell. I doubt CG wants to travel real far every year. Nobody does. It’s high school

4 hours ago, temptation said:

This is dumb.  My opinion.

Agreed. Play Indiana teams. Or schools that relatively nearby. Traveling 7 hours or so to play a short high school football game…cmon. As a fan, I’d rather see OUR INDIANA schools play.

1 hour ago, JustRules said:

For teams like Center Grove and Carmel who have to fill a schedule without the benefit of a conference it may be the only way they can find opponents. Center Grove is opening at home with a team from Baltimore. They had a hard time finding an opponent. This at least gives them more options.

Is Carmel still not playing CG?

On 1/3/2024 at 6:12 PM, Bobref said:

Lakewood (OH) St. Edward, enrollment 920 boys in 4 grades, 3 time defending Div. 1 champion, says, “hold my beer.” 🤣😂

I could give a rats behind about St. Edward football. This is indiana. Good for them in Ohio.

7 hours ago, NLCTigerFan07 said:

I dunno - they have selected/requested to be in 5A for YEARS at this point. I'm not sure why they would want to drop to 4A now, but also, when they made the decision in the past, Merrillville, Valpariaso, and Warsaw were all in 6A the majority of that time. Now with those schools in 5A north, I think you might be right, they may look to go into 4A finally.

If Mishawaka stay in 5A... Sectionals likely look like this

Sectional 9: Hammond Central, Hammond Morton, Merrillville, Munster

Sectional 10: Chesterton, LaPorte, Michigan City, Valparaiso

Sectional 11: SB Adams, Concord, Goshen, Mishawka

Sectional 12: Kokomo, Lafayette Jefferson, McCutcheon, Warsaw

5A south could go a number of different ways, but more liekly than not would be some combinantion of these groupings, but the below PAIRS would definitely be stuck together. There are a number of ways you could piece these sectionals together.

Anderson and East Central

Decatur Central and Plainfield

Terre Haute North and South

Bloomington North and South

Evansville North and Castle

Floyd Central and New Albany

Columbus East and Seymour

Whiteland and Franklin

 

However, if Mishawaka goes ahead and drops to 4A, you would just move Warsaw into their spot, and FW North Side would move up to 5A and into Warsaw's spot. Or you could interchange Warsaw and FW North Side I suppose.

Sectional 9: Hammond Central, Hammond Morton, Merrillville, Munster

Sectional 10: Chesterton, LaPorte, Michigan City, Valparaiso

Sectional 11: SB Adams, Concord, Goshen, Warsaw

Sectional 12: Kokomo, Lafayette Jefferson, McCutcheon, FW North Side

5A South if I had to bet..

Decatur Central, Plainfield, Whiteland, Franklin

Anderson, East Central, Columbus East, Seymour

Bloomington N, Bloomington S, Terre Haute N, Terre Haute S

Floyd Central, New Albany, Castle, Evansville N

5 hours ago, NLCTigerFan07 said:

I am betting they send Harrison to Sectional 1. I feel like there is precedent with sending Lafayette schools to "The Region". If that's the case, I'd see something like this

Sectional 1: Crown Point, Harrison, Lake Central, Portage

Sectional 2: Carroll, Elkhart, Penn, Snider (wow!)

Sectional 3: Fishers, Hamilton Southeastern, Homestead, Northrop

Sectional 4: Carmel, Noblesville, Westfield, Zionsville

This is what I’m thinking. As far as the South in 6A goes…should stay the same as these past 2 seasons.

Brownsburg, Avon, Pike, BD

North Central, LN, LC, Cathedral

Warren, Tech, Southport, Perry Meridian

Franklin Central, CG, Columbus North, Jeffersonville

2 minutes ago, Grover said:

Get your AD to play Center Grove.  We have a couple openings next year.

What’s the schedule looking like? Would love to see some Indy schools play CG. Not sure why they are holding out…

19 hours ago, ptr said:

Bloomington North's Scott Bless has retired after 19 years at North. His team went 9-1 in his last season. He was the last of the Bless brothers to hang it up.

Will they look internally? Is there somebody that has been on that staff for a while that is lifted up for it? Or will they look elsewhere?

Bloomington South vs Martinsville has been a long time. Goes back to before Bloomington schools were split.

3 hours ago, Grover said:

Whiteland has 59 fewer students than Northrop per 2022-24 enrollment numbers listed on the IHSAA web page. 

Sounds like they will be close. If not this upcoming realignment, then next.

2 hours ago, US31 said:

To be “technical”…Zionsville is further south than Carmel.

Carmel sits on 131st (Main) st…Zionsville sits on what would be 121st if it went all the way thru.  Both are further south than Westfield or Noblesville which both sit north of 32.  
 

HSE & Fishers always go together based on IHSAA desire to bracket schools in same district together.  They are both off of 126th on opposite sides of 69.

Of course IHSAA May decide to change things up and do something else for completely illogical reasons.🤷🏼‍♂️

I guess I get it, but I also don’t get it when always choosing to not split up schools from the same school district. Why would that be so illogical to send schools from the same district to 2 different sectionals. If it ever came down to it, and things were really based on north and south, why would it be such a a big deal to split schools in the same district up? Never fully understood why that is a priority of the IHSAA to keep district schools together.

2 hours ago, Bash Riprock said:

I may be wrong...I was told multiple years, but my source could have been mistaken.  

That’s what I was told as well. However, have heard a few rumors that Carroll is backing out after 2024 and found another team.

2 hours ago, US31 said:

Based on Snider and Laf Harrison (fairly confident assumption based on enrollement) moving up to 6A and Valpo being a "?"...is it possible for some big realignment in Sectionals 3 & 4?

Warsaw, Jeffersonville, Tech, and FW Northrop are currently the bottom  of 6A...if the right two of those drop out, you have a possibility of 2 "North" schools dropping to the "South".  I assume that would need to be Zionsville & Carmel, or HSE & Fishers.

I have a strong feeling at least one school from sectional 3 or 4 will go south next time.  Zionsville seems to be the one more often lumped in BBurg/Avon in the past.

Any word on Whiteland enrollment? Have seen and heard many state that Whiteland is only a matter of time before reaching 6A status for enrollment. Not sure how close they are. 

7 hours ago, Komets2727 said:

With Snider moving up to 6A, I would love to see Northrop take Snider’s spot in 5A and Snider take Northrop’s spot in 6A. If that is the case, it would be Snider, Homestead, HSE, and Fishers. Pretty good sectional in my opinion

If there are 2 or 3 moving up to 6A that fall in the North, then I believe as of the last numbers that the 2 or 3 that would move down would be from the North as well. This should not change too much as far as sectionals go. There might not be much change throughout.