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20 hours ago, Trojan12 said:
EC beats Moeller and people say Moeller wasn't trying.
Everyone praises New Pal and EC puts a running clock on them and now they're nobody.
Harrison(OH) wins 9 games and loses in regional semis and they're no good
EC running clocks 2 3a top team teams and now they're no good.
The mental gymnastics that some of you try to do is hilarious.
Occam's Razor
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12 minutes ago, Bobref said:
I saw the video. There was a late hit out of bounds that generated a scuffle, nothing more. I believe there were several disqualifications, and EC’s #20 was among them.
If the stories are to be believed, then it wasn't even the scuffle that got him the ejection, he had a previous unsportsmanlike penalty, and received a second, related to the scuffle, but not directly because of it.
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16 minutes ago, Southeast Football Fan said:
3. Shelbyville at Greensburg-The Blue Dragons, I mean Pirates get the Wes Anderson era off to a fast start with a big win riding an impressive running back and that New Pal clone zone running game to a big week one victory.
I think Shelbyville under a new coach this season as well (??), I'm going hot take here and taking the golden bears in the (not my opinion) upset. Will be a tough game though, Greensburg on their new turf this year.
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Just now, BTF said:
Chances are, the coaches and players who go 8-1 are probably putting in more time, especially in the off-season, than the team that went 2-7. You normally get out of life what you put into it. I think it's offending to to pair the two best teams on one side and the two worst teams on the other. In my opinion, it's a form of enabling...........no one gets better from that.
Oh I agree, I'm all in for seeding! I just think that there would still inevitably be upsets, no matter how the tournament is set up. So we should at least reward the teams that did perform during the regular season with home game(s).
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12 minutes ago, BTF said:
The team that went 8-1 deserves to play another week more so than the team that went 2-7
I wouldn't say they deserve to play another week, but certainly deserve to be at home. If a 2-7 wins then they deserved it too. Seeding the tourney won't take away from your "Cinderella" stories, I think that it would only enhance them! As you (all have) said it will make the regular season mean more!
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6 hours ago, Southeast Football Fan said:
It is pretty clear that EC is the overwhelming favorite in the EIAC Big School Division
There's no doubt about that😅
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Nothing good to talk about at the barber shop up in St. Leon this week huh?
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42 minutes ago, oldtimeqb said:
The entire study is available on Google Scholar if anyone wants to read the whole thing.
Could you post the link?
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Why does it appear that all of this conference movement is occurring from Indianapolis and north? There are a few conferences in the south that could use some adjustment IMO. Anyone have any theories or insight?
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On 4/14/2023 at 6:04 PM, HoopsCoach said:
Jeff fits competitively in the NCC in most sports. They will ignore the travel time and abandon their Tippecanoe County neighbors because they see the opportunity to be the top dog in the NCC for football. They will compete just fine in basketball and most other sports.
Harrison was the only true target of this move. Jeff was on board with it because they don’t like that Harrison has leap frogged them in every sport including boys basketball and football. McCutcheon hasn’t and would honestly be a good fit to stay in the NCC. I think the NCC schools even asked McCutcheon to stay but they were loyal to their district sibling.
The problem for Harrison and McCutcheon is that they want to be a package deal, but there aren’t many schools that would want both of them in their conference. Harrison’s enrollment has grown at a faster rate than McCutcheon’s and their athletic programs are stronger across the board. McCutcheon might struggle in some conferences that would take Harrison, but Harrison may not get much competition in conferences that are a better fit for McCutcheon.
In my opinion, this could have been avoided by taking a more progressive approach. Expand the conference to include a blend of the current members and some slightly smaller schools within the NCC footprint. Conference championships really don’t mean anything, they are just used to keep some people quiet when a team underachieves in the state tournament. “Well, we did win conference….” Anyway, my thought would be to add several schools to get to 16 members. Split into 2 regions (East and West), each with two divisions (Large and Small). Like this, with enrollments from the fall 2022 count day included.
East Region, Large Division:
Anderson 1790
Marion 1041
Muncie Central 1326
Richmond 1317
East Region, Small Division:
Delta 786
Mississinewa 791
New Castle 836
Yorktown 791
West Region, Large Division:
Harrison 2136
Kokomo 1497
Lafayette Jeff 2113
McCutcheon 1825
West Region, Small Division:
Lebanon 1027
Logansport 1241
Western 819
West Lafayette 730
In football, each school plays the 3 in their division, 2 from the other division in their region, and 1 from each of the 2 divisions on the opposite side of the conference. That gives each school 7 conference games. It also allows them to preserve some long-time rivalries and still play 2 non-conference games against opponents of their choice. In basketball, each team plays everyone in their region (east/west) and the 4 schools from the opposite side of the conference who play in the same size-based division. So using Harrison as an example, they would play their division (Jeff, McCutcheon, Kokomo), region (Lebanon, Logan, Western, West Lafayette), and the East Large schools (Anderson, Marion, Muncie Central, Richmond). New Castle would play their division (Delta, Mississinewa, Yorktown), region (Anderson, Marion, Muncie Central, Richmond), and the West Small schools (Lebanon, Logan, Western, West Lafayette). I think this would serve a lot of the interests of all schools in the expanded NCC. The toothpaste is already out of the tube though, and many of these schools would not go for this anyway.
So where do they go? I don’t have a clue. Conference Indiana might make sense if it wasn’t so far to travel for the current members. Adding Harrison and McCutcheon would bring the conference to 8 members, which is ideal. It also has a mix of schools that would fit the competitive level of McCutcheon (Southport, THN, THS) and schools that would compete better with Harrison (BL North, BL South, and CN). Those schools probably won’t even consider adding Harrison and McCutcheon due to travel, and the current members seem to be looking for other places to go already. Another possibility is to partner with the Indy parochial schools in the Circle City Conference. If they look north, they would fit nicely in the Duneland. Travel would be a concern with the added factor of time zone changes, and the Duneland schools probably have no desire to expand. The Mid-State would be ok also, but like the Duneland, I don’t think they want more than 8 members.
This is a very solid plan. I think those HHC teams would do well in a situation such as that, and that actually shortens some of their travel times, as it does for the bigger schools. I think it also helps prepare all of them for the tournament, especially in football and basketball. Most of the schools in the purposed eastern division already play each other frequently anyhow.
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Woah... this is BIG...
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20 minutes ago, HoosierFB_JG said:
Ben Davis will bring in national power IMG Academy on September 8, replacing Center Grove on their 2023 schedule.
BD has a loaded roster this upcoming year, but IMG will be an incredible challenge.
Is there an article to verify this? I think IMG isn't apart of the FHSAA...I think that would make them ineligible to compete against BD. Could be wrong.
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2 minutes ago, GoodKn19ht said:
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17 minutes ago, ragdoll said:
So, scheduling a home and home with St. Edward would still be out of bounds for Indy teams?
Shouldn't be, If you mean St Ed in Ohio, that's with in 300 miles of the NE Indiana boarder. I'm pretty sure they compete in the OHSAA and are in good standing.
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Really enjoyed this clinic last time, looking forward to the sequel. Great information for a guy who is trying to be a Head Coach in the near future!
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4 minutes ago, US31 said:
SF is rolling 4 year cycle.
Call me uninformed, but what do you mean by rolling 4 year cycle?
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I saw via his twitter, Family time and personal health were the key factors.
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With 2 minutes left in the game, nobody's Norwell-Yorktown predictions have aged well... Regardless of the outcome, #gotigers
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1 hour ago, btownqbcoach1 said:
Thanks guys! I will update accordingly. Wonder if Batesville/Franklin Co getting turf will force Greensburg? Hmm
As someone who coaches a few outdoor sports in the conference, I hope so! Maybe force Connersville's hand also.
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1 hour ago, NE8Fan said:
19. (8): Angola, Columbia City, DeKalb, East Noble, Fort Wayne South Side, Fort Wayne Wayne, Leo, New Haven
5 NE8 teams in the same sectional with close to possibly 6 if Norwell would have went 4A. Is this the most conference teams that are in the same sectional in the state?
The EIAC in sectional 32 has 6 teams. SD and L'Burg will inevitably play week 9 and 10.
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11 hours ago, Lysander said:
I”ll ask the same (apparently idiotic) question I’ve been asking since this whole debate started.
Just why can’t the adjustment be made until the end of the two year period (at the end of next year) as it should have been done normally?
Why the urgency to make bumps/drops/adjustments a year early?
If I were a conspiracy guy I would say that its all because the IHSAA just couldn’t wait to bump Cathedral to 6A and had to validate that decision somehow…..but then I’m no conspiracy guy…..
With that, I’m as ticked off as anybody about Chatard getting moved down to 3A. I really thought they could make a deep run in 4A this year….almost certainly next year (if they could have stayed “up”). Still, 3A has been a heckuva class the last few years and, apparently, Chatard is back in it.
Looks like only Memorial will have the honor of pulling off the 3A/4A championship run for the time being.
I'll tell you, as a coach at a 3A school, that has been shrinking for the last several years, we are tired of having an enrollment of ~680 and facing schools with enrollment of 1100+. Presumably a few other schools in similar situations, so we are pretty pumped about the change.
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South Dearborn High School in Aurora, Indiana is looking to host 3 teams for a 7v7 on Wednesday, June 15th from 5p-7p on the turf field. This will be a light competition, each team will compete with each other for 30 minutes. (15 min offense/ 15min defense) Any Interested teams, please contact myself (kenny.higgins@sdcsc.k12.in.us) or HC Rand Ballart (rand.ballart@sdcsc.k12.in.us)
SD football boosters will provide hot dogs, chips and water for visiting teams following the competition.
Hicks: Indiana needs another wave of school consolidation - Affect on Indiana High School Football?
in The Indiana High School Football Forum
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Just for my personal clarification purposes, the original article was referencing corporation enrollment correct? I have seen this conversation shift to high schools and consolidation at that level, and it has become a little convoluted for me.