temptation

1 hour ago, Rodney said:

Hoe confident you feeling this year

 

I'll take indy and u can have everyone else and 19 points

Lemme see how the transfer portal works out this summer.

I’ve been asking for parity in 6A since its inception…finally gotten it in terms of a state finals matchup…now the next step is for someone out of the metro area to be competitive in that state finals matchup.

2 hours ago, BLACKGOLD2007 said:

Oh boy, a feel a firestorm brewing.... you mentioned one of those buzzwords that lands in a heated debate...Thoughts and prayers. 

That "buzzword" seems to trigger many folks as if it is demeaning of programs and coaches that do not have to "worry" about such a thing but its real and shouldn't be marginalized or overlooked.

1 hour ago, BLACKGOLD2007 said:

I agree there are reasons to be excited about the progression of the best teams in 6A North, but right now I am putting money down on the House. Betting odds are in their favor, it is up to the other schools to go and take it. It is like the BIG10 and the SEC. It took a generational team in Michigan to finally beat Bama and a hot team in OSU to win in 2014. 

Sometimes lightening in a bottle can win you a title, sometimes you finally have to horses to do it, but no one has sustained success like the SEC... I mean Metro Indy.  

You sure it wasn't the "sign stealing", lol?

(Sorry, I had to.)

2 minutes ago, BLACKGOLD2007 said:

The school allowed fans on the field area....Fans started pouring in as the game wound down, so me and a couple friends ran out there. 

It was wild. The kick goes up and by, the Penn fans go nuts because it went left, then he walks out and calls it good, and then Valpo fans go crazy because they were just given the biggest win of the year. 

correct, coaching and talent always helps. 

Penn was able to overcome some talent issues in the 90's and early 00s with Hall of Fame coaching from top to bottom. 

Coaching, talent, socioeconomics, youth league development, other job responsibilities for the coaching staff, facilities, etc...

18 minutes ago, BLACKGOLD2007 said:

Well lets be perfectly honest, since the inception of 6A, only 4 teams have won 6A state titles out of the possible 11 chances. The teams they played in those 11 games from the true North are Penn, Carroll and CP. that is 4 of the 11 games. Metro Indy has represented the North by either Carmel or Westfield. 

Out of those 4 games Penn, believe it or not, has been the closest to winning the actual game. Now that was a different era of Penn football. But, looking at the results since 6A has started the North has not performed well against Metro area teams.

Snider last year has been, I think the best team to come out of the North, that is including runner up CP last year. I think Snider would have performed better against Ben Davis than CP had. But, last years Snider Team may have been the best North team in 10 or so years. 

We don't stack up with them, because they see the ringer week in and week out regardless of recent success against the HCC. Until the 6A North actually changes how they schedule, we will continue to come up short against them. Even then, History has not been in our favor since 2000. (that was the last North title with all the best teams in the same class)

I think that the schedule strength argument is part of the equation but not the end all be all.

54 minutes ago, BTF said:

It happens. I felt the same way about Snider/Valpo in 2022. I'm sure HSE fans felt that way against Carroll last season. I felt that way when Dwenger lost to Zionsville a few years back. Sometimes enough happens for the underdog to sneak out the win. Painful to watch when you think you have a championship caliber team and they don't get it done. What shocks me more than anything is that the HCC is on a two year losing streak to "true north."

Agree.

15 minutes ago, BTF said:

Agree, like how Carroll showed up the season before. More on that game if you want to PM me. I just don't think it would have mattered who Ben Davis played from the north. Talent, plus turf, plus perfect weather environment = unstoppable machine. Do you think Westfield was on par with Brownsburg and Center Grove? They just had an off night? Trust me, I understand off nights. They exist. The best team doesn't always win. 

I mean, it’s easy to cherry pick data points to fit a narrative, but I remember how shocked I was the night that the much hyped clash between Brownsburg and Westfield (on Westfield’s turf I mind you) was over in the first half.

So, looking back no.  I don’t think Westfield was on the level of BD, Brownsburg or CG.  But I still thought they were a tier above Crown Point.

10 minutes ago, BTF said:

It's just a matter of time before the HCC comes through. Still the top conference from top to bottom. If the HCC wanted to, they could make a claim that they had the best team in the state last season. They just didn't finish the job. 

I had Westfield in the next eight, I'm not sure which list you're referring to? 

Even though I know you are right, I’ve been repeating your first line for the last 5-6 years.  They are still on the door step and weren’t even on the right side of the property line a decade ago.  The HCC has actually won a majority of regular season head to head games against the MIC over the past 2-3 years but has choked when it matters.

I was not being critical of your list rather replying to the fact that the previous poster claimed HSE, Fishers or Westfield would have given BD a better fight.

I thought so all season last fall and Crown Point simply showed up when it mattered.

5 minutes ago, BTF said:

Everyone keeps saying that, yet they've stalled at semi-state two years in a road. I'm not sure anyone out of the northern bracket would have come within 21pts last year. Ben Davis, firing on all cylinders in a perfect weather environment, was unstoppable. I think Ben Davis and Brownsburg were in a league of their own with Center Grove just on the outside looking in. Throw the next eight teams (no particular order), HSE, Fishers, Westfield, Crown Point, Snider, Chatard, Cathedral, and East Central into a blender. 

Yeah, I’m not sure you can include Westfield in that list since they lost to Crown Point though that result shocked me.

Then, you add in the fact that Westfield beat HSE and HSE beat Fishers…

Ive been overly brash about the HCC too many years in a row now.  Brownsburg broke me and now Westfield seems to be trending that way.

They’ve gotta win one soon, right?

48 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

Has this individual admitted to having sockpuppets?  If not, how was this allegation proven?

 

His poor grammar, spelling and wild hot takes make it so damn obvious.

Hopefully a PUBLIC school emerges...

Lord, I DON'T apologize for anything.

1 minute ago, BTF said:

Me or you?

Well me, can't speak for you but I believe you are too.

43 minutes ago, BTF said:

I still think they are an 8-12 team based on performance:

They lost to #7 Snider (if they were in 6A) by 3pts. Difference in the game was two pick 6's for Snider

They lost to #5 HSE by 14. Difference was two pick 6's by HSE. 

They beat #11 Warren Central by 4pts. 

They wasted #20 Homestead ("mid pack") by 21.

I think all being said, Warsaw's victory over Carroll was impressive. I would call Carrall "upper level caliber 6A". I'm defining "upper level" as top third. 

A big fan of Carroll's program.

19 minutes ago, CoachMack219 said:

This can't be happening. 😂 Lol I defend the Govs almost everywhere I go. No way I can defend naming them a top 10 team in 5A. Gotta earn that first and while the Govs have the ability, and schedule, to EARN making it into the top 10, they're gonna HAVE TO prove it (like we all do). 

I am not even talking about "HIS" rankings.  I am talking about "HIM" posing as a mother of football players.

On 4/13/2024 at 9:11 AM, Footballmomma said:

I have been around region football since I was 5. Watching my brothers and now my sons grow up and play. We have always be fascinated with the talent level in the area. But I wanted to attempt to take a stab at 5A and see what you guys are 💭.

 

1. Decatur central (was state runner up)

2. Merrillville (north semis runner up)

3. Valpo (regional runner up to #2)

4. Bloomington south (semi runner up)

5. Whiteland (regional runner up) 

6. Lafayette Jefferson (down from 6A) 

7. East central (back to back state titles 4A)

8. Warsaw( down from 6A)

9. Bloomington north

10. Hammond Morton (multiple D1s back)

 

feel like some of these can be switched but I think the top 2 are perfect? What do you guys think. (Doing one for 3A shortly) 

Man, this is some great stuff right here.

Mental illness on full display.

13 minutes ago, BDGiant93 said:

Ben Davis was a really good football team last year, but Brownsburg or Center Grove could have won it all too. The Giants were just a little better/luckier on that particular night. It was going to be one of those three or even Cathedral in 6A. Respectfully, no one in the North was going to win State last year as good as CP was.

2/2 today sir!  Spot on.

4 minutes ago, BDGiant93 said:

I was just wondering what was considered Indy. 🤣

Oh, I know.  A harmless question, but there are no harmless questions with him.

1 hour ago, BDGiant93 said:

What are we defining as "Indy"?

Please don't encourage him.

"footballmomma", lol.

On 4/13/2024 at 7:54 PM, Irishman said:

Or maybe you are responding TO that guy??? 

This.  The grammar makes it a dead giveaway.

On 4/9/2024 at 3:50 PM, BTF said:

The key to 6A success is seeing two Indy area teams during the regular season. That wasn't the case in the 80's and 90's when there were only 3-5 good teams out of Indy.  Fast forward two decades and the landscape has changed, now there are 10-15 good teams from Central Indiana.  Kids in Indy are no more talented than kids in any other area of the state, but I think they are a little more hardened by way of the schedule they play week in and week out. If you don't see that level of toughness during the regular season, it's like running into a brick wall in the postseason. There's one particular program that would probably argue this logic, but I think it'll work for most programs. 

Homestead agrees.

Remember when this woman was going to “break glass ceilings?”

14 hours ago, Coach Nowlin said:

For me, the sources of the information coming out matter.   For instance, would I tend take what Colin Cowherd or Skip Bayless opinion on CW or would I think former College/NFL greats who are still involved in the business opiniion when it comes to leadership, player performance, attitude etc? 

 And I believe when you say your watching of college football and that is fine

Once again, watching the headlines last 2 weeks get out of control during the time period of Combine to Draft where the majority of these "hit" pieces generates from is what caused me to comment in this thread in the first point with a counterpoint opposite of yours and others opinion on CW, the player, person, leader.  

You know, fact was, I put COKE first, because yes, its clear cut, however, since it was tenuous discussion, felt the need to put a poor leader of beverages, a beverage with no skill, leadership, and other negative traits out there for that reaction.  Felt it was needed.   No argument, Coca-Cola over all 

 

I agree with this:   Reason:  unlike every other Chicago Bears rookie QB, they actually will have surrounded him with actual bonafide NFL offensive players to throw and hand the ball off to along with a skilled, productive defense.   Those are the reasons why I believe they can make the playoffs with him as a ROOKIE QB.  Won't be easy with the division on the upswing, and health and OL development is still paramount, but the bears organization as a whole is in far better shape with roster, talent, cap space and skill then previous 10 years.  

I guess I see your point but there are just so many fluff pieces and copy and paste type quotes said by media members and other folks who simply want to toe the line and avoid controversy that it makes my head spin.  
 

I don’t have time to comb through who is genuine and who has marching orders from their bosses.

There are countless examples of athletes who are forced down our throats by certain individuals more so than others.  I’ll continue to form my own opinion based on what I see.

Great thing about this debate is that eventually the results on the field will prove one of us right.

42 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

What would constitute a successful rookie season for young Mr. Williams in the NFL?  For me it would to start every game and the Bears make the playoffs.  If one of those doesn't happen he will be a failure.  With all the hype I've read such an outcome is certainly possible.

 

 

Seems ambitious but as mentioned above, I am far from an NFL guy.

1 hour ago, Coach Nowlin said:

Negative statement on why you feel CW is not going to be successful  

Clear cut statement that you do believe in his leadership ability,  

Yes you didn't call him a loser, correct, you have questioned his leadership citing only thing as crying on national tv after a loss.   

See above, you inferred this, YES< you win, sir, you did not type "POOR LEADER". you implied a through and through 

"did not capture essence of leadership for me".   Your opinion, however, that is a negative statment clearly implying that moment was not up to snuff for you and you inferred questioning his leadership ability.   

 

"stuck a nerve comments".  I am too emotional comment.  

Lets address this: 

 

So.  I come on this thread about Bears, I read from @Bash Riprockand @temptation commentary on why you both think and have poked at CW as a football player with his poor performance in 1 game, (I showed a thread of other GREAT QBs having a bad college game to debunk that narrative regurgitated from the national clicks and now I have provided a throughal counter point questioning his "crying' his leadership from others who are far more connected to this guy, college and football overall than any of us here. 

Because I have done that, I am now obsessed with your opinion because I have a different one and have shown with other sources why your opinion could be rooted in falsehood from a negative national media narrative.    Exactly why I posted the Herbie clip from McAfee from a few days ago, sums exactly what happens for guys like... Caleb Williams.  and wait for it..a guy like Zach Edey..... and of course a gal like Caitlin Clark

Those 3 players are the BEST players in their respective sports, both you can argue have been the BEST for 2 consecutive years.   Because of that, they are targets for negative clickbait gotta fill space and make money articles and narratives to discredit they work they have done on the field so that content is available to make money.   I feel like yourself and temptation have followed those narratives, which I used the world Lazy..   that is my opinion on it.    I view this threw a different lens you have and that is fine too, but to dismiss all the info I have provided as me somehow rage posting in this scenario is just not accurate.   

 

Why are our "narratives" click bait whereas what McAfee and Herbstreit say is the gospel?  Can't pick and choose.

I long ago gave up on ESPN to provide unbiased journalism so I am not sure why I am now supposed to simply blindly believe their "reporting" and opinion pieces.

I watched enough college football this season with my educated eyes to make an informed opinion.  I don't need others to form one for me.