Bash Riprock

She’s a beaut Clark!

what say everyone?  Wonder if we will see Reg as part of the Heisman House commercials??

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/40014492/reggie-bush-heisman-trophy-returned

On 4/22/2024 at 1:11 PM, Muda69 said:

Wait, so we lefties are now a protected class?  When did that happen?

 

I don' believe his reference was to left-handed people....then again, I think you knew that.......

14 hours ago, Muda69 said:

No, it wasn't just locker room talk. 

He already issued an apology gonzoron.  What more do you want for Mr. Doyel?  A suspension?  A firing?

 

Did his apology truly feel sincere to you??

Also, even if sincere, is an apology enough?  Does it wipe the slate clean?

I think with Mr. Doyel, its bigger because of his track record.  He goes at others for a variety of social issues without reservation.  He's been brutal to others and as such, is not a fan favorite.  Had his methods been different with his treatment of people, perhaps response to his 2 gaffe's last week would have been different as well.

2 hours ago, Muda69 said:

Mr. Doyel will probably be suspended or even fired by the woke Indy Star for this faux pas.

 

He also apologized in his latest column, but I guess those are not good enough anymore.  Woke American society demands it's pound of flesh for any transgression:     https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/columnists/gregg-doyel/2024/04/17/caitlin-clark-im-so-sorry-on-wednesday-i-was-part-of-the-problem/73364922007/

 

 

No one in my mind has been more woke than Doyel over the years, especially going beyond sports to dive at political issues such as covid vaccines,  (picking on certain athletes while letting others off the hook) civil war monuments, gun control, etc.  Hard to earn much empathy from the local  reader base when they have read his countless attacks over the years in the Star and on social media. His apologies through the Star and social media....many not sure they are sincere.

Live by the sword...die by the sword.....

Surprised nothing said this week with Doyel repeatedly making poor comments regarding Clark.  Tons on social media and national news services...mainly going after Doyel hard.

Doyel trying to apologize on social media, but not sure having an impact.  Thoughts??

21 hours ago, Bobref said:

It means nothing of the sort.

I think his comment was in jest/sarcasm.  

Innocent on the criminal side....considered liable for the murders on the civil side.....and ordered to pay $33M.  Always found that one interesting to say the least......

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/13/us/oj-simpson-damages.html

3 hours ago, Muda69 said:

O.J. Simpson dead at 76, family announces: https://sports.yahoo.com/oj-simpson-dead-at-76-family-announces-144012008.html

A sad day for football fans.

 

2 hours ago, Muda69 said:

I thought starting all 17 regular season games and a playoff berth are now the normally expected goals of a first round QB, especially the #1 pick.

 

huge learning curve in year one for any drafted QB...including year 1.  I don't thnk Manning took the Colts to the playoffs in year 1.  He also has to have the tools around him.  

2 hours ago, Coach Nowlin said:

Negative statement on why you feel CW is not going to be successful  

Clear cut statement that you do believe in his leadership ability,  

Yes you didn't call him a loser, correct, you have questioned his leadership citing only thing as crying on national tv after a loss.   

See above, you inferred this, YES< you win, sir, you did not type "POOR LEADER". you implied a through and through 

"did not capture essence of leadership for me".   Your opinion, however, that is a negative statment clearly implying that moment was not up to snuff for you and you inferred questioning his leadership ability.   

 

"stuck a nerve comments".  I am too emotional comment.  

Lets address this: 

 

So.  I come on this thread about Bears, I read from @Bash Riprockand @temptation commentary on why you both think and have poked at CW as a football player with his poor performance in 1 game, (I showed a thread of other GREAT QBs having a bad college game to debunk that narrative regurgitated from the national clicks and now I have provided a throughal counter point questioning his "crying' his leadership from others who are far more connected to this guy, college and football overall than any of us here. 

Because I have done that, I am now obsessed with your opinion because I have a different one and have shown with other sources why your opinion could be rooted in falsehood from a negative national media narrative.    Exactly why I posted the Herbie clip from McAfee from a few days ago, sums exactly what happens for guys like... Caleb Williams.  and wait for it..a guy like Zach Edey..... and of course a gal like Caitlin Clark

Those 3 players are the BEST players in their respective sports, both you can argue have been the BEST for 2 consecutive years.   Because of that, they are targets for negative clickbait gotta fill space and make money articles and narratives to discredit they work they have done on the field so that content is available to make money.   I feel like yourself and temptation have followed those narratives, which I used the world Lazy..   that is my opinion on it.    I view this threw a different lens you have and that is fine too, but to dismiss all the info I have provided as me somehow rage posting in this scenario is just not accurate.   

 

I am beginning to think you might just be CW's agent......

I am going to be a clear as i can....yes, some of William's past actions...have me question his maturity and overall leadership abilities and readiness.  Questioning is not stating.  Questioning causes me pause.  Your Bears GM may feel totally opposite.

Glad Herbie and McAfee are on board...but I bet if you use your favorite search engine, you will find others that have on and off-the field concerns.  I am not sure I agree based on CW's performance last year an unbiased person would call him the best of his sport over the past 2 seasons....especially last season.

That being said...hope you are correct and he's a great selection for your Bears.  While I have pause due to concerns with leadership, doesn't mean the other decision-makers that count do.  Again, not so sure why you are fixated on my thoughts.

Good luck running the CW fan club....you never know...I may seek you out for membership information in the future.

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/caleb-williams-doesnt-talk-media-following-ucla-loss-draft/

Williams is confident. That much is clear when he does interviews. As talented as he is, he has every reason to be confident. But we’ve seen confidence devolve when circumstances change at the NFL level, and that mental swing can be hard to recover from.

When the meter turns, and it’s Williams’ turn to stand in front of the media after a tough loss, NFL evaluators will want to know if he can avoid controversy, preserve the team’s focus, and keep his own mental composure.

Those concerns, as irrational and unvalidated as they may be at this point, are real among NFL decision-makers, who are charged with mitigating risk just as much as acquiring franchise-changing talent. For that reason, they can’t be dismissed.

Teams in contention for the top quarterbacks in the 2024 NFL Draft class may look at Maye on the other side of the aisle and see a QB who more closely exemplifies what they look for in a “face of the franchise” entity.

Whether that’s right or wrong, things like front-facing composure, mental fortitude, and focus can make a difference for personnel executives and coaches who will be working with these QBs day in and day out.

18 hours ago, Bobref said:

In fairness, I think we should entertain the possibility that this is simply a generational thing. So much is different now from the “good old days” that I can conceive of the combination of great skill and “now” generation sensitivities being compatible, and not a hindrance.

Look at me, all silver lining …

Generational stereotype?  Perhaps for sports...although I haven't seen it a ton.  As I mentioned earlier, clearly not a taught or expected leadership trait for younger military leaders, especially in combat units.  

12 hours ago, Coach Nowlin said:

ZERO

expand quote to see specific questions answered

So if he cried behind closed door with his teammates then he gets a pass, but because Mom / Dad right there, because he explained the raw emotion in the presser I posted, still makes him a poor leader.  Got it.   

I have stated many times over, the Chicago Bears have been a fine financial investment option for me and that continues today as well.   Since 1986, only 16 different teams of the 32, so if Math is hard, that is only HALF the league in the last 4 decades have been Super Bowl Champions......so sensitive nope, merely pointed out the fact to some of our friends in this thread who have already assumed so much about the Caleb Williams that there is the other side of the coin that I believe I have successfully pointed out with you know actual NFL pedigree folks, backed up with STATS of the original twitter thread I showed, still not sure if you actually invested in reading that or not, plus a former players and current NFL analyst for the mothership network feeling on it.  

 

At the end of the day, whether its the 2024 Draft, the 2025 draft, the 2020 draft, etc, its a RISK business, there will be a risk of taking CW 1st, just like it would be if you trade out of the spot and all the other scenarios.   I think it is just pure lazy opinions spouted on here about the shortcomings according to some which is nothing more than a regurgitation of headlines across social media and other yappy shows filling way too much time for way too much content they have to create.   

 

I started many posts ago stating that RYAN POLES has earned my trust in what he is doing, so far we know for a fact, he prioritized resetting the QB clock over JF extension.  That tells me with his staff they have decided that they are going to be as good or better position with this mode regardless of the new QB they draft.    Thats what we know right now.,    It seems as CW is the consensus pick from just about everyone, so perhaps thats what happens, if it does, he will get my full support, just like I would if JJ or MAYE or whoever, its up to him , the coaching staff and players to keep that support by making the next step improvements organization wide.   I believe we are on that path, ultimately time will tell as also stated.   

Not a fan of you putting words in my mouth coach.  First you insinuate I tabbed Williams with the term "Loser" now in this rant, you use the term "Poor Leader".  Neither of were in print from me, so thanks for restraining your comments about my intentions with labeling Williams.

I never used either of those terms and you know that.  Obviously, I have struck emotion.

I share this example as to whether or not would capture his locker room at the pro level if repeated, which is far different than outright calling him a poor leader.  Is this enough to have some pause?  For me, along with other recent actions on social media does cause pause.

But hey...just sharing my "lazy" opinion.  Which at the end of the day means very little...except obviously to you.  Why, I have no idea.

14 hours ago, Coach Nowlin said:

In an NFL locker room, their are LEADERS, not 1 sole entity, yes, the QB is the lead voice on the offensive side of the ball, no denying that, its just incredible that some of you want to cherry pick media narratives to drive home your narrative that a player who has won an Heisman while playing the position of QB is going to fail as a leader in the NFL because he sat pissed off on the bench, he showed emotion in the stands with his family and has chosen different fashion choices with finger paint and phone cases........

Except for Michigan sign stealing drama.  lots of smoke, no fires.   

 

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/uscs-caleb-williams-hopes-viral-video-of-him-crying-helped-spread-awareness-for-mental-health/#:~:text=Following the 52-42 loss,a positive impact on others.

USC's loss to Washington last weekend was an emotional one for Trojans quarterback Caleb Williams. Following the 52-42 loss to the Huskies, Williams found his mother in the stands and cried as she comforted him.

That moment has garnered a lot of attention over the last week, and Williams hoped it had a positive impact on others. On Wednesday, Williams spoke to reporters and said he is an advocate for mental health and wanted to be his "authentic" self.

"Me doing just what I did on Saturday, even though it was far from what I was trying to do or anything like that, it showed and spread that awareness that I may talk about when I don't have tears in my eyes," Williams said, per USCFootball.com. "It just shows truth and what I speak ... Being authentic is important."

Williams also noted the loss really stung because of how badly he wanted to get a big win for his teammates.

"That's who I am," Williams said. "That's just simply who I am ...That was raw emotion. Being human. Being myself. Someone that cares about this team, these guys and winning especially."

 

https://www.nbcsportschicago.com/nfl/chicago-bears/bears-analysis/ex-nfl-star-gerald-mccoy-has-powerful-message-for-critics-of-caleb-williams-crying/540535/?amp=1

Gerald McCoy has earned to speak with his NFL career in my eyes:  

YEA, What a LOSER, BABY, POOR LEADER.....

I asked you a question and you avoided it. How many of the NFL great QB's have you seen go run to their parents and cry when an outcome of a game didn't go their way?  (their final year of college)  

Never called him a loser...those are your words.  I do question if this type of behavior is someone to invest their entire future on.  I appreciate he cares about his team after a tough loss...then why not head to the locker room and demonstrate your care for the team in lieu of running to your parents alone to cry?  I think its a fair question...obviously you don't, and it feels like I struck a nerve.  Maybe my comment hit too close to home.

My son is an Army combat leader...thank goodness, those young men don't publicly run to mommy and cry openly when things don't work out to plan.  You won't find that "style" being taught....well, at least with the elite units.

21 hours ago, Muda69 said:

But hey the student manager who had to wash all those muddy uniforms on a Saturday morning ended up turning the experience into moola, he now runs a successful dry cleaning business.

 

 

3 hours ago, Coach Nowlin said:

What coach/teammate has actually said this from USC?   NFL is the largest entity in sports...no denying its power WORLD wide, those who are paid to cover the NFL also have to generate stories, especially at this time of year, so seems like you like others are falling into that clickbait boredom manufactured stories that are dime a dozen right now.   But like I said, hopefully you actually clicked the link I provided and thread and saw the SANITY in that vs the latter.  

"flex". no flex, just drawing parallelism of an NCAA athlete and how they have acted after games......So as I tagged my buddy there, big IU guy, so assumed he was also put off by how Romeo acted after losses, which I would argue was more egregious because he didn't care, seemed like Caleb cared a lot from a far in that moment.   

Why do we expect athletes to do act like robots??   

Who's expecting a player to act like a robot?  Kind of extreme response.  I am sure there are countless examples of players emotional in a locker room together.  But how many of the great NFL QB's have you seen lose it in the stands with their parents when the outcome of a game didn't go the way they wanted...in their final year of college?  Instead of going to Mommy and Daddy, why not get with your teammates and go through the disappointment together?  How about focusing on your teammates at that time?  To me, that's the behavior of a leader...someone that put others before himself.  But hey, we don't need to have the same expected traits of a leader....

17 hours ago, Coach Nowlin said:

 

PLEASE just click the link, and follow the thread.    

We've hit the point of NFL off season where boredom sets in and now we are concerned on how a young man sought comfort after a tough loss on an athletic field?   What color his phone case is??  

My goodness......

@Bash Riprock  You must of really hated Romeo Langford in his 1 year at IU.....you know hanging out with his parents in the stands after losses, cannot confirm if tears were shown or not however.  

 

Going to be a long 24 days for some of you 

 

Coach...no hatred for anyone, let alone a player that cries to his parents in the stands when they lose.  Just not sure its the best way to show leadership and grab control of a locker room.....in the case of the NFL.....a locker room full of men.

Perhaps that's where the painted nails come in.......😉

18 hours ago, BTF said:

I'm not sure if they do or don't. All I know is that this forum gets a hell of a lot more views than what's coming from just the members. I think the GID offers a lot of good information and insight on important topics. Enough so that I think you'd be surprised at who really views many of these threads. I'm willing to bet that 90% of all head coaches check in, at least on occasion, to see what's being discussed. If that's the case wouldn't some administrators be curious once in awhile as well? Maybe I'm giving the GID too much credit, but I doubt it. 

Perhaps....I have pretty certain in the case of CG, administration didn't seek individual's opinions on turf fields on GID before deciding on turf for football, soccer, baseball, etc.  They certainly would have done their research, but just don't think they consider opinions of fans on GID.  But, perhaps they are in the minority......

Now, do coaches visit GID and share opinions of various members?  I can get my arms around that.....

42 minutes ago, BTF said:

I think administrators can be swayed, but I agree, not on this topic. There are way too many benefits to all involved. 

Do you think Administrators seek out GID as a viable source to help them with decision-making?  That was my point.  

If they do, well, I just learned something.

14 hours ago, temptation said:

Nah, however…

McCarthy or pink iPhone, painted nails, diva?

One is a safer/better long term pick than the other.

I am not anti-McCarthy...just discussing if the Rose Bowl (single game) was enough to vault him higher up the draft.

I am with you on Williams...that is why my earlier comments about him to another member questioned his leadership abilities.  When SC lost to Washington and he went over and cried to his parents in the stands, that did not capture the essence of leadership...as least for me.

18 hours ago, Muda69 said:

I don't know yet.  Rome wasn't built in a day.   I can only continue to espouse my opinions regarding the matter.  If you personally no longer like to read it then you have two choices Bash Riprock;  you can put me on ignore or you can contact a GID admin concerning the matter.

Eventually, yes.

 

Muda...you went dark on me.  I not a reporting kind of guy and why put you on ignore?  You put out some good stuff.

I just find it surprising that you feel a need to sway others to your views.  Be confident my man in your own views, and resist feeling the need for validation through conversion of others.  As I said, even if you convert a person or 2, nothing will come from it on this site.  Not the tree to bark up....

Got to be honest...i did get a slight chuckle that you thinking if you complain long enough, you will change the minds of various high school administrators around the state from investing in turf fields....do you truly believe they would see you both as a desired and credible source in their decision-making process?

19 hours ago, Muda69 said:

So you are saying the GID never has new members?

 

is it working for you?  Do you have any converts?  Even if you have had success converting people to your beliefs, what good is it doing on this forum?  Bottom line, do you see high schools reducing their investments with turf because of your efforts?

Chasing parked cars....

5 minutes ago, temptation said:

Just watch the last 4 minutes of regulation.

ok...made some good plays to help tie the game....big enough sample for you to project a future NFL 1st round pick that will have have a stellar NFL career?

One TD in the entire second half and I believe the TD drive was the only sustained drive of that half.

On 3/28/2024 at 12:59 PM, Muda69 said:

The world? No.  The GID?  Yes.

 

But you have done this...over and over and over and over and over..............infinity symbol.

We get your position.  Most do not agree and you are not going to change anyone's mind.  And even if you did gain a convert, what does it mean?  Nothing will change as a result of this behavior on this particular forum.

Its kind of like a dog chasing parked cars....

On 3/28/2024 at 9:24 PM, temptation said:

Just because Michigan didn’t need McCarthy to win games for them frequently doesn’t mean that he couldn’t have more often.

Throw in the fourth quarter of the Rose Bowl when you get a free moment.

I was intrigued with your comment, because I only remembered one serious drive by UM in the second half.  McCarthy did throw a 4 yd TD which was big as it tied up the game.  I pulled up the drives in the second half drives for both teams.  What stands out in your mind for McCarthy that would cause one to think, "wow, what a big time NFL QB?"

Notice most of their possessions in the 2nd half were limited drives.....