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  1. New "Big School" Conference:

    East Central: 1,290 (+44)     Connersville: 981 (-47)     Franklin County: 756 (-8)     Lawrenceburg: 718 (+40)

    New "Small School" Conference:

    Greensburg: 716 (-18)     Batesville: 711 (+11)     South Dearborn: 689 (-137)     Rushville: 660 (-35)

     

    How long before South Dearborn and Batesville decide they don't want to play East Central anymore either?

    South Dearborn drop was expected but still surprising, at one point they were one of the three largest schools in the conference. Do we see this as a continuing trend?

  2. 7 hours ago, Fkfootball said:

    I’ve always thought Brian Glesing would be a great guy for a program like JC. Unfortunately he’s moved around a lot since leaving FC. But they need a good fundamentals, ground and pound, type of football coach. Spreading the offense out and trying to create a passing attack will never work at JC. They need to take advantage of the size they have there. I remember talking to a guy who ran a lineman camp years ago, that said the Floyd Central OL were some of the most well coached lineman he’d ever seen. But they were undersized. Unfortunately our kids eat Salads and Sushi. Lol. JC needs to find a coach that can teach those JC lineman how to fundamentally run block. They need to run the Power-I.

    They did that when Coach Beuning was there and still didn't have much success. He has gone on to win a state championship and had multiple deep playoff runs since then so it wasn't a lack of head coaching while he was there, maybe a lack of assistant help.

    Jennings County is definitely different since he was there. They have made some major upgrades. What they really need is somebody who is going to be there for the long haul. I don't think they need to hire a guy who is wanting to have a few successful seasons and turn it into another job. 

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  3. Why not just abolish the Success Factor all together? I think the biggest class that has issues of the same teams always winning is 6A and there's no 7A to send Center Grove to. Let's be honest the Success Factor was put in place to either "keep in check" or "punish" Catholic school dominance in the early 2010s depending on your viewpoint. For those who wanted Catholic schools to play up it didn't work. Those teams are still making it to state and winning.

    And there's so many problems with it. As Jets described one good class hurt Southridge. Their team two seasons ago would have possibly won 2A, or at minimum had a great chance. Then you have teams like Western Boone who won their first two state championships in the correct (lucky) years. It's like the NCAA putting scholarship limits on teams for recruiting scandals that happened with the last coach or group of players.

    A better way for the IHSAA to classify would be to look at overall male population for boys sports and percentage of male population in schools then classify based off that. But that's a common sense approach which probably means it won't happen.

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  4. 8 hours ago, The TW said:

    John Rodenberg was the easiest coach to work with I've ever known. I had a conversation with another assistant coach today where he stated, “John has been an absolute dream to work for!” As for bouncing around, he was at Moeller for twelve years before resigning after two difficult seasons. He admittedly struggled to implement his style of culture at Lawrence Central, but went 25-2 at Roncalli. His kids and grand kids are in Cincinnati, where he has spent his entire life. The community he will be serving is widely considered the most desirable place to live in the Midwest (median household income is north of $215k). He’s likely going to make significantly more money as well. 
     

    So, no, Tim he’s not difficult to work with. 

    Anyone who knows a little bit about Coach Rodenberg's history would know this is a great move for him for all the reasons you just listed. Indian Hills is a great school to coach at, I think it will be a great fit for him and the school.

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  5. 1 hour ago, GoodKn19ht said:

    Oh no that makes total sense, and I agree, I was simply saying if they want to continue this format, it would need to be revamped heavily. Based on those new enrollment numbers, only one team in the conference will be in the 4A division. EC

    I believe the rules state that it's the four largest in one and the four smallest in the other. They started it 4A/3A because that's how it was at the time. Next season only East Central and Connersville will be 4A.

    The interesting part will be to see if Greensburg goes to the large conference, which by the numbers posted on another thread they're at the 4th largest enrollment, how that will work out. Both teams came to a mutual agreement to not play and it's honestly better for both teams. 

    In my opinion should get rid of divisions and just say if a team decides they don't want to play another then that's it. Make it a lot easier.

  6. 3 hours ago, GoodKn19ht said:

    Lawrenceburg wouldn't be required to play those schools, East central doesn't currently play all the conference teams, only the ones in the 4A "division".

    The difference between Lburg and EC is that EC is the odd man out population wise in the EIAC, Lburg fits with the rest of the EIAC size wise. 

    The entire conference structure will likely have to be revamped with most of the schools falling to the 3A class

    This goes back to the Big School / Small School. To me a conference should be a conference. The only reason I can see for splitting up into divisions would be to have a North/South or East/West divide to cut down on travel time and open up more opportunities for out of conference games. 

    Lets just call it what it is. This entire format was created so that schools could avoid playing East Central. Ironically Lawrenceburg was the one in the driver seat for this when it was initiated, which is why they didn't play for four years. There's been a lot of change in the football program, athletic department and frankly the town since this thing started rolling over a decade ago.

    To the original question though of who should be in or out. Rushville and Connersville don't beat anyone but each other. Jennings County & Madison would probably be the same. I think the EIAC was better when teams couldn't avoid East Central, there was a standard to measure up to. 

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  7. 3 hours ago, boilerfan87 said:

    1 - I agree, but if the EIAC expanded to enough teams, they wouldn't necessarily have to play all teams in the EIAC. With the big school/small school split, they could stick to playing the teams they have to play in their division and playing whoever outside of that. Realistically, it's all hypothetical anyway because I don't see it happening. 

    I personally hate the Big School / Small School format. To me it makes the small school conference champion look like a runner up. But that's just me. 

    3 hours ago, Frozen Tundra said:

    @HoopsCoach released the new enrollment numbers in another thread and Madison’s enrollment dropped by over 100. They are now firmly in 3A.

    Sounds like a great fit to me. That conference is much more on Madison's level when it comes to football. Have no idea in other sports. 

  8. 5 hours ago, HHF said:

    Has EC looked into playing Colerain?

    They've played them in JV in the past. Colerain is a tough team to schedule. They play in a conference with more teams than regular season games. Their 2-3 out of conference games they have per year are always against GCL teams. 

    East Central does a good job of scheduling Ohio schools in their out of conference. Currently play Harrison and Moeller. In the past have played LaSalle, Edgewood, and Columbus De Sales.

  9. 14 hours ago, boilerfan87 said:

    If you added JC & Madison without dropping Connersville and Rushville, those 4 schools would be competitive with each other. South Dearborn already plays both schools. They could be competitive with FC and, Greensburg and Batesville at times as well. No one in the EIAC is really competitive with EC or Lawrenceburg right now. 

    Milan and Madison make sense from a location standpoint as well as the fact they are both independent, so it could make scheduling easier for both. Milan, though a very solid 1a program, is still a small school for that conference. Then again, they already play 4 EIAC teams plus Madison. 

    If a team wants to play them out of conference that's one thing. Being forced to play a team year after year knowing you're going to win isn't going to do much for your program. Take East Central out of the equation, adding Jennings County and Madison now gives a team like Lawrenceburg two more games that won't do anything for them in the playoffs.

    11 hours ago, Frozen Tundra said:

    Madison applied to join the Mid-Southern Conference last February after Clarksville announced it was leaving. The conference’s principals voted to table the application and stick with eight for the 2021-2022 school year.

    I think the Mid Southern would be a good fit for them. They're a small 4A school and may be 3A here soon which would fit well with that conference.

    6 hours ago, HoopsCoach said:

    East Central would fit in the Southwest Ohio Conference with their rival and neighbor Harrison.  It’s currently a 6 school conference - Harrison, Ross, Talawanda, Edgewood, Northwest, and Mount Healthy.  All have around 850-1200 students, and their longest trip would be 50 minutes to Edgewood.  As a 7 team conference, they would still have 3 open weeks for non-conference games with Lawrenceburg, Roncalli, and Moeller.

    I couldn't agree more. I've always thought joining an Ohio Conference would be great for East Central. They have played Edgewood before as well. I think it would be great for the program but like I said I don't really see that happening. Though the Southwest Conference has been having some potential shake ups talked about lately so who knows?

  10. 4 hours ago, boilerfan87 said:

    Didn't JC try a few years back? Either they were denied or decided not to go forward. Or was it Madison was denied because JC didn't want to make the move and the EIAC wanted balanced divisions? That seems familiar. At least geographically speaking, I think it makes sense. JC would be the second largest school in the conference, I believe. I think Madison is enjoying their independence and freedom to schedule as they want. However, their week 1 opponent this year is the 5a defending state champ in Kentucky that would probably have beaten East last year, so there is a little irony in their new schedule. 

    Both were talked about a few years back, not sure how serious those talks were. Lately Madison has come into the discussion among the ADs again. And Milan! Which to me would be even dumber than bringing in Connersville and Rushville. 

  11. 3 hours ago, Frozen Tundra said:

    Maybe I’m incorrect but the last few years it seems Lawrenceburg has also distanced themselves from the rest of the conference, sans East Central. The Trojans have some distance between themselves and Lawrenceburg and then the Tigers have some distance between themselves and the other six teams in the conference. Therefore, if East Central were to leave as you suggested, wouldn’t it just be Lawrenceburg’s conference to win every year?

    That's possible. Lawrenceburg has distanced themselves as of the last few years but they also had an extremely talented group that came through and will be graduating. Not to say they still won't be successful but it will be interesting to see how they do this coming season. I wouldn't expect them to have a losing season, but definitely some closer games. 

    While I think East Central would be better suited as an independent I don't think they ever will be. I've always gotten the feeling that East Central likes their position and won't do too much to compromise that. 

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  12. 14 hours ago, Frozen Tundra said:

    Would you want Jennings County and Madison in place of Rushville and Connersville? I believe both Madison and the former North Vernon High School were once part of the conference. JC and Madison both seem to be a better fit for the EIAC these days than they do (or, in Madison’s case, did) the HHC.

    I would not. It's my opinion that before the addition of Rushville and Connersville the EIAC was a very solid football conference. There were teams that were able to compete with and beat East Central and it gave teams four out of conference games which made seasons a little less "here we go again". 

    If Rushville and Connersville were to leave the addition of Madison and Jennings County would just be trading two long drives north to know you're going to mercy rule a team to two long drives south to know you're going to mercy rule a team. I'd like to see the EIAC go back to six teams for the time being.

  13. 2 hours ago, GoodKn19ht said:

    East Central, Connersville and Rushville from the EIAC. All for different reasons, but all three of these teams would likely be better served in different conferences. East Central may benefit from being independent, better competition available to them, and ability to keep existing rivalries (Lburg, SD, Harrison OH)

    Rushville and Connersville don't fit and never have. Was a dumb decision to bring them in. East Central would benefit from being independent but I don't ever see that happening. 

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  14. 20 hours ago, Impartial_Observer said:

    Radtke didn’t seem to have difficulty moving the program in a positive direction. Granted the town has changed since then. 

    The late 80s early 90s were a completely different time for Connersville, the town still had jobs and there wasn't a massive drug issue.

    And even with that Radtke only had one or two winning seasons. Coaches like him and Mike Spencer had success everywhere they were except Connersville.

  15. On 12/29/2021 at 10:00 AM, HHF said:

    Connersville football was previously listed as a contraction candidate in Class 4A due to chronic underperformance.

    Such an official list lmao.

    On 12/29/2021 at 10:00 AM, HHF said:

    Would dropping a football program that neither the school nor the community cares about actually be a benefit to other sports that are competitive and enjoy success at the eastern Indiana school?

    The only competitive sport there is boys basketball, and the only one they care about. You might as well drop every sport in that case.

    On 12/29/2021 at 10:00 AM, HHF said:

    Would the significant dollars spent on football be better allocated throughout the school to extra curricular activities that provide a much better ROI?

    They don't spend any money on football right now, big reason they aren't competitive. 

    On 12/29/2021 at 10:00 AM, HHF said:

    Would EIAC "football schools" be relieved to see Connersville off their schedules?

    No, they like having a week off. 

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