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Here's the corrected list. Faith Christian is not included but would be the 64th school in 1A
Class 6A
Carmel 5200
Ben Davis 4567
Warren Centra l 3748
Fishers 3664
North Central 3616
Penn 3480
Avon 3476
Hamilton SE 3442
Franklin Central 3362
Brownsburg 3297
Noblesville 3208
Pike 3192
Elkhart 3166
Crown Point 2978
Lake Central 2961
Center Grove 2863
Lawrence North 2817
Westfield 2789
Carroll (Allen) 2569
Tech 2500
Homestead 2408
Lawrence Central 2404
Southport 2368
Perry Meridian 2359
Zionsville 2309
Columbus North 2267
Portage 2170
Harrison 2169
FW Northrop 2158
Jeffersonville 2141
Valparaiso 2140
FW Snider 1915 SUCCESS
Class 5A
Warsaw 2108
Whiteland 2074
SB Adams 2062
Decatur Central 2050
Merrillville 2050
Lafayette Jeff 2034
Goshen 2006
Chesterton 1980
Castle 1965
Hammond Central 1923
Floyd Central 1823
New Albany 1814
LaPorte 1812
McCutcheon 1786
Plainfield 1773
Evansville North 1751
Concord 1730
Anderson 1722
Seymour 1719
Bloomington South 1681
TH South 1609
Franklin 1590
Bloomington North 1589
Hammond Morton 1534
Michigan City 1520
Columbus East 1518
Munster 1514
TH North 1467
Kokomo 1465
FW North 1460
East Central 1241 SUCCESS
Cathedral 1172 SUCCESS
Class 4A
FW South 1459
Mt. Vernon (F) 1455
Greenfield-Central 1430
Mishawaka 1422
FW Wayne 1416
Mooresville 1398
Northridge 1393
Huntington North 1382
Evansville Reitz 1378
Pendleton Heights 1353
Muncie Central 1332
Richmond 1320
Martinsville 1315
SB Riley 1298
Hobart 1298
Ev. Harrison 1293
Bedford NL 1242
Logansport 1226
Greenwood 1211
New Palestine 1209
Attucks 1170
Jennings County 1169
Columbia City 1162
Shortridge 1159
Evansville Central 1131
Shelbyville 1093
Jasper 1092
Roncalli 1082
New Haven 1068
Plymouth 1054
Marion 1045
DeKalb 1044
Lebanon 1033
East Chicago 1009
Gary West 995
East Noble 989
Kankakee Valley 989
Lowell 985
Highland 977
New Prairie 970
Silver Creek 943
Connersville 930
FW Dwenger 917
Frankfort 901
Leo 900
Wawasee 895
Northview 894
Beech Grove 892
SB Washington 886
Boonville 884
NorthWood 869
Ev. Bosse 863
Charlestown 854
SB St. Joseph 849
Culver Military 832
Brebeuf 829
New Castle 824
Danville 820
Hanover Central 817
Yorktown 812
Washington 810
Guerin Catholic 800
Chatard 730 SUCCESS
Class 3A
Jay County 800
Delta 798
Western 791
Mississinewa 783
Gibson Southern 771
Edgewood 761
Madison 760
Corydon 754
West Lafayette 750
Norwell 745
Angola 741
Mish. Marian 735
Scottsburg 726
Lawrenceburg 726
West Noble 718
Vincennes 711
Crawfordsville 710
Hamilton Heights 687
Batesville 670
Twin Lakes 663
Greensburg 662
Owen Valley 650
Franklin County 650
South Dearborn 645
Rushville 645
Griffith 637
Indian Creek 636
Heritage Hills 635
Glenn 633
North Harrison 629
FW Concordia 623
Hammond Noll 617
Ind. Washington 617
Ev. Memorial 617
Heritage 616
Calumet 611
Bellmont 610
Tri-West 606
Maconaquah 604
Princeton 600
Peru 588
Purdue Poly 578
Southridge 576
Mt. Vernon (P) 574
Speedway 571
Fairfield 570
River Forest 567
Garrett 556
Northwestern 554
Cascade 546
Tippecanoe Valley 543
Lakeland 540
Jimtown 538
Oak Hill 538
FW Luers 532
Frankton 531
Ev. Mater Dei 520
Knox 520
Woodlan 518
West Vigo 518
Benton Central 513
N. Montgomery 513
Western Boone 513
Class 2A
Centerville 512
Bluffton 507
Heritage Christian 507
Monrovia 503
Sullivan 503
Eastbrook 501
Eastern (Howard) 499
Ritter 498
Greencastle 495
Salem 494
Wabash 492
Blackford 490
Brown County 488
Manchester 475
Rochester 473
Pike Central 474
Bremen 471
Brownstown 469
Alexandria 468
Triton Central 468
South Vermillion 468
Lapel 466
Boone Grove 466
Switzerland Co. 464
Andrean 455
Tipton 454
Southmont 453
Scecina 448
Rensselaer 447
North Posey 442
North Putnam 432
Mitchell 430
Northeastern 423
Whiting 422
Prairie Heights 421
Park Tudor 421
Christel House 420
Delphi 417
Wheeler 417
Elwood 410
Gary 21st Century 408
Adams Central 408
Winchester 408
Tell City 403
Shenandoah 400
Paoli 396
Lake Station 391
Union County 391
Cass 389
Eastern (Pekin) 389
Whitko 389
Linton 387
Seeger 386
Clarksville 385
Central Noble 385
Eastside 384
Covenant Chr. 383
Crawford County 379
Churubusco 378
Eastern Hancock 377
Perry Central 377
Lafayette CC 302 SUCCESS
Lutheran 267 SUCCESS
Class A
LaVille 373
Providence 371
Taylor 366
South Putnam 363
Winamac 360
South Adams 357
Parke Heritage 354
Forest Park 353
South Spencer 352
Hagerstown 352
Eastern Greene 351
North Knox 349
Sheridan 336
Madison-Grant 336
Clinton Prairie 327
Carroll (Flora) 321
Riverton Parke 320
North Newton 319
S. Central (UM) 318
Knightstown 316
Milan 315
North Decatur 314
North Judson 308
Monroe Central 301
Northfield 296
Fountain Central 289
Anderson Prep 288
Tecumseh 286
Pioneer 286
Fremont 283
Cloverdale 283
Covington 281
Gary Bowman 277
West Washington 277
Triton 274
North Daviess 273
Clinton Central 268
Springs Valley 266
South Decatur 265
North White 264
Rossville 264
Southwood 263
North Miami 263
Purdue Poly-BR 262
Orleans 262
N. Central (F) 257
Tri 256
Southern Wells 252
Wes-Del 248
Culver 246
Union City 244
South Newton 241
Caston 241
Cambridge City 234
Tri-Central 232
Edinburgh 227
Tri-County 220
N. Vermillion 218
West Central 209
Tindley 202
Frontier 180
Attica 160
Oldenburg Acad. 151
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1 hour ago, HoopsCoach said:
The success factor bylaw has changed. 3 points are now required for a team to stay up. Memorial earned 2 points, so they will return to 3A.
I was unaware that had changed.
In that case, Cathedral will drop to 5A, not 4A and Memorial will go to 3A.
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41 minutes ago, qbcoach13 said:
6A 1 Carmel 5200 2 Ben Davis 4567 3 Warren Central 3748 4 Fishers 3664 5 North Central (Indpls.) 3616 6 Penn 3480 7 Avon 3476 8 Hamilton Southeastern 3442 9 Franklin Central 3362 10 Brownsburg 3297 11 Noblesville 3208 12 Pike 3192 13 Elkhart 3166 14 Crown Point 2978 15 Lake Central 2961 16 Center Grove 2893 17 Lawrence North 2817 18 Westfield 2789 19 Carroll (Fort Wayne) 2569 20 Indianapolis Arsenal Tech 2500 21 Homestead 2408 22 Lawrence Central 2404 23 Southport 2368 24 Perry Meridian 2359 25 Zionsville 2309 26 Columbus North 2267 27 Portage 2170 28 Harrison (West Lafayette) 2169 29 Fort Wayne Northrop 2158 30 Jeffersonville 2141 31 Fort Wayne Snider 1915 32 Indianapolis Cathedral 1172 5A 1 Valparaiso 2140 2 Warsaw 2108 3 Whiteland 2074 4 South Bend Adams 2062 5 Decatur Central 2050 6 Merrillville 2050 7 Lafayette Jefferson 2034 8 Goshen 2006 9 Chesterton 1980 10 Castle 1965 11 Hammond Central 1923 12 Floyd Central 1823 13 New Albany 1814 14 LaPorte 1812 15 McCutcheon 1786 16 Plainfield 1773 17 Evansville North 1751 18 Concord 1730 19 Anderson 1722 20 Seymour 1719 21 Bloomington South 1681 22 Terre Haute South 1609 23 Franklin Community 1590 24 Bloomington North 1589 25 Hammond Morton 1534 26 Michigan City 1520 27 Columbus East 1518 28 Munster 1514 29 Terre Haute North 1467 30 Kokomo 1465 31 Fort Wayne North Side 1460 32 East Central 1241 4A 1 Fort Wayne South Side 1459 2 Mt Vernon (Fortville) 1455 3 Greenfield-Central 1430 4 Mishawaka 1422 5 Fort Wayne Wayne 1416 6 Mooresville 1398 7 Northridge 1393 8 Huntington North 1382 9 Evansville Reitz 1378 10 Pendleton Heights 1353 11 Muncie Central 1332 12 Richmond 1320 13 Martinsville 1315 14 Hobart 1298 15 South Bend Riley 1298 16 Evansville Harrison 1293 17 Bedford-North Lawrence 1242 18 Logansport 1226 19 Greenwood 1211 20 New Palestine 1209 21 Indianapolis Crispus Attucks 1170 22 Jennings County 1169 23 Columbia City 1162 24 Indianapolis Shortridge 1159 25 Evansville Central 1131 26 Shelbyville 1093 27 Jasper 1092 28 Indianapolis Roncalli 1082 29 New Haven 1068 30 Plymouth 1054 31 Marion 1045 32 DeKalb 1044 33 Lebanon 1033 34 East Chicago Central 1009 35 Gary West Side 995 36 East Noble 989 37 Kankakee Valley 989 38 Lowell 985 39 Highland 977 40 New Prairie 970 41 Silver Creek 943 42 Connersville 930 43 Fort Wayne Bishop Dwenger 917 44 Frankfort 901 45 Leo 900 46 Wawasee 895 47 Northview 894 48 Beech Grove 892 49 South Bend Washington 886 50 Boonville 884 51 NorthWood 869 52 Evansville Bosse 863 53 Charlestown 854 54 South Bend Saint Joseph 849 55 Culver Academies 832 56 Brebeuf Jesuit 829 57 New Castle 824 58 Danville 820 59 Hanover Central 817 60 Yorktown 812 61 Washington 810 62 Guerin Catholic 800 63 Jay County 800 64 Indianapolis Bishop Chatard 730 3A 1 Delta 798 2 Western 791 3 Mississinewa 783 4 Gibson Southern 771 5 Edgewood 761 6 Madison 760 7 Corydon Central 754 8 West Lafayette 750 9 Norwell 745 10 Angola 741 11 Mishawaka Marian 735 12 Lawrenceburg 726 13 Scottsburg 726 14 West Noble 718 15 Vincennes Lincoln 711 16 Crawfordsville 710 17 Hamilton Heights 687 18 Batesville 670 19 Twin Lakes 663 20 Greensburg 662 21 Franklin County 650 22 Owen Valley 650 23 Rushville 645 24 South Dearborn 645 25 Griffith 637 26 Indian Creek 636 27 Heritage Hills 635 28 John Glenn 633 29 North Harrison 629 30 Fort Wayne Concordia 623 31 Evansville Memorial 617 32 Hammond Bishop Noll 617 33 Indianapolis Washington 617 34 Heritage 616 35 Calumet 611 36 Bellmont 610 37 Tri-West 606 38 Maconaquah 604 39 Princeton 600 40 Peru 588 41 Purdue Polytechnic Downtown 578 42 Southridge 576 43 Mount Vernon (Posey) 574 44 Speedway 571 45 Fairfield 570 46 River Forest 567 47 Garrett 556 48 Northwestern 554 49 Cascade 546 50 Tippecanoe Valley 543 51 Lakeland 540 52 Jimtown 538 53 Oak Hill 538 54 Fort Wayne Bishop Luers 532 55 Frankton 531 56 Evansville Mater Dei 520 57 Knox 520 58 West Vigo 518 59 Woodlan 518 60 Benton Central 513 61 North Montgomery 513 62 Western Boone 513 63 Centerville 512 2A 1 Bluffton 507 2 Heritage Christian 507 3 Monrovia 503 4 Sullivan 503 5 Eastbrook 501 6 Eastern (Greentown) 499 7 Indianapolis Cardinal Ritter 498 8 Greencastle 495 9 Salem 494 10 Wabash 492 11 Blackford 490 12 Brown County 488 13 Manchester 475 14 Pike Central 474 15 Rochester 473 16 Bremen 471 17 Brownstown Central 469 18 Alexandria 468 19 South Vermillion 468 20 Triton Central 468 21 Boone Grove 466 22 Lapel 466 23 Switzerland County 464 24 Andrean 455 25 Tipton 454 26 Southmont 453 27 Indianapolis Scecina 448 28 Rensselaer Central 447 29 North Posey 442 30 North Putnam 432 31 Mitchell 430 32 Northeastern 423 33 Whiting 422 34 Prairie Heights 421 35 Park Tudor 421 36 Christel House Manual 420 37 Delphi 417 38 Wheeler 417 39 Elwood 410 40 Winchester 408 41 Adams Central 408 42 Tell City 403 43 Shenandoah 400 44 Paoli 396 45 Lake Station Edison 391 46 Union County 391 47 Eastern (Pekin) 389 48 Lewis Cass 389 49 Whitko 389 50 Linton-Stockton 387 51 Seeger 386 52 Central Noble 385 53 Clarksville 385 54 Eastside 384 55 Covenant Christian (Indpls.) 383 56 Crawford County 379 57 Churubusco 378 58 Eastern Hancock 377 59 Perry Central 377 60 LaVille 373 61 Providence 371 62 Taylor 366 63 Lafayette Central Catholic 302 64 Indianapolis Lutheran 267 1A 1 South Putnam 363 2 Winamac 360 3 South Adams 357 4 Parke Heritage 354 5 Forest Park 353 6 Hagerstown 352 7 South Spencer 352 8 Eastern Greene 351 9 North Knox 349 10 Madison-Grant 336 11 Sheridan 336 12 Clinton Prairie 327 13 Carroll (Flora) 321 14 Riverton Parke 320 15 North Newton 319 16 South Central (Union Mills) 318 17 Knightstown 316 18 Milan 315 19 North Decatur 314 20 North Judson 308 21 Monroe Central 301 22 Northfield 296 23 Fountain Central 289 24 Anderson Prep Academy 288 25 Pioneer 286 26 Tecumseh 286 27 Cloverdale 283 28 Fremont 283 29 Covington 281 30 Bowman Academy 277 31 West Washington 277 32 Triton 274 33 North Daviess 273 34 Fort Wayne Blackhawk Christian 270 35 Clinton Central 268 36 Springs Valley 266 37 South Decatur 265 38 North White 264 39 North Miami 263 40 Southwood 263 41 North Central (Farmersburg) 257 42 Tri 256 43 Southern Wells 252 44 Wes-Del 248 45 Culver 246 46 Union City 244 47 Caston 241 48 South Newton 241 49 Cambridge City Lincoln 234 50 Tri Central 232 51 Edinburgh 227 52 Greenwood Christian 222 53 Tri-County 220 54 North Vermillion 218 55 West Central 209 56 Indianapolis Tindley 202 57 Frontier 180 58 Attica 160 Classes aren't split correctly - they will split 4A-1A evenly (so 62-63 in each), not 64-64-64-58. If it doesn't evenly divide, the remainder goes in the *smallest* class.
1 hour ago, Coach Harvey said:Memorial is still up in 4A due to SF, correct?
Per IHSAA, they gained two points last cycle while playing in a higher class, so they should stay up.
https://www.ihsaa.org/sites/default/files/documents/Football TSF 2022-23 2023-24.pdf
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Here's what I have, with the caveat that Rochester & Mitchell appear way off.
6A
Carmel 5200
Ben Davis 4567
Warren Centra l 3748
Fishers 3664
North Central 3616
Penn 3480
Avon 3476
Hamilton SE 3442
Franklin Central 3362
Brownsburg 3297
Noblesville 3208
Pike 3192
Elkhart 3166
Crown Point 2978
Lake Central 2961
Center Grove 2863
Lawrence North 2817
Westfield 2789
Carroll (Allen) 2569
Tech 2500
Homestead 2408
Lawrence Central 2404
Southport 2368
Perry Meridian 2359
Zionsville 2309
Columbus North 2267
Portage 2170
Harrison 2169
FW Northrop 2158
Jeffersonville 2141
FW Snider 1915 SUCCESS
Cathedral 1172 SUCCESS
5A
Valparaiso 2140
Warsaw 2108
Whiteland 2074
SB Adams 2062
Decatur Central 2050
Merrillville 2050
Lafayette Jeff 2034
Goshen 2006
Chesterton 1980
Castle 1965
Hammond Central 1923
Floyd Central 1823
New Albany 1814
LaPorte 1812
McCutcheon 1786
Plainfield 1773
Evansville North 1751
Concord 1730
Anderson 1722
Seymour 1719
Bloomington South 1681
TH South 1609
Franklin 1590
Bloomington North 1589
Hammond Morton 1534
Michigan City 1520
Columbus East 1518
Munster 1514
TH North 1467
Kokomo 1465
FW North 1460
East Central 1241 SUCCESS
4A
FW South 1459
Mt. Vernon (F) 1455
Greenfield-Central 1430
Mishawaka 1422
FW Wayne 1416
Mooresville 1398
Northridge 1393
Huntington North 1382
Evansville Reitz 1378
Pendleton Heights 1353
Muncie Central 1332
Richmond 1320
Martinsville 1315
SB Riley 1298
Hobart 1298
Ev. Harrison 1293
Bedford NL 1242
Logansport 1226
Greenwood 1211
New Palestine 1209
Attucks 1170
Jennings County 1169
Columbia City 1162
Shortridge 1159
Evansville Central 1131
Shelbyville 1093
Jasper 1092
Roncalli 1082
New Haven 1068
Plymouth 1054
Marion 1045
DeKalb 1044
Lebanon 1033
East Chicago 1009
Gary West 995
East Noble 989
Kankakee Valley 989
Lowell 985
Highland 977
New Prairie 970
Silver Creek 943
Connersville 930
FW Dwenger 917
Frankfort 901
Leo 900
Wawasee 895
Northview 894
Beech Grove 892
SB Washington 886
Boonville 884
NorthWood 869
Ev. Bosse 863
Charlestown 854
SB St. Joseph 849
Culver Military 832
Brebeuf 829
New Castle 824
Danville 820
Hanover Central 817
Yorktown 812
Washington 810
Chatard 730 SUCCESS
Ev. Memorial 617 SUCCESS
3A
Guerin Catholic 800
Jay County 800
Delta 798
Western 791
Mississinewa 783
Gibson Southern 771
Edgewood 761
Madison 760
Corydon 754
West Lafayette 750
Norwell 745
Angola 741
Mish. Marian 735
Scottsburg 726
Lawrenceburg 726
West Noble 718
Vincennes 711
Crawfordsville 710
Hamilton Heights 687
Batesville 670
Twin Lakes 663
Greensburg 662
Owen Valley 650
Franklin County 650
South Dearborn 645
Rushville 645
Griffith 637
Indian Creek 636
Heritage Hills 635
Glenn 633
North Harrison 629
FW Concordia 623
Hammond Noll 617
Ind. Washington 617
Heritage 616
Calumet 611
Bellmont 610
Tri-West 606
Maconaquah 604
Princeton 600
Peru 588
Purdue Poly 578
Southridge 576
Mt. Vernon (P) 574
Speedway 571
Fairfield 570
River Forest 567
Garrett 556
Northwestern 554
Cascade 546
Tippecanoe Valley 543
Lakeland 540
Jimtown 538
Oak Hill 538
FW Luers 532
Frankton 531
Ev. Mater Dei 520
Knox 520
Woodlan 518
West Vigo 518
Benton Central 513
N. Montgomery 513
Western Boone 513
2A
Centerville 512
Bluffton 507
Heritage Christian 507
Monrovia 503
Sullivan 503
Eastbrook 501
Eastern (Howard) 499
Ritter 498
Greencastle 495
Salem 494
Wabash 492
Blackford 490
Brown County 488
Manchester 475
Pike Central 474
Bremen 471
Brownstown 469
Alexandria 468
Triton Central 468
South Vermillion 468
Lapel 466
Boone Grove 466
Switzerland Co. 464
Andrean 455
Tipton 454
Southmont 453
Scecina 448
Rensselaer 447
North Posey 442
North Putnam 432
Northeastern 423
Whiting 422
Prairie Heights 421
Park Tudor 421
Christel House 420
Delphi 417
Wheeler 417
Elwood 410
Gary 21st Century 408
Adams Central 408
Winchester 408
Tell City 403
Shenandoah 400
Paoli 396
Lake Station 391
Union County 391
Cass 389
Eastern (Pekin) 389
Whitko 389
Linton 387
Seeger 386
Clarksville 385
Central Noble 385
Eastside 384
Covenant Chr. 383
Crawford County 379
Churubusco 378
Eastern Hancock 377
Perry Central 377
LaVille 373
Providence 371
Lafayette CC 302 SUCCESS
Lutheran 267 SUCCESS
1A
Taylor 366
South Putnam 363
Winamac 360
South Adams 357
Parke Heritage 354
Forest Park 353
South Spencer 352
Hagerstown 352
Eastern Greene 351
North Knox 349
Sheridan 336
Madison-Grant 336
Clinton Prairie 327
Carroll (Flora) 321
Riverton Parke 320
North Newton 319
S. Central (UM) 318
Knightstown 316
Milan 315
North Decatur 314
North Judson 308
Monroe Central 301
Northfield 296
Fountain Central 289
Anderson Prep 288
Tecumseh 286
Pioneer 286
Fremont 283
Cloverdale 283
Covington 281
Gary Bowman 277
West Washington 277
Triton 274
North Daviess 273
Clinton Central 268
Springs Valley 266
South Decatur 265
North White 264
Rossville 264
Southwood 263
North Miami 263
Purdue Poly-BR 262
Orleans 262
N. Central (F) 257
Tri 256
Southern Wells 252
Wes-Del 248
Culver 246
Union City 244
South Newton 241
Caston 241
Cambridge City 234
Tri-Central 232
Edinburgh 227
Tri-County 220
N. Vermillion 218
Mitchell 212
West Central 209
Tindley 202
Frontier 180
Rochester 164
Attica 160
Oldenburg Acad. 151
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All New Palestine games are live at NewPalRadio.com
NP's home games are also video streamed ($) at IHSAAtv.org
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On 1/31/2023 at 5:19 PM, Whiting89 said:
What’s the issue with going to districts like other states? This would seem to solve a lot of problems for conferences
Other states use districts for playoff qualification. We don't do that here.
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1 hour ago, Indiana Fan said:
Which of the 6A schools are on the verge of dropping down to 5A if Whiteland or Valpo or Harrison move up?
Indianapolis Tech & Warsaw are likely the first two to drop
Columbus North & Lafayette Jeff might be eventuals. Northrop & Jeffersonville are also somewhat on the line.
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9 hours ago, foxbat said:
Six to bump up ... 2 to stay.
There are going to be a couple of those "cusp" programs that will likely be moving up even with Cathedral staying up in 6A. Valpo is one of them and likely WL-Harrison. Harrison stayed down this go-round because of Cathedral's SF bump, but I believe that enrollment estimates are possibly pointing to Harrison possibly overtaking Jeff as the largest school in the Lafayette area which will put them in 6A next go-round. Thought I saw conjecture in another thread about Whiteland likely moving toward 6A enrollment too.
Whiteland is exploding as its district snakes south and east of Greenwood and the parts of that area in Clark Township (east of I-65) are growing *fast*.
If Whiteland isn't 6A next cycle, it will be in the following one.
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Golden anniversary State Finals set to kick off
Andrew Smith
GridironDigest.comLucas Oil Stadium will host the golden anniversary IHSAA football State Finals this weekend, It features an intriguing mix of blue bloods and newcomers to downtown Indy. This year’s field features two rematches from last year’s State Finals, a Center Grove team going for a three-peat in 6A, and an Indianapolis Chatard team seeking its 16th state title in 3A, and two newcomers to the State Finals in Whiteland and Carroll (Fort Wayne). It also features three unbeaten teams in Carroll and 1A finalists Indianapolis Lutheran and Adams Central.
Class 6A: (5) Carroll (13-0) vs. (3) Center Grove (11-2), 7 p.m. Friday
This matchup features one of the state’s premier programs in Center Grove against a Carroll squad that is making its first State Finals appearance.
CG is in the State Finals for the fourth consecutive year, seeking its third straight title, which would be a 6A record. The Trojans are familiar visitors to Lucas Oil Stadium, as this is their sixth State Finals appearance in the last eight years and ninth since 2000.
The Trojans feature the state’s seventh-leading rusher in Micah Coyle, who has tallied 1,941 yards and 21 TDs. Jalen Thomeson moved from defense to offense this season and is nearing the 1,000 yard mark himself. Noah Coy has 1,081 receiving yards, as Tyler Cherry has thrown for 2,124 yards.
It all adds up to a squad that is scoring nearly 36 points per game and tallying 412 yards per game.
Last week, CG avenged a regular-season loss to Cathedral with a 33-10 victory. The Trojans surrendered the first 10 points and then took over, with Coyle running for 218 yards and four TDs.
Carroll also rallied last week to earn its first State Finals berth, trailing 12-7 after a quarter but scoring TDs in the second and third quarters to go up by two scores in an eventual 21-15 victory over Hamilton Southeastern. The Chargers were outgained 295-186 in the game, but got big plays on defense and in the kicking game with an INT and a blocked punt setting up short fields. Jayden Hill had a 69-yard catch to set up a TD, while Braden Steely ran for 64 yards and two touchdowns.
The Chargers won a 21-20 game with Lafayette Jeff in the regional - the program’s first regional title - after trailing 20-7 at halftime. That came after sweeping Penn and Warsaw in the sectional and going unbeaten through the tough Summit Athletic Conference.
Sophomore Nate Starks leads the Chargers’ rushing game with 1,127 yards, while sophomore QB Jimmy Sullivan has thrown for 2,203 yards - 737 to Camden Herschberger. Carroll’s defense has held teams to 9.8 ppg and 223.7 yards per contest this season for 13th-year coach Doug Dinan.
Class 5A: (9) Valparaiso (10-3) vs. (2) Whiteland (12-1), 7 p.m. Saturday
One of the many intriguing matchups this weekend features Valparaiso and Whiteland. The Vikings advanced with two close wins in the regional and semistate to make their second State Finals appearance in four years, while Whiteland is making its State Finals debut.
Valparaiso went 6-3 in the regular season, but got on a roll in tournament play, winning multiple close games. The Vikings defeated arch-rival Chesterton 14-7 in the sectional final, then avenged a regular-season loss to Merrillville with a 15-14 victory in the regional. Last week, Vikings quarterback Justin Clark eluded pressure and scrambled for a touchdown on fourth down in overtime, then the Vikings went for the win and converted to defeat No. 1 Fort Wayne Snider 22-21.
Travis Davis scored the second of his two TDs in the fourth quarter to tie the game and send it to OT. He ran for 277 yards in the contest.
Valpo’s defense has carried the Vikings throughout the year, pitching two shutouts and holding 10 opponents to 14 points or less in regulation. It’s led by Alex Rodriquez (82 tackles), Ty Veen (10 TFL) and Tyler VerSchure (7 INT).
Clark leads the Vikings in rushing with 950 yards. He’s thrown for 885 as a dual-threat QB. The Vikings’ run-heavy attack averages 243 yards per game on the growund. Davis has run for 863 yards, Thomas Burda 769.
Whiteland also has a powerful running game, led by Peyton Emberton, who has run for 1,297 yards and 11 TDs. Jonathan Crowley has rushed for 862 yards and the Warriors average 304 yards per game on the ground. They don’t throw often - averaging eight pass attempts per game - but QB Kevin Denham has thrown for 1,027 yards and four touchdowns.
The Warriors’ lone loss came to Martinsville in Week 6, but they’ve responded with multiple lopsided wins. In the tournament, they won the sectional over Terre Haute North and Franklin by a combined score of 87-3, then routed Plainfield 49-14 in the regional before a 21-7 victory at Castle in the semistate.
It’s the first State Finals appearance for 32-year coaching veteran Darrin Fisher, who has been at Whiteland for 18 seasons. A victory would give Whiteland its first-ever state championship in any sport.
Class 4A: (7) New Prairie (13-1) vs. (4) East Central (12-2), 3 p.m. Friday
East Central has long been one of the powers in southern Indiana and it makes its third State Finals appearance in eight years, seeking its first title since 2017. New Prairie returns to Lucas Oil Stadium for the first time since 2014, when the Cougars were the 4A runner-up.
East Central made a statement at the start of the season, defeating 3A finalist Lawrenceburg 38-3. And the Trojans made one at the end, blocking a potential game-winning field goal in the closing seconds of Friday’s semistate game against Roncalli. The Trojans then won in overtime 24-21, avenging a Week 9 loss to the Royals.
Both teams have strong running games and strong defenses - each allows 10.6 ppg.
New Prairie staged a rally of its own in the semistate. The Cougars trailed Kokomo 9-0 in the late stages of the fourth quarter, but Owek Chalik kicked a 23-yard field goal, the Cougars recovered an on-side kick and quickly marched down the field for the winning TD by quarterback Marshall Kmiecik.
Kmiecik ran for 69 yards and RB Noah Mungia 71 in the Kokomo contest. On the season, Mungia has 1,868 rushing yards and 21 TDs, while Kmiecik has run for 1,31 yards and 14 scores and thrown for 1,198 and 16 TDs, leading an offense tallying 353 yards and 35 points per game. New Prairie’s lone blemish was a Week 8 loss to Penn, but the Cougars rolled through the tournament, with only Hobart scoring in double-digits in a 49-28 sectional championship game victory.
East Central features one of the state’s top rushers in Josh Ringer, who has 2,197 yards and 35 touchdowns. That complements a passing game led by Cole Burton (1,744 yards, 22 TDs passing) and the receiving combo of Ryan Brotherton (841 yards, 11 TDs) and Eli Ashton (612 yards, 7 TDs).
Class 3A: (3) Indianapolis Chatard (10-4) vs. (5) Lawrenceburg (13-1), 3 p.m. Saturday
Class 3A features two programs familiar with very proud traditions. Chatard is appearing in its 17th state championship game, seeking its 16th title and third in four years. Lawrenceburg is back to Lucas Oil Stadium for the first time since 2016, but it is the sixth championship game appearance for the Tigers, who are seeking their first title since 1978.
Lawrenceburg joins East Central as Dearborn County and Eastern Indiana Athletic Conference schools in the State Finals. The Tigers dropped the season opener to EC, but have since ripped off 13 straight victories, led by a defense that leads the state, allowing just 6.1 ppg. The Tigers shut out six straight opponents to finish the regular season and then posted a seventh in a 28-0 victory over Greensburg in the sectional semifinal. Only East Central in Week 1 and Milan in Week 3 have scored more than once against the Tigers.
Jake Pierce leads Logansport’s defense with 114 tackles, 10 TFLs and four INTs. Niko Ferreira has 95 tackles, Noah Knigga 79 tackles and 14 TFLs and Zavyn Slayback four interceptions.
Lawrenceburg rolled to a 35-7 victory over Monrovia in the semistate after dispatching Southridge 31-7 in the regional and Batesville 33-7 in the sectional final.
The Tigers’ running game is led by Teagan Bennett (1,410 yards, 18 TDs) and Alex Witte (1,201 yards, 18 TDs). QB Logan Ahaus has thrown for 1,106 yards and 11 touchdowns.
Chatard went 5-4 in the regular season but was still in the top 5 because of its schedule - the losses came to two semistate teams in larger classes - Roncalli and Cathedral - as well as two quality out-of-state teams. In the tournament, the Trojans used a powerful offense to score 40-plus points in four consecutive games, winning a tough sectional field with a 49-13 win over Guerin Catholic in the championship game. They then defeated Yorktown 42-14 in the regional and No. 1 West Lafayette 21-3 in the semistate.
QB Drew VanVleet has thrown for 2,732 yards and 28 TDs, completing 68 percent of his passes, with Noah Dudick (816 yards, 8 TDs) and Aiden Duncan (788 yards, 7 TDs) his top targets. The Trojans have a balanced running game that averages 145 yards per contest, as well.
Class 2A: (3) Andrean (10-3) vs. (5) Evansville Mater Dei (11-3), 11 a.m. Friday
The first game of the State Finals will be the first of two rematches from last year’s championship game, a game Andrean won 21-9 to clinch its third state football title. Mater Dei has climbed one rung of the ladder each of the last three seasons - sectional champion in 2019, regional in 2020, semistate in 2021 and is now looking to add the program’s first state championship since 2000. The Wildcats have been a state runner-up four times since then.
Head coach Mike Goebel led the Wildcats to that 2000 title and also has won 12 state championships as Mater Dei’s wrestling coach.
Andrean features one of the state’s top players in all-everything back Drayk Bowen, who has run for 1,689 yards and 26 TDs and leads the 59ers on defense with 137 tackles, 19 TFLs, five sacks and two interceptions. The 59ers balance the run and the pass, with Bowen leading the way in the running game and Billy Henry throwing for 1,837 yards and 23 TDs in the passing game, with Patrick Clacks (1,075 yards, 14 TDs) his top target.
The 59ers opened the tournament with a 28-6 victory over previously-unbeaten LaVille before defeating two other ranked teams - Lafayette Central Catholic 30-12 in the regional and Fort Wayne Luers 48-29 in the semistate. Bowen was unstoppable in the semistate, running for 358 yards and five touchdowns. Andrean jumped ahead 28-13 at halftime and continued to extend the lead.
Mater Dei’s offense was also unstoppable in a 51-28 regional victory over previously-unbeaten Linton. QB Mason Wunderlich was 14-18 for 222 yards, while senior Joey Pierre ran for 181 yards and a score.
Mater Dei’s Mason Wunderlich is ninth in the state with 2,565 passing yards and has thrown for 27 touchdowns. Ethan Stolz (676 yards, 9 TDs) and Blake Herdes (567 yards, 7 TDs) are his top targets. Pierre (1,015 yards, 12 TDs) leads the running game.
Mater Dei tied for first in the tough Southern Indiana Athletic Conference and after rolling through the sectional, won a 35-28 game over Triton Central - also ranked No. 5 in the coaches poll - in the regional before the win over Linton in the semistate.
Class A: (2) Adams Central (14-0) at (1) Indianapolis Lutheran (14-0), 11 a.m. Saturday
It’s the one matchup of unbeaten teams in the State Finals and the second rematch. The top two teams in the Class A rankings meet for the state championship.
Last year’s meeting was a classic, with Lutheran winning 34-28 for its first-ever football state championship. The Saints are making their third State Finals appearance in four years, while Adams Central’s Jets are seeking their first state title since 2000.
Lutheran has the state’s highest-scoring offense, tallying 49.4 ppg, led by the state’s passing leader Jackson Willis. He stepped into the QB role this season and has thrown for 3,890 yards. Micah Mackay ranks third in the state with 1,403 receiving yards. Adams Central tallies 46.1 ppg offensively, fourth in the state. Both teams have also been stout defensively - Lutheran allows 9.7 ppg and Adams Central 10.1 ppg.
Adams Central’s Wing-T offense has always featured a powerful running game under 14th-year coach Michael Mosser and this year is more of the same. The Jets tally 316 yards per game on the ground, led by Keegan Bluhm (1,488 yards, 18 TDs), Ryan Black (931 yards, 28 TDs) and Gavin Clark (810 yards, 10 TDs). As the quarterback, Black has thrown for 800 yards.
AC’s defense, led by Bluhm (93 tackles, 3 INTs) and Jack Hamilton (89 tackles, 4 INTs), allows 191 total yards per game.
The Jets have played one game decided by less than 21 points this season - a 25-21 victory over Eastside in Week 2. In the tournament, they’ve tallied at least 35 points in each game, with identical 35-0 wins over Carroll (Flora) and North Judson in the regional and semistate.
Lutheran has rapidly built into a state power under 15th-year head coach Dave Pasch, with Willis and Mackay leading an offense that tallies 457 yards per game. In addition, Joe Davis has rushed for 1,769 yards and 28 touchdowns, complementing the Saints’ powerful passing game. Their defense allows 170 yards per game, led by Jonny Hall (105 tackles, 4 INTs).
Like Adams Central, the Saints have played two games decided by less than 21 points this season - a 54-41 victory over Triton Central in Week 3 and a 28-19 win over Scecina in Week 6. The Saints shut out South Putnam, Cloverdale and Covenant Christian to win the sectional before beating Providence 49-7 in the regional and North Decatur 28-7 in the semistate. Davis ran for 207 yards and Willis threw for 220 in the semistate.
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20 hours ago, coachkj said:
As a former NAIA player and coach, as well as an NCAA D-II coach (Not to mention a father of an NAIA and NCAA D-III football players.) I have to respond....
NAIA has initial eligibility requirements for incoming freshmen.
NCAA D-III does not. Get into the school you are eligible.
And no, NCAA schools don't necessarily have higher entrance requirements.
One of my two degrees is from an NAIA university and I'm pretty proud of it.
It was more an old rehashed joke about the NAIA's significantly more relaxed recruiting rules, and not a dig at the quality of institutions in the association.
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Traditional powers, familiar foes meet in semistate
Andrew Smith
GridironDigest.comIt’s the weekend before Thanksgiving and the Center Grove Trojans are playing football.
If it feels like a November rite of passage, it’s because the Trojans are in the semistate for the fifth consecutive year and the 13th time in the last 15 years.
At 10-2 and ranked No. 3 in Class 6A, the Trojans face a rematch with No. 2 Cathedral (10-1) at Longshore Stadium at Arsenal Tech High School in Indianapolis, with a trip to the State Finals on the line.
It’s a rematch of teams who are both seeking their third straight state championship - CG won the last two years in Class 6A, Cathedral in 5A.
Center Grove has used a powerful offense, which is scoring 35.9 ppg, to advance to the semistate. After a narrow 14-10 win over Franklin Central in the sectional opener, the Trojans dispatched Columbus North 49-14 and Warren Central 42-32. Running back Micah Coyle ran for 301 yards and four TDs in last week’s regional victory.
That has complemented a passing game led by quarterback Tyler Cherry, who has thrown for 2,081 yards this season. Knowing they had Noah Coy - who has 1,060 receiving yards and 13 TDs on 56 catches - and solid slots Eli Hohlt and Owen Wright - returning, the Trojans expected to have a strong passing game. Moving Jalen Thomeson over to running back to complement Coyle has given the team a solid 1-2 punch in the backfield, as Coyle has 1,723 yards and Thomeson 869. Both are averaging more than six yards per carry.
“Well we sort of had to adapt to that system of playing and it has helped us win games,” CG coach Eric Moore said. “We lost our great RB Drew Wheat 8 plays into the 2022 season vs WC and had to totally change our plan of attack. We practice and work on the passing game more than people understand, in fact most people that watch us practice don’t understand why and how we practice passing this much. This year with the loss of Drew, we have used the pass to set up the run.”
With playmakers in the passing and running games, CG is averaging 420 yards per game.
“With that we have compromised most defenses making them pick the poison, stop pass or slow down the run,” Moore said.
Cathedral is no stranger to success, having won big at the Class 5A level before moving up to 6A due to the Tournament Success Factor. They’re seeking their 15th state championship and 18th State Finals appearance.
The Irish are led by one of the state’s top passers in junior Danny O’Neil. A multi-year starter, he has thrown for 2,579 yards and 32 touchdowns, with Jaron Tibbs (895 yards), David Ayers (640 yards) and Brennan Wooten (484 yards) his top targets. Add running back Carson Johnson, who needs 10 yards to eclipse 1,000 for the season, and Cathedral is one of 6A’s top-scoring teams at 37 ppg.
But Cathedral had to grind out a 14-7 victory over Brownsburg last week in the regional - avenging a regular season loss from Week 2. O’Neil threw for 168 yards and a touchdown to Ayers, who had 93 receiving yards. Cathedral downed Lawrence North 44-35 and Lawrence Central 33-13 in the sectional to get to the regional.
The Trojans and Irish are meeting in the state tournament for the first time, but they are no strangers to each other. They’ve met in Week 9 annually since 2014. This year, Cathedral rallied to win 40-29 after trailing 29-13 going into the final quarter. O’Neil threw for 410 yards - 164 to Tibbs and 162 to Wooten - and five TDs in that contest. Cherry threw for 202 yards - 125 to Coy.
“The Rematch? We’re not really thinking of it in those terms,” Moore said. “This is the game both teams must win to obtain their goal to be in the state championship. It just happens to be between two teams that play in the regular season. Yes it is a chance to regain our self esteem we lost after such a break down late in the last game. For that we have worked on things that caused problems from the CG standpoint, not merely what Cathedral did to hurt us or beat us.”
Lawrenceburg facing surging Bulldogs
Four weeks ago, the Monrovia Bulldogs were 2-7 and entering one of the state’s toughest sectionals.
The Bulldogs are now just one win away from the State Finals, but they travel to face a 12-1 Lawrenceburg squad that has won 12 consecutive games.
Monrovia dispatched previously-unbeaten Owen Valley 26-21 last week after wins over Purdue Poly, Speedway and Danville in the sectional.
“Monrovia is very hot right now,” Lawrenceburg coach Ryan Knigga said. “They have found a way to win games in the tournament. They have beat some good football programs on this run and are playing really well. You better be ready to stop the run. They want to run the football. Your backend guys can't fall asleep or they will play-action you and hit the deep ball. You need to make every possession count.”
Monrovia’s run-heavy attack is led by junior Brayton Belcher, who has 1,035 yards and 11 touchdowns. Dustin Kostrzewski adds 797 yards and Jozy Hand 517 on the ground. Hand led the running game with 90 yards and a touchdown last week at OV.
While the Bulldogs’ record showed struggles, they played stiff competition - three of their regular-season losses were to teams ranked in the top five of their respective classes, and two foes - Linton and Indianapolis Lutheran - are still alive.
Lawrenceburg is in the semistate for the second consecutive year. The Tigers have one of the state’s top defense, having allowed just three touchdowns since the tournament began, and that came after closing the regular season with six consecutive shutouts. The Tigers’ lone loss came to county rival East Central - a Class 4A regional champion - in the opening week.
“Our defense has been outstanding,” Knigga said. “That unit has gotten better each week. They fly around to the ball and make plays. They are fun to watch. We knew our defense had a chance to be good as we brought seven guys back from that Regional team last year. Going into the season we knew they would need to carry us. They have done just that. I think it starts with our seniors. They have been great leaders. It is a player-led locker room. They handle all the business and take care of things. To have a defense like we have, it is not one person or two. To do what they have done takes multiple guys. We feel we have multiple guys who are performing well on that side of the ball and contributing to our success.”
Among those are senior Joey Pierce, who has 106 tackles, 10 for loss, and four interceptions. Sophomore Noah Knigga has 13 tackles for loss. Junior Zavyn Slayback also has four picks for a team that has forced 32 turnovers.
Offensively, the Tigers feature two 1,000-yard rushers in junior Teagan Bennett and senior Alex Witte. They have combined for 32 touchdowns.
Last week, Witte ran for 252 yards and Bennett 148 as the Tigers combined for 400 yards on the ground to down a solid Southridge squad 31-7 in the regional.
“It was a battle,” Knigga said. “Southridge is a very good team. They are coached well and execute very well. It was a huge win for our program. We have been in that game the past few years and it was a bump in the road for us, so it felt great to get over that bump. I am very proud of our kids. They were resilient and just battled for four quarters. I thought all our players performed well. You’ve got to perform well to win that game
“Overall, it was a great team win and I am proud of our kids and coaches.”
Unbeatens meet up
Two games feature unbeaten teams - one in Class 6A, one in Class A. In 6A, Carroll (Fort Wayne) hosts Hamilton Southeastern. HSE is ranked No. 1 in the class and is looking to make its first State Finals appearance in 17 years. Carroll has never been in the State Finals, but advanced by winning a 21-20 matchup with Lafayette Jeff last week. … In Class A, defending state champion Indianapolis Lutheran visits North Decatur. That contest features the state’s leading passer in Lutheran’s Jackson Willis (3,670 yards) against a North Decatur defense that is allowing 6.8 ppg. ND won its first regional in school history last week. … Also in Class A’s northern bracket, unbeaten Adams Central meets 12-1 North Judson, putting the top four teams in the polls in the semistate, with a combined record of 51-1 between them. … A big rematch takes place in Class 4A, where Roncalli and East Central played to a 21-19 game in Week 9, which was won by the Royals. The two teams meet again at EC’s field, where the host Trojans are looking to make their first State Finals appearance since 2017. Roncalli is looking to return for the second time in three seasons after Luke Hansen ran for 195 yards in a 20-7 victory over No. 1 New Palestine last week. … Class 3A features an intriguing matchup as No. 1 West Lafayette puts its 13-0 record on the line at No. 3 Indianapolis Chatard. Both schools have recent state titles - WL in 2017, Chatard in 2020. … A couple of Region-Summit matchups take place between traditional powers, as Valparaiso visits Fort Wayne Snider in 5A. Valpo avenged a loss to Merrillville last week with a 15-14 regional victory. No. 1 Snider, seeking its first State Finals appearance since 2015, defeated Mishawaka 41-27 last week. In 2A, defending state champ Andrean hosts Fort Wayne Luers. Alongside Monrovia, Luers is the other team with a sub-.500 regular season record to advance to the semistate. The Knights went 4-5 before rolling through Prairie Heights, Churubusco, Eastside and Bluffton, with the 35-21 victory over Eastside in the sectional final the closest contest. … In addition to North Decatur and Carroll (Fort Wayne), Whiteland will also be seeking its first-ever State Finals appearance in Class 5A this week.
Semistate matchups
Class 6A
- No. 1 Hamilton Southeastern (12-0) at No. 5 Carroll (Fort Wayne) (12-0)
- No. 3 Center Grove (10-2) at No. 2 Indianapolis Cathedral (10-1) (at Tech HS)
Class 5A
- No. 9 Valparaiso (9-3) at No. 1 Fort Wayne Snider (11-1)
- No. 2 Whiteland (11-1) at Castle (8-4)
Class 4A
- No. 7 New Prairie (12-1) at No. 6 Kokomo (12-1)
- No. 2 Roncalli (12-1) at No. 4 East Central (11-2)
Class 3A
- No. 3 Indianapolis Chatard (9-4) at No. 1 West Lafayette (13-0)
- Monrovia (6-7) at No. 5 Lawrenceburg (12-1)
Class 2A
- No. 8 Fort Wayne Luers (8-5) at No. 3 Andrean (9-3)
- No. 1 Linton (13-0) at No. 5 Ev. Mater Dei (10-3)
Class A
- No. 2 Adams Central (13-0) at No. 4 North Judson (12-1)
- No. 1 Indianapolis Lutheran (13-0) at No. 3 North Decatur (13-0)
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3 hours ago, ragdoll said:
Martinsville, despite being very average (see East Central runaway drubbing), has strangely had success against Whiteland the last two seasons, moving the ball and scoring well while slowing down the fly enough. So, that would be a real eyebrow raise for me.
Whiteland's offense is very unique. But the teams who see it every year have a lot more data to gameplan for it and know what they've done that's worked in the past. It's not as "new" to them.
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20 hours ago, Irishman said:
To clarify, the field width for HS is 53 and 1/3 yards. The distance between the hashes is 40 feet. And the distance from the hashes to the sidelines is 60 feet.
I believe those are the NCAA dimensions. In HS, the hashmarks divide the field into thirds and are 53'4" apart.
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17 hours ago, JustRules said:
Playing rules yes. Recruiting and contact rules very different. I think NAIA may technically have some rules but I'm not sure how much they enforce them.
One of the college fields I've worked on has both HS and college hash marks because it's a community field used for both. Every time I've worked there I've put the ball on the HS hash for a college game at least once. The snapper very politely reminds me of my error.
They don't call it the "National Association of Ineligible Athletes" for no reason :).
In all seriousness, NAIA's recruiting rules are really lax compared to NCAA's, but the playing rules are the same. NAIA also doesn't have the restriction on third parties renting out their facilities for HS games, but methinks there are very few NAIA facilities where that would be an issue, as most NAIA basketball gymnasiums are the same size as/smaller than HS facilities in the area. -
8 minutes ago, coachkj said:
When you play Ritter at Marian there are no HS hashmarks and the goalposts are not swapped out. Its like ground rules being discussed for baseball stadiums/fields.
I've heard of some officiating crews taking two steps outside the college hashmarks to mark the ball for high school. Do they do that or just play with the NCAA ones?
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1 hour ago, oldtimeqb said:
Related - I feel like the NFL has given up trying to make sure the inside/slot receiver isn't covered up by the wideout. I watch games and there is no way one of them is off and one is on.
I can't be the only one watching games on Sunday and think "No way is that guy eligible to go downfield."
I'm not an official, but I do the same. I'm always looking to see if the slots are covered up.
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8 hours ago, gindie said:
In some of the discussions in the forum regarding neutral fields, the subject of using college fields has come up. Is my memory failing me, or was there an edict a while back from the NCAA saying that their stadiums couldn't be used for high school? I seem to remember something about not allowing these early season invitationals to be played at college stadiums any longer.
The NCAA rule is that *independent third party* organizations cannot use college venues. For example, Ray Compton's group cannot rent Hinkle Fieldhouse or Assembly Hall for a game. What was happening was shoe companies and somewhat slimy folks in the basketball recruiting game were scheduling "shootouts" at college venues involving prime recruits to try to steer those recruits to that school.
A school or a state association (such as the IHSAA) absolutely can rent out college venues. Several State Finals are held at them - volleyball & gymnastics at BSU, track at IU, softball at Purdue. GBB was at ISU for a few years. But third parties cannot.
I believe the Tri-Eastern Conference rents out Ball State's stadium for a Saturday quadrupleheader every few years. A few years back, when Purdue had a Friday home game, it offered up Ross-Ade for the local high schools to play on Saturday.
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19 minutes ago, FastpacedO said:
NFL and NCAA goalposts are 18 feet, 6 inches wide. High school goalposts are 23 feet, 4 inches wide
Hashmarks are different, too.
It's 40' between the hashmarks on an NCAA field, 53.3' between the hashmarks on an NFHS one. Although HS hashmarks can usually be applied to a college field fairly easily, converting the goalposts is a more arduous task.
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5 hours ago, Bobref said:
Threesome?
This is a family website, Bob :).
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2 hours ago, AW0352 said:
I had to look up Fly sweep. I’m my mind I pictured jet sweep. Looks very similar to the Wing T offense (which is awesome in high school). A little more research and I found Fly sweep is a descendant of the Wing T offense.
Without knowing the blocking schemes, et al, it looks like the Wing-T, jet sweep and I-formation had a baby and called it the Fly offense.
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On 11/12/2022 at 2:23 PM, TigerFan20 said:
Looks they only lost to Martinsville 35-21. But it seems like they are heavy run offense on the season, with over 3400 rushing yards and averaging 6.9 YPC and 40 TDS. 1 RB with 1100+ yards and 2 with 500+ yards
Whiteland is always run-heavy. It's fly sweep left, fly sweep right and if you adjust to that, they hit you with the tailback up the middle out of the I formation. They run about 90% of the time with multiple backs and they're very good at it.
14 hours ago, TigerFan20 said:Any word on a livestream
IHSAAtv will have all semistate games, but PPV ($12 per game).
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11 minutes ago, FastpacedO said:
It was nothing personal towards you @crimsonace1 nor New Pal. Knowing Coach Ralph (who played at a Private Catholic HS St. Xavier Cincy OH. He doesn't put stock in that and is of the mindset get better. Not all are the same though.
Fully understood - New Pal will play anybody anywhere, too (as evidenced by scheduling Center Grove & Westfield) and expect to win every Friday night. But as someone who is interested in class alignments and who gets the Success Factor bump, that was just something I found intriguing. Cathedral has proven it can compete and win at a 6A level (just as New Pal proved pretty well it can compete at the 5A level, especially as evidenced by 3 State Finals appearances in the eight years it was in the class).
This will be a dynamite game this week.
13 minutes ago, FastpacedO said:In all honesty if the IHSAA did step in, I would play it at U of I since the complaint is venue accommodations. Since it is a College and not a Middle School should have plenty of visiting seating right? right?
The problem with UIndy is needing to put high school hashmarks and goalposts on the field. I know other tourney games have been held there (especially Scecina hosting a few games there), but it's not a great spot. The visiting side is also *very* small (and much smaller than Tech's).
Cathedral has hosted games at North Central, too, which also has plenty of accommodations for a large crowd (and a better press box). But Tech is a good stadium and much more centrally-located.
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2024-25 and 25-26 Enrollments released by IHSAA
in The Indiana High School Football Forum
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Cathedral will be in 5A, not 4A. You can only drop one class if you don't get enough SF points to stay up.