Trojan88

41 minutes ago, Lysander said:

Congrats to Coach Quintana!  Great opportunity.  He’ll be missed.

Roncalli is getting a solid young coach who will do great things with that program! Congrats all the way to Coach Q!

13 hours ago, psaboy said:

This is being overblown by social media. I think taking these precautions are a good idea, but lets not go overboard. 

The first influenza pandemic was recorded in 1580, and since then, influenza pandemics occurred every 10 to 30 years.

When all is said and down, probably mid summer, it will probably be similar to the swine flu. This pandemic killed around half a million people worldwide. It caused about 12,000 deaths in the United States. I don't recall all these precautions in 2009 with Obama. In fact, the media barely covered this. 

Predictions and history are a moot point as this is a different disease with different factors contributing to decisions. Personally, I could care less what CNN or FOX has to say about this...I want to hear from the CDC and the WHO - they are the experts and they are the ones who will provide us with the facts and the direction to make us safe.

21 hours ago, Titan32 said:

I know coaches that were contacted in previous years for AP that were not this year....and also how it came out so late.  I think the whole thing was just pencil whipped looking at IFCA and a couple other data points.

That may be true, and, if so, the kids are the ones who pay the price for adults being lazy and/or unprepared. Again, maybe the process should be reviewed and, at a minimum, remove those who just "pencil whip". I also asked some members of the AP how the process works so I can better understand. Waiting on that reply.

On 1/17/2020 at 1:18 PM, JackStraw1 said:

Absolutely agree here!  Kyle Cheek was very deserving this year of All State honors.  The numbers speak for themselves, and he led them to a state championship, playing the hardest playoff schedule possible.  The kid is a gamer!  The limit on nominations prevented several on Chatard from All State honors -  no juniors on the IFCA All state Junior team???  As I stated in a previous post, there were at least two very deserving juniors, especially given their performance against better competition in regular season and in the playoffs against the #2, #3, #4, #5 and #11 ranked teams in 3A.   I understand the rules on limitations and coaches nominating seniors, but sometimes rules should be changed, like the rule that gets you thrown out of a national championship for targeting!

I noted the juniors on a different post and it is perplexing. There is no way on gods green earth that any list, and I mean any list, which recognizes All State Juniors would not include at least one Chatard Junior player. Something is wrong with this. Maybe the process? Maybe the members of the IFCA could think through this a bit and come up with something that is much more reflective of reality. Not sure how that happens and would love to hear thoughts on that as well. Minimum of 2 if not 4 or 5 juniors who easily could have, and should have, made that list.

On ‎1‎/‎9‎/‎2020 at 3:45 AM, Lysander said:

Got no personal investment in this whatsoever (my kids are LOOOOONG past their playing days), but just how QB Kyle Cheek of Chatard doesn’t even receive an Honorable Mention (maybe I misread or missed something) baffles me.  The kid didn’t get any mention in Coaches’ either.  Heck....I don’t think he got any post season accolades whatsoever outside of All-Conference.
 

This was arguably the most prolific scoring Chatard team, frankly, EVER and ended up ranked 3rd in the State (All Classes) per Maxpreps (personally, I think that’s correct, btw...but would have loved to have seen that Sr. class play New Pal like they did their Freshman year) and 6th overall per Sagarin (All Classes....5th in Predictor, btw) with an offense divided 50/50 between passing and running.....rarely playing a game that didn’t have a running clock (only 1 regular season game didn’t have a running clock).

I really feel like the kid got overlooked.

 

So, I have been wondering the same thing + a few other questions regarding this. I have talked to some folks who have inside knowledge on how the voting works and how the voting took place. It appears the process does not work well for players who happen to be on teams which are head and shoulders above every other team in the class, like Chatard this past year.

If you review the data (Max Preps, not perfect I know, but its what I have) - Kyle Cheek was absolutely, at a minimum, an Honorable Mention in 3A for QB. I would contend that he earned significant All-State consideration. Kyle Adams was excellent and more than deserving. However,  Kyle Cheek would be right there in 3A and probably the state (all classes). Through November 20th, I took ALL the QBs in the state and sorted out the top 50 based on passing yards. Then, I ranked those remaining 50 based on QBR. Not perfect, but enough of a picture to support my assertion. Here would be the top 10:

Kyle Cheek did get an All-City nod, but you could make the case he was the best QB in the city as the QB who won Player of the Year stats would have ranked at #30 in the state, using the above math.

Then, IFCA all state limits coaches to 5 nominees. I understand the spirit of the rule, but when a team clearly is better than every other 3A team during a season, doesn't it make sense that an exception could/should be made. Kyle was not even nominated due to the depth of talent on the team. The two all state, class 3A QBs do not even make the top 50 of this list. Not trying to say they don't deserve it, but the numbers suggest that Kyle Cheek sure does.

So, not only was he not recognized in IFCA All State, I have to assume that the AP All State was a function of the press cutting and pasting rather than actually awarding based on performance as there is no way Kyle Cheek is not deserving of, at a minimum, Honorable Mention with the dozen or so QBs who made the list.

SO, the way I see it - I agree - kid was more than overlooked and part of that has to do with a process which did not allow for him to even be considered. Ultimately, the team won State which is what the goal was, but history is written with Kyle Cheek "getting overlooked" due to the process, I think.

An absolute shame.

Happy to hear any thoughts/feedback.

8 minutes ago, Gipper said:

No way in hell you do, get over yourself.

Or just leave and go somewhere else  - a lot of postings and energy related to DT and that comment. Seriously, get over it and yourself. Not sure why you are so bent, but are there not better topics to cover? And, for your specific topic, then start your own forum with your own site. Is that direct enough? Jeez.

15 minutes ago, POTLUCK said:

Typical response from someone that likes to dodge the truth! By the way, sentences should start with a capital letter and end with some sort of punctuation. Must be that private school education you received! You appear to be like some others that have been in the news recently, because you sure do not like to answer questions when asked. Let's try this again. How many public schools hold open houses? I'll wait patiently for your response!

To my knowledge, public schools do not hold open houses. Private schools do in order to communicate what they have to offer a prospective student and their family. Very common and appropriate.

Now - on to your statement about recruiting...and understanding that I do not dodge the truth, rather I ask to understand the facts which support it (unlike many in today's environment). So, give me your facts to support your comment "Does that mean he recruited one of Chatard's historically best teams" - got anything?

3 hours ago, POTLUCK said:

When you say "put together". Does that mean he recruited one of Chatard's historically best teams? Typically high school coaches do not put together football teams, they are already there waiting on them.

you are hilarious, not very smart or educated, but hilarious

Absolute savant - Mike Dum - Chatard. Great young coach who has a very bright future.

I would also add Kyle Dietrick and Rob Doyle Jr to that list.

All three young, very smart, and excellent motivators and game planners!

Wanna look at 3A QBs - here ya go...

Seriously?

AND - regarding Juniors - no way a list is complete without at least ONE Chatard player...

23 hours ago, BigTimeDB said:

My understanding of IFCA awards, like coach's association awards for other sports, is that it starts with the players' own coaches.  If they don't put your name in the hat, you're not going to be one of the candidates.  I firmly believe that my son would not have received his all-state honors if I had not asked one of the coaches if his stats made him worthy of submission.  I could tell that they had not put much thought into submitting his name until I asked the question.  Knowing this and then also seeing kids who had lackluster stats (in various positions) make the lists, likely because more names were not brought forward, devalued the awards in my mind.  The same thing happened in volleyball this year when I saw that a mid-tier volleyball program in our conference had two girls that received coach's association all-state honors.  Both girls were okay players but not all-state caliber.  Their coach did a great job of getting them exposure.  

1 hour ago, Coach Nowlin said:

So all WL had to do was beat, Guerin, then Chatard, both on the road, then FW Concordia  then Mish Marian, then make it to 3a State and Beat Heritage Hills? 

If you are scoring at home, that would of been 4 straight Private schools on their way to Lucas. 

That would of made up the difference between the 2?  

All 3 were tremendous QBs and athletes.  I know I am bias, however facing Kyle Adams 2 times in person and all the game film that I watched of him, the throws he made, the fact he got a legit big time scholarship to James Madison, a premier program in the FCS division was enough for me to see him on the Mr. Football ballot as QB position winner. If Kyle Adams was 6'1 he is not going James Madison........

 Not a knock against Wright, very good HS QB himself.   

If you look at the top 50 Indiana QBs (passing yards) and then from that 50 rank the top10 based on QBR - Adams is for sure there. The others (WeBo, Cathedral) do not make this list. These awards are part numbers, part coaches, and part politics/other non-football factors.

20 hours ago, Screagle said:

I know without question when a private wins a state championship it’s because of recruiting and family/school resources. When a public wins it it’s a great feeder program with solid coaching throughout the program. 

If you are going to make such rude and disparaging comments, then show your facts to support it. I highly doubt you have these facts and you tossing this around minimizes the hard work and dedication by the players, coaches, school, and community.

Let me be direct - recruiting does not occur at Chatard. Again, if you have facts to support your comment, bring it. Otherwise, please stop with your negative bashing...its not fair and taints the shine of all the well deserved championships in our school history.

22 hours ago, Lysander said:

True.  The Deanery school teams used to run whatever they wanted.  I assume that is still the same.  

If I recall correctly, when Doyle was Freshman coach at Chatard even he didn’t run the varsity offense (players may correct me on this, though).

That would be correct

Three more days. Three more days.

So looking forward to this game at LOS. There is no doubt these two teams have prepared, worked hard, had huge levels of support and now get to showcase their talents downtown at the Luke. Very fitting to have #1 vs #2.

Every player, family, and school will no doubt celebrate the accomplishments and will cheer loudly on game day. I expect a very physical game where HH may look to bleed the clock with its running game and keep Chatard's offense on the bench. How this unfolds will be a war of wills as Chatard's defense has been very stout all year. Something will have to give.

I think the game really will come down to how HH plays defense and Chatard's ability to make adjustments to capitalize. They truly have the ability to move the ball quite a few ways and I am not sure HH will have enough to stop, or even slow, it. Also, understanding there are several two way players for HH, I would expect the game to potentially blow up in the second half.

Both teams are deserving. Just think Chatard will be too much in the end.

2 minutes ago, DT said:

P/p has played by different rules for years both academically and athletically, why would they think they should be held to the same moral standard now?

Among the most loathsome things I have ever seen written here.

Please crawl back into whatever hate filled little hole you slimed up from.

 

Entitlement breeds hubris

•  

Whether we like it or not, we have all been born into this world as part of one great human family. Rich or poor, educated or uneducated, belonging to one nation or another, to one religion or another, adhering to this ideology or that, ultimately each of is just a human being like everyone else. We all desire happiness and do not want suffering.

--Dalai Lama

4 minutes ago, DT said:

This is more of a gut feel, subjective topic.  One either "feels" that PPs get special treatment, or "doesnt feel" that way. Its not a fact driven debate.  I have no hate nor bias towards pps or publics.  I enjoy them all.  But I'm also not so naive as to know that some have significant advantages over others.  

 

Having different advantages or different levels of support is different than different rules or special treatment. I make it a fact driven debate because if you are going to disparage, then back it up. Otherwise, it is an opinion that unreasonably casts negative shadows on teams and programs that do it the right way and should not have to submit to blanket statements or false narratives.

1 minute ago, DT said:

TRCJunkie is making a good point.  And he's right.  There are different rules for PPs and Publics.

Do you have facts to back this up or are you just throwing out opinions and letting your own hate/bias spread inappropriately?

3 minutes ago, DannEllenwood said:

This is not a public school vs PP school thing/debate/issue.

This is a people and heart issue.

 

Absolutely correct!

1 hour ago, TRCJunkie said:

P/p has played by different rules for years both academically and athletically, why would they think they should be held to the same moral standard now?

Lazy comment - am I to assume then that your public school has different rules? What are they? What is your source? So easy to throw out opinions, but yours must be based on some type of fear and some type of weak "academic" public standard...if we use your logic, which I find beyond flawed.

There is a common sense moral standard that our society should be able to agree upon, but that would be another topic. Just had to respond to your careless comment which blankets a large segment of people who have nothing to do with this horrible situation.

An absolute horrible situation - prayers to all involved.

9 minutes ago, Obi-Wan said:

I feel like the school or the Archdiocese should get out in front before the IHSAA gets involved. Again this is super sad, but Roncalli and the Archdiocese need to show that they have the needs of their students front in center after this issue. As a teacher myself this bothers me to my core.

Absolutely agree - well said!

1 hour ago, TRCJunkie said:

P/p has played by different rules for years both academically and athletically, why would they think they should be held to the same moral standard now?

back up your statement with some facts - outside of that..

5 minutes ago, Temptation said:

What are feeder schools?

noun

• A school from which many or most students progress to a particular higher-level educational institution.

   

  Basically, there are several Catholic parishes in Indianapolis. Many of these parishes have schools. In Indianapolis, these schools typically "feed" the 4 Catholic high schools (Chatard, Roncalli, Scecina, and Ritter). Typically, a child who is a part of a certain parish will go to the high school associated with that parish.

Thoughts and prayers to all - so tragic!

25 minutes ago, Indian72 said:

People were questioning how many Chatard kids were not from their feeder schools.  That same question should be asked of Marian as well.  Fair is fair.  Not that it changes anything.

 

Actually - outside of one school (Cathedral), I think the questions about "recruiting" and "feeder schools" and all that other stuff just needs to stop. I personally do not care how many Marian kids came from feeder schools. That is for IHSAA to police/monitor...good or bad. Every comment made is outlandish and tarnishes the team and the players who work so hard, not fair to paint them with that brush.

That being said - thank you to Marian for their hospitality and for a great game. Great families and great players. Many of whom were gracious enough to wish us luck long after the game was over - class act!

It would appear that this game could be close, especially when smoothing out the "other factors" like played at LOS before, etc. It seems EN has answered every challenge this year and I would expect them to do the same vs. EM. Should be a good one though...just think EM inconsistency and some inexperience will ultimately be the difference, but who knows? 

Prediction: EN 24  -   EM 14

I will be sitting back enjoying the games Saturday...hopefully still smiling from a Chatard win Friday!