Lysander

6 minutes ago, Lysander said:

 

Generally not my time of year to post since I’m well between day long Margarita binges, second degree burns and Florida Daytona area racing but just send the post season records my way and I’ll spit out the info needed.

On 12/14/2023 at 12:04 PM, Titan32 said:

Anime kids are quite the rage now....it's like the new Emo...only with more cleavage.

As simultaneously a hillbilly red-neck troglodyte who somehow stumbled his way through college and some IU school having something or other to do regarding legal interactions…..and a Gawdamn red-blooded American male (the worst person in the world per today’s DEI Commissars apparently),  cleavage has always been a bit….errr….one could say…...inspirational to me personally….not so much the Emo stuff, though….unless those Emo chicks are MASSIVELY endowed.   

Just how cancelled am I at this point? 

Actually, while in college, one of my best buddies (a looong-time physician these days in Brownsburg…I’ll keep his name anonymous) used to play for us his cassette tapes (cutting edge technology at the time) of he and one of his best HS friends announcing the “Olympic Belch-Offs”.  This friend was some dude known today as Mark Patrick…..for those of us who remember. 

Arguably the funniest and grossest thing I’ve heard before or since.  I think the “long jump belch” lasted every bit of 45 seconds.  God forbid, the musical “flutter belch”.  Let alone the “poetry reading belch”. 

True talent is seldom recognized in its time.

On 12/4/2023 at 11:49 AM, oldtimeqb said:

*** me quickly Googling "manga" ***

I guess I have lived a sheltered life, despite my public school upbringing. 

Hey…I knew what “manga” was although the kids and I some years back were much more into “anime”….especially the “mecha” and “cyberpunk” stuff.  “Ghost in the Shell” (anime version) is simply incredible….arguably one of the top 10 Sci-Fi films over the last 50 years.

But hey, time for me to get back to my Gene Tracy and Redd Foxx 8 track tapes…right after I install that new carburetor on the Buick.

8 hours ago, Irishman said:

But do non public schools have special needs students? It isn't only about kids with other interests. It's about the kids who are not able to participate because of various disabilities. There is also the population that is interested in nothing. Our building in particular has over 200 ELL kids, and more than 12% of our students are non diploma track kids. Yet we are in 4A.........implying that just based on numbers, we are identical to Bishop Dwenger. Want to know what the numbers above look like in their building? About 1% and all of their kids are diploma track kids. Others? and the ELL kids that Catholic Charities helped bring here as refugees? Non existent. 

You’ve always pointed out that there are special needs kids who simply aren’t going to participate in varsity level sports via some form of handicap (physical or otherwise….though I can actually recall a quite good one armed kicker for Batesville back in my day), severe learning disability, etc. (I admit questioning whether ELL might be somehow considered disqualifying).  I’ve always been in favor of not counting them towards student population as regards IHSAA class designations.  Is there some reason it is impractical or illegal to do so? That strikes me as a, frankly, uncontroversial (and sensible) change the IHSAA could institute tomorrow.  In a certain sense, it acts as a “negative multiplier” for Publics based on a very precise calculation.  

I realize it’s not a multiplier or automatic bump that some want but incorporating this into the IHSAA class determination calculation might go a heckuva long way towards making a reasonable adjustment EVERYBODY can get behind.

What am I missing here?

You’ve pointed this out for years.  It seems totally reasonable and sensible (at least, I’ve always thought so) but just why hasn’t it gotten any traction?

3 hours ago, foxbat said:

A couple of things to be careful of with Chatard is that the reason that they aren't still in 4A has little to do with the IDEA of SF not working and much more to do with anomalies.  As such, I'm not all that worried about Chatard in the long run having an impact on the landscape.  Realize that Chatard has been in 4A twice under SF:

• In 2013, they ran into New Pal in its ascendancy toward a 2014 state title.  Likely half a dozen other sectionals and they would have gotten more points.  In 2014, they dropped a post-season game to Roncalli.  The problem with the 2013-2014 SF cycle is that it required 4 POINTS to stay up.  Cathedral is the only team that I recall that was part of the inaugural SF crowd that actually remained on POINTS ... a couple of others went for SF and stayed for enrollment.  Even without running into New Pal in 2013, I think the chances of most teams garnering 4 points would be hard to see happening.  Even LCC, who headed to semi-state and dropped a 3-point game with the eventual 2A winner in 2014, RCHS, only picked up a total of 2 points on the cycle.  I would not count the 2013-2014 SF cycle as an indicator for any data points because the 4-point stay requirement was high-flawed and basically made the first SF cycle more like a beta test, at best, than anything else. 
• In 2021, they went up again, but only stayed for a single season due to the "COVID factor" and the IHSAA sticking them in a sectional with Roncalli.  That year, LCC had 1 point in 2A and stayed up and Chatard had 0 points in 4A and dropped back down.  The two-year cycle problem was even worse as a one-year cycle.  

In essence, I wouldn't necessarily say that Chatard not staying up in 4A is something that will require them figuring out "how to get better" or weather 4A.  The two times that they ended up in 4A were both not what I would consider regular cycles for figuring potential/trends given the stay-point flaw and the COVID anomaly treatment.

Incidentally, I think the IHSAA is making a mistake moving from a 2-point stay requirement to a 3-point stay requirement.  Pretty much that means if you don't make it out of sectionals in any year of the cycle, you need a ring the next year to stay ... and that's getting into anomaly territory again.

 

 

Agreed.  That sums it up for the most part.  People have forgotten that 4A New Pal AND 4A Columbus East both had teams during that period that were operating at the level of this year’s East Central team….not just for 1 year but several years.  It was almost impossible to run the 4A gamut and earn the needed 4 points to stay up during that time….let alone beat Roncalli in Sectional year after year.

I, too, think the IHSAA went the wrong direction in raising it to 3 points from 2 points (I really would like to know their reasoning for this change).  Frankly, they should lower it to 1 point.  If you can win a Sectional in a bumped up class 50% of the time that seems pretty definitive that you can compete effectively in that class and indicative that you truly belong in that class.

I’m pretty certain that if it had only required 1 point to stay “up” in 2013, Chatard would STILL be in 4A starting then…..and that’s with them sharing a Sectional with Roncalli (which I will contend is a bad pairing if the IHSAA really was committed to the intent of the SF).

I think everybody here that’s paid attention knows I’ve LONG wanted to see Chatard a fixture in 4A (but with the ability to potentially move up even more via the Success Factor).  I think that an improved SF remains the way v. automatic bumps or multipliers.  If anyone remembers, I was strongly opposed to the SF back in the day and advocated an automatic bump.  I’ve had a lot of years to reconsider and have come around that the automatic bump for EVERY P/P school in EVERY sport (boys and girls) because a handful of schools have extraordinary football success simply isn’t the right or fair approach. Bump schools in the sport tge punch above class in but leave everything else alone.  The SF seems the only way to get this right.

2 hours ago, Grover said:

Skill player with the most hype.

Agreed.  Almost always.

That said, I’m all in for Ringer….have been since watching his State Championship game last year.  He certainly hasn’t disappointed.

51 minutes ago, RingLeader said:

#1 for Chatard is a dude

5 picks in state finals 😳

When asked if he was impressed after game he said….he was

🔥🔥🔥

Kyle Guy’s younger brother.

Heritage Hills was all class during the game - extending hands to help opposing players up, never showing any frustration, etc.  Impressive young men.  A credit to themselves, their parents, their coaches….and their community.

I just can’t imagine a team this well coached, young and loaded with talent not making another trip or two to LOS over these next couple of years.

35 minutes ago, Trojan said:

Not sure if Chatard is still this way, but they used to always decline the practice at the Dome/Can.  It always seemed like more of distraction than benefit.  That said, of course I can see the location benefit.  I'm surprised the Patriots went to such lengths for a practice, but I'm sure they will be ready today.

Not sure either these days but L, I believe, considered it a distraction and disruptive so generally practiced at Chatard….maybe at Park Tudor once as well?

I’m mobile.. listening on AM radio. If you’re even possibly asking me to do something technology related you’d best ask me to do brain surgery as well.

Lutheran 28-14

Roughly 4:00 left in 2nd

Lutheran 21-7

10:47 in 2nd

Lutheran up 14-7.  
 

End of 1st Q

"too"

I just couldn't bear seeing it....

8 hours ago, Impartial_Observer said:

I suspect Lysander will be out of his coma soon and he would know much better than I. 

This coma could last a week.  I get surly if awakened to soon.

52 minutes ago, FastpacedO said:

I thought you have been getting free lunches at the Booby Traps all you can eat buffet for years?

Brad's has a buffet this time of year...so I heard from @Rodney anyway...I think...maybe....possibly....

2 minutes ago, Rodney said:

all of the top 4a was busy gang banging 5a when memorial got to the party :L

I need a quiet moment to visualize...

3 minutes ago, oldtimeqb said:

Um. No. 

Totally sucks that I'm out of emojis.....maybe in a few hours.....

3 minutes ago, hhpatriot04 said:

Creampuffs? Many years the 3A state champion has beaten the 4A state champion. Memorial is on record as saying 3A has been harder than 4A.

That would require folks actually paying attention.

Apologies for really getting away from the subject....but since we have a whole week, I'm curious, just what years do you contend the top of 3A was better than 4A?  I have my own opinions.

25 minutes ago, Rodney said:

this isn't even a down year for 5a

nobody is saying there aren't a handful of good football teams in 5a this year,

but I'd still throw money behind EC and Chatard

to take the 5a title given the opportunity this year

and don't even get me started about 5a last season

because I have more than 1 or 2 teams from 3a/4a

that could have walked right into 5a for a free ring last year

 

 

so what we are left with is

5a is a decent class on the years

where snider decides they actually want to tackle the ball carrier

To repeat myself a week or so back....with a stolen quote

Genius is seldom recognized in its own time.

18 minutes ago, GoodKn19ht said:

Occam's Razor

Don't now the point you were making but I'm totally down with anybody referencing "Occam's Razor"....that's heavy duty.

6 minutes ago, BTF said:

I think Snider/Chatard would be a good game. Other than that, 5A would utterly smash 3A.  I think it would be a great game....Chatard has an opening Week 1, btw next year as I understand....I've heard 2 Indy area 6A teams starting with "C" mentioned as prospective opponents.   in the whole, 5 A smashes 3A (and 4A) but, I admit to not caring much about the bulk of teams in 3A and 4A.   I do truly believe that the top of 4A wins 5A most years unless Snider steps up.  3A sticks their nose in occasionally.  Snider, in my opinion, is (or should be) the gatekeeper in 5A

I think East Central might be slightly better than 5A's best. I'll know more after the weekend. But I'll take 5A's top six over 4A's top six. East Central is truly special this year.  Outside of East Central, 4A is not particularly special this year..I generally agree.  Last year was different...Roncalli and East Central were extraordinary. That said, I think EC cruises through 5A ....they are truly a Cincy area animal as to quality and a Top 4 team....even in OHIO.

Let's be honest, no one said anything about 5A being weak when Cathedral was there. I don't know what your definition of weak is, but I happen to think that Snider, Valpo, Merrillville, and Mishawaka are pretty good football teams from the north. The "5A is weak talk is overblown" and it's mainly because it's not dominated by an Indy team when Cathedral isn't there. It doesn't fit the "Indy is better than everyone else" narrative. Therefore it has to be weak.  As a, well. "non-lover" of Cathedral, I said from Day 1 that Cathedral never had it easier than when they ended up in 5A.  I declared 5A a piece of cake even then.  Although I have iived  in Indy for 40 plus years, my heart and soul is in a poor-ass southeast Indiana village of 500 people.  Hence my total respect for East Central and Lawrenceburg (and, maybe even, Batesville since Ron Raver's fortunate passing).  With that, Cathedral is 4A by student population...as was New Pal.  My point has always been that 5A was an abortive class with only a single "historic" football PROGRAM - Snider.  

All that said, I apologize for being a bit "chippy" today which is huge fun for me and I reserve the right to get chippy in this very next sentence.  I apologize to the extent needed...which I think is very little. I truly do respect Snider to be clear but have, in fact, truly, truly expected them to win 5A in most every year they found themselves in class.

That said, I will be rooting like Hell for them this weekend.

45 minutes ago, hhpatriot04 said:

The biggest thing that has separatedv the success of recent HH teams and those of the past is perfection. I was a bit worried that we had lost the recipe for success. We were winning but not dominating. I really like looking at the sidelines now and it is full of former coaches, teammates, and fellow alum. People like Coach Winchell coming back is the excellence needed and expected. (Yes watch out... HH will have a Goldsberry and Winchell on the same field for three years after this.)

There's no team I'd rather have to match up with in the state championship than Bishop Chatard. 

There is a certain “perfection” in the match that largely represents (in the broadest sense) the last 20-24 years in 3A….not to belittle many other great teams but it is hard to think of Chatard without also thinking of a Heritage Hills over the last 20 years.  

3 minutes ago, BTF said:

Lol, your true colors are really showing. It was just a matter of time.

I’ve always said this about 5A….nothing new here.  Do you really disagree?  That’s why I pick Snider every year…it should easy pickings for them.  

Yet it rarely seems to be.