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  1. 31 minutes ago, Bobref said:

    I don’t follow IU football. But correct me if I’m wrong. The guy who leads the nation in passing was once on scholarship at IU, but couldn’t get the job done? Guess he can play after all.

    Was on scholarship for 4 years and all 4 years suffered season ending injuries. Penix displayed an unbelievable amount of talent.....when he was healthy. 

  2. 6 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:

    So I will ask this again,  Who Ranks the Rankers?   

    Who is the 5* "chosen one"? Buchner? Buchner wasn't a 5* nor was he ever "benched". Milroe won the job out of camp. Ty Simpson is a redshirt-Freshman former 5* who backs up Milroe now. Buchner is 3rd string with two highly touted true freshman behind him redshirting. 

  3. 18 hours ago, Gipper said:

    Milroe is starting for some reason, I guess Darth Saban likes him

    Milroe is 10x better than Buchner. Buchner is like the 4th best QB on that roster. Buchner can't throw the ball more than 10 yards downfield. 

  4. 1 minute ago, Boilernation said:

    You split 4A in half to get the average of 67. Split 5A in half and the top half has an average of 39. Just go with Top 10's and it's 6 one way half dozen the other.  I believe the original argument was that 4A was much stronger than 5A. At this point I've kind of lost interest.

      I will say 5A will provide much more of an entertaining playoff. East Central and Chatard are primed to easily cruise through 4A and 3A. Without looking at enrollments I'm not sure how it would impact EC and Chatard or even Roncalli, but I do agree with some mentions on this thread that 1A should be cut in half and start bumping up. 

    I was asked to split 4A in half. I also did top to bottom averages for both 4A and 5A. There isn't a huge difference once everything is averaged out. 

    And the original argument was that 5A has been watered down since the inception of the success factor because the majority of 5A state champions have come from 4A enrollment schools. 

  5. 7 minutes ago, BTF said:

    So what proponents of 4A really need to be saying is, "the top half of 4A is better than 5A", not "4A is better than 5A." I can respect that even though we are seeing flaws with Sagarin. But let's leave 3A out of the equation (speaking to all posters). They'd get squashed by every class above it. 

    I think you can reasonably draw two conclusions from the data.

    1. 5A is better (only slightly) top to bottom than 4A....but isn't that expected?

    2. Collectively, the top 10 teams in 4A are just as good as the top 10 teams in 5A. 

    I think we can all agree that if the largest 32 schools stayed 6A and the smallest 32 schools went 1A, 5A would be much stronger than it currently is. 

  6. 11 minutes ago, BTF said:

    This is 5A vs 4A, not Top 10 vs Top 10. I'd be more interested in seeing how the Top 32 in each class match up against one another. 

    Also, to be fair, we know Sagarin isn't the 'be all end all.' They have Snider at 21 and Carroll at 24. I think 99% of educated posters would disagree with those rankings.  

    5A--average Sagarin 94

    4A top 32---average Sagarin 67

    All of 4A---average Sagarin 132

    Again there isn't a wide disparity between 4A and 5A top to bottom, especially at the top, which was the premise of the original argument. 

  7. 3 minutes ago, BTF said:

    Warren Central (who were HIGHLY touted in the pre-season). I have nothing against 4A or Chatard in 3A. But I will come to the defense of 5A when needed. 

    Who highly touted Warren Central pre-season? Sagarin? His data doesn't become very reliant until after weeks 4-5. There were multiple posts dogging Warren Central, many questioning whether or not they'd finish above .500. They've been on the downswing the last several seasons. 

    I would say the top 10 in 4A and 5A are about as similarly comparable as possible.

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  8. 3 minutes ago, Boilernation said:

    I took a look at the Sagarin Ratings by Class and came away with the following: 

    Average Sagarin Rating: 

    5A: 97

    4A: 133

    3A: 155

    Percent of teams in the Sagarin Top 100
     

    5A: 65

    4A: 39

    3A: 28

    IMO, this confirms my belief that as "meh" as 5A appears it's still not as weak as suggested. 

    There's also double the amount of teams in 3A and 4A that significantly skew the averages. 

    Average Sagarin rank for the top 10 teams in each of the following classes.

    5A-28

    4A-29

    3A-45

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  9. 9 minutes ago, Komets2727 said:

    My take on Calpreps or Sagarin is this, they suck. Think they both had HSE as 21+ point favorites vs Carroll in semi-state last year, how did that work out?

    Warren Central was a massive favorite vs. Snider according to both, Snider stomped a mud hole on Warren on the road. I put zero significance in Calpreos or Sagarin 

    It's a helluva a lot more accurate than you or anyone give credit for.

  10. 1 minute ago, Bash Riprock said:

    For a minute, forgot this was a ND thread, and thought you were talking about Tom Allen.......

    You know it's bad when you're coaching at ND and drawing comparisons to Tom Allen 😄

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  11. 2 hours ago, Coach Nowlin said:

    Instead, stagnation deepened. The Hoosiers managed just three points against Ohio State, 14 against Louisville and 17 in Saturday’s heavy loss at Maryland. IU has the Big Ten’s second-worst scoring offense (20.8 ppg) ahead of only Nebraska. The Hoosiers have scored just five touchdowns in four games against Football Bowl Subdivision opponents in 2023.

     

     

    Why not Kevin Wright??

    To be honest, Kevin Wright has been dreadful. Not sure what he actually does? Certainly hasn't been very involved in recruiting Central Indiana given his ties. TE room has been bad the last two years after he was hand-gifted Peyton Hendershot. Wright's predecessor put two TE's in the NFL. 

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  12. 1 hour ago, temptation said:

    In over his head.  4 loss season forthcoming.

    Said that last year when they played not to get blown out at Ohio State. His emotions on the sideline rival a 14 year old girl and he is responsible for some of the worst in-game coaching decisions I've seen. At least Mario Cristobal let him off the hook for a little bit. 

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  13. 1 hour ago, BLACKGOLD2007 said:

    It would be nice to be back in a class where there are schools around us that are within the same class. Until the formation of Elkhart, the next 6A school was Warsaw. Otherwise Penn was traveling to the far reaches of the DAC or Fort Wayne to play a similar sized school. 

    Re-unifying 5A and 6A would be interesting. Keep the success factor idea, I would prefer a more relegation style system that drops and promotes teams yearly. (that would have to be based on Sagarin rankings or take final records and drop the bottom teams and promote the top teams (4 or 5 teams is a healthy change)

    5A would look a lot more interesting if the 32 largest schools were 6A and 32 smallest schools 1A. 

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  14. 4 minutes ago, scarab527 said:

    If you're playing the other best team in your Sectional, isn't that the de facto Sectional Championship? Again, seems like its really only a semantic issue. If a team is that shook up about losing in the de facto Sectional Championship as opposed to the official Sectional Championship, I think they've got their priorities in the wrong place.

    Not sure why the IHSAA wouldn't just prioritize the regular season to begin with? What's your rationale or opposition for not seeding the sectionals other than "cream always rises to the top"?

    Again, it's a simple fix.

  15. 3 minutes ago, scarab527 said:

    What a tragedy they have to play a team one week earlier than they otherwise would’ve. 

    One of these teams isn't even going to get the chance to play for a sectional title, let alone anything past that. It isn't a tragedy, it's just ineptness from the IHSAA. 

    It's a simple fix.

  16. 1 minute ago, BLACKGOLD2007 said:

    Oh the bigger tragedy is that they would be playing in either week 1 or 2. You are correct 100%. I just hate seeing teams that have dominated all season long, not get a chance to compete for a "championship"

    And 5A and 6A you could easily do away with sectionals and regionals and seed North and South appropriately.

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  17. 3 minutes ago, scarab527 said:

    See I always hear this refrain about the regular season not mattering, but is that actually how coaches/players feel? I don’t remember any coach or player I played under/with ever saying “the regular season doesn’t matter”. That’s literally only something I started hearing when I got on this board. Is it a case of the regular season actually not mattering or does it just not matter to us pundits? 
     

    Can't imagine Brownsburg thinks the regular season means much after going undefeated in the hardest conference in the state and drawing the #2 team in the state in the first round while 1-8 Pike and 0-9 Tech play on the opposite side of the bracket.

    Coaches and players might not come out and say it publicly but every single one of them knows it's total bush league. 

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  18. 1 minute ago, Footballking16 said:

    They can of course petition to remain in 6A although that won't happen. 

    By the way I believe they have already secured their spot in 6A for the next cycle. Only need 2 points instead of 3 I just read. 

    1 minute ago, scarab527 said:

    Unpopular opinion: It doesn’t matter what round teams play each other in sectionals. The cream will always rise. This is a semantic issue more than anything. 

    While it is an opinion true, you are correct that cream always rises to the top. However it completely renders the regular season meaningless in the process.

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