Footballking16

4 minutes ago, BLACKGOLD2007 said:

If they don't get the points, can Cathedral elect to stay in 6A or is that not an option.

They can of course petition to remain in 6A although that won't happen. 

5 minutes ago, BLACKGOLD2007 said:

I know, just wishful thinking. 

So, question, is Cathedral likely to stay in 6A or are they going to be success factored back to 5A?

I believe they need a sectional win to accumulate the necessary points to stay in 6A. Lawrence North will be a battle.

1 hour ago, BLACKGOLD2007 said:

I personally would prefer a fully seeded playoffs, idc how you seed it, but this nonsense of who gets homefield based on who played away or didnt....better seeded teams should be playing at home.  That is the benefit of playing a tough schedule and winning.

They won't fully seed the playoffs because the next logical step is a qualifier. The all-in blind draw keeps the mythical "Cinderella" story alive regardless of how much it screws deserving teams along the way. It's also the IHSAA's only way of justifying unnecessary blowouts in a postseason format.

11 minutes ago, Just a dad said:

If they seeded the entire playoffs then that would encourage more teams to play super soft regular season schedules and disincentivize the regular season. You wouldn’t have seen top games during the season as each team would be looking to go undefeated. As much as some teams get the shaft each year during the playoffs wouldn’t you rather see great games during the regular season? As it is some of these 8-0 teams have schedules filled with uninspiring competition and will likely lose to teams with less impressive regular season records. 

I will assure you that if the IHSAA used a rating formula such as Sagarin to seed the sectionals, teams with a softer SOS would get penalized more over the long run. There's a reason why 7-1 Warsaw is rated lower than 1-7 Avon. 

I don’t believe Marcus Freeman is long for this job.

3 hours ago, temptation said:

Is 42 enough for @Footballking16?

 

I’ll allow it

1 hour ago, Grandpa B said:

Waited until the end of the game to respond.  Congrats to the Irish.   Dominated every aspect of the game.   

Footballqueen16 - Cowards?  Really?   Roncalli dropped you for valid reasons.  All of them previously stated.   My former namesake "RebelDad" would say more, but I promised a Roncalli Administrator that I would "let it go".   So be it.   

Grandpa B - Former known as RebelDad - Joe Banich 

 

You can say whatever you need to say to rationalize Roncalli’s decision. At the end of the day, it was Roncalli who picked up their ball and went home. Period. End of story.

I have little doubt that this renewed edition will be very short-lived. And we’ll all know why. 

Cathedral 21

Roncalli 0

7 min 2Q

Roncalli doesn’t have a 1st down.

1 hour ago, temptation said:

AD’s and coaches don’t set collegiate conference schedules, lol.

Ok, Louisville and UK. 
 

Point has and remains the same.
 

47 minutes ago, temptation said:

Eh, not sure that analogy fits.

 

Why not?

7 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:

Bitter dude...life is pretty good if that is what you decide to carry with you.  Regardless of Roncalli's motivation back in the day, this current group of players, coaches and probably admin had little to do with it.  Isn't it time to move on?  Perhaps a rebirth of the rivalry.  

Understand not forgetting, but isn't it time to forgive and move on?  New day!

Ehh no harm in poking the bear to renew a little rivalry.

Surprised though to see so many defend Roncalli. Imagine IU dropping Purdue a few years back when their basketball team lost 9 in a row in the series. And only basketball, not in any of the other 17 sports they play Purdue in. IU wouldn't have heard the end of it. Roncalli shouldn't either.

17 hours ago, temptation said:

Hun

Hundreds to Thousands of minority athletes accept a scholarship free and willingly, play a decade of football there under Fitz, but now it’s a racist institution… while players continue to play for the program & lots have backed Fitz.

Count me suspicious of it all.

 

Trevor Bauer is still awaiting his apology and 2 years of his life back but people continue to presume guilt until innocence is proven...and then the story disappears.

dreds to Thousands of minority athletes accept a scholarship free and willingly, play a decade of football there under Fitz, but now it’s a racist institution… while players continue to play for the program & lots have back

reds to Thousands of minority athletes accept a scholarship free and willingly, play a decade of football there under Fitz, but now it’s a racist institution… while players continue to play for the program & lots have backed Fitz.

Count me suspicious of it all.

Agree with your premise although this being a civil matter, guilty beyond a reasonable doubt doesn't apply here. I think there's enough smoke out there to suggest Fitzgerald knew what was going on and at the very minimum could have stopped it in regards to the hazing allegations.

That being said, Northwestern absolutely butchered the termination process and because of it, they will pay dearly. 

16 hours ago, Muda69 said:

https://apnews.com/article/pat-fitzgerald-northwestern-university-hazing-lawsuit-d3a00fde8cad75d6ef8d25ca5860bb4f

Good luck.

 

Good for him

43 minutes ago, Impartial_Observer said:

Just calling out bullshit

Bullshit lol.

Was this a Roncalli administrative decision? No Roncalli continued to play Cathedral in every other sport, freshman and JV football included.

Was this a diocesan decision? Nope. Cathedral has played every diocesan school in some facet, Roncalli included, since the agreement was drawn up.

I get optics and line reading aren't your thing. Oh well.

46 minutes ago, Impartial_Observer said:

A nicked up Roncalli group will take their ass whoopin like men, and the old Cathedralites can feel even better about themselves Saturday morning scrolling thru the box score. 

Hope the series continues. There's several years to be made up. 

1 minute ago, Impartial_Observer said:

So they were cowards and now they’re not, what has changed? 

They'll always be cowards for discontinuing what was once one of the better rivalries in the state.

Reasons as to why they're now scheduling Cathedral again in football?

Regime change?

Increased level of on-field talent the last couple of seasons?

29 minutes ago, Impartial_Observer said:

The issue goes well above Roncalli or Cathedral’s athletic departments. You know that as well as anyone. What has changed in the last few years that would precipitate a new contract? Look at Roncalli’s SOS in any sport, they’re at the top. Your cowardice analogy is laughable. Perhaps someone more in tune with the holy wars could spell it out for you better than me. 

Really?

So why was Roncalli the only school to drop Cathedral? And for football only no less? Cathedral still plays Chatard every year and has played Brebeuf several times since the agreement was drawn up. Ritter and Scecina aren't feasible football opponents for Cathedral so they don't really factor into the equation. This was absolutely an athletically motivated decision and anybody who believes otherwise is lying to themselves. If there were truly major philosophical differences between Cathedral and Roncalli they'd have discontinued any and all events. Roncalli was tired of getting their teeth kicked in by a rival and took the easy way out. Roncalli wanted to dictate Cathedral's demographics to level the playing field and Cathedral laughed at them. 

Cowards.

10 minutes ago, gonzoron said:

What diocese are they affiliated with?

Cathedral is recognized by the archdiocese of Indianapolis. However it doesn't receive any financial funding. 

33 minutes ago, Lysander said:

It isn’t…..but neither is Brebeuf.  But EVERYBODY else involved in cooperatively developing the agreement ultimately signed off….until one school decided it didn’t need to.

And I would question your naivety if you really think that agreement is enforced, let alone complied with by the agreeing members. But that's not for here. The "agreement" also wanted to restrict as many "outsiders" as possible (if you catch my drift) and Cathedral said to hell with it.

40 minutes ago, Lysander said:

I thought EVERYBODY at Cathedral was either a home grown, dyed in the wool Papist OR generational legacies…or both.  So that is no longer the case?  Admittedly, I don’t keep up with the current corporate marketing theme.

Cathedral's a diversified prep school with Catholic affiliation that is well represented within metropolitan Indianapolis. Been that way a while and continue to foresee it that way. And yes that includes lots of Catholics and lots of legacies, many of which are both. 

4 minutes ago, Lysander said:

Truthfully, I really don’t know.  The timing certainly was spot on as to Roncalli pulling the plug on the games.  I’d certainly have supported either Chatard OR Roncalli if they had refused to play Cathedral after that entire situation…which remains to this day as I understand it.  I’ve often thought Chatard demonstrated moral cowardice for NOT cancelling all their athletics with Cathedral and acting on principle.

The timing was right around the time Cathedral started getting "good" again and were no longer losing to Chatard and Roncalli back to back in weeks 3 and 4, like they had the several years prior. I believe Cathedral at one point had lost the last 8/9 games combined against Chatard/Roncalli. That is the coincidence here. 

7 minutes ago, Lysander said:

Admittedly, I’d have expected that plug to be pulled for all sports in Roncalli’s case….assuming that was the reasoning behind ending their seasonal football game.  I defer to Roncalli folks but the timing is more than coincidental…and I’m not a big believer in coincidence,

Which is why the entire facade was completely hypocritical. "Let's drop the one sport in which we're getting our asses hand to us under the guise of breaching a gentleman's agreement". Nobody buys that. It was a convenient out.

11 minutes ago, Lysander said:

Regardless, that little bit of information is clearly relevant and remains an ongoing stain on Cathedral’s dealings with all the Indy Catholics….let alone the Publics. 

“Rules for thee but not for me.”

Cathedral isn't a deanery school. Never has been and never will be. PHJ says it every year and as cliche as it sounds, Cathedral literally has to recruit every single one of its students. They have zero inherent feeder schools. The presence of south deanery kids on Cathedral's varsity roster is minimal at best and has been that way dating back to the time of this gentleman's agreement. The CYO presence in general is dwindling and that has been a consistent trajectory. It's just a stupid hill for Roncalli to die on

4 minutes ago, Impartial_Observer said:

I still fail to see your point.

My point? That Roncalli's discontinuation of the series had nothing to do with the abovementioned agreement on how each school went about contacting CYO kids and everything to do with Roncalli's competitiveness (or lack thereof) on the field. The fact that Roncalli continued to schedule Cathedral in everything BUT varsity football only reaffirms that, as Roncalli is typically competitive and in some cases better than Cathedral at just about everything else. 

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/high-school/2021/02/18/indiana-football-cathedral-roncalli-rivalry-renewed-2023-schedule/4494230001/

Series was renewed in February of 2021, less than 3 months after Roncalli ran roughshod through the 4A tournament and was expected to return arguably their most talented on-paper team possibly ever. I find this quote from Roncalli's AD particularly interesting: 

“It’s been a work in progress for a few years to get this rivalry back together,” Roncalli athletic director David Lauck said. “We play Cathedral in all other sports, so it’s time to get back together on the gridiron.”

28 minutes ago, Impartial_Observer said:

Some might argue the Rebs…..errr Royals are in a bit of a down cycle right now, yet here they are fresh after a trip to Male facing Cathedral with a home town finale vs another push over from SE Indiana. Outsider looking in, your argument doesn’t hold water. 

The continuation of this series was announced a few years back when Roncalli was dominating 4A under Rodenburg who had previously played Cathedral every year while at Moeller. Roncalli has been exceptionally good the last 3 seasons, its no secret as to why they finally would agree to play Cathedral again....they had a chance of competing.

If Roncalli wanted to hold Cathedral to their end of the bargain, they would have dropped Cathedral in every sport, not just varsity football. This is window-dressing at its finest. It's no different than the MIC kicking out Center Grove and Carmel despite still playing them in nearly every sport outside football on Friday night. Cathedral returned the favor after being Roncalli's whipping boy for several seasons in the early 2000s and Roncalli couldn't handle it and quit.

Cowards.

6 hours ago, Lysander said:

I personally very, very much like @FootballKing16, but as regards Roncalli cowardice (and he loves to long beat that drum), my assumption is his memory is much less creaky than mine - YET he has overlooked the agreement that all the archdiocese schools, Brebeuf and Cathedral generated around 2006-7 (maybe a year either way).  As I understand, Cathedral EVEN helped develop it....until they decided they wanted nothing to do with it and it didn't apply to them.  

At the end of the day, the agreement was that those participant coaches and schools (Archdiocese schools, Brebeuf AND Cathedral.) could reach out to CYO TEAMS on a GROUP basis to promote their schools BUT could not reach out to the next INDIVIDUAL "Johnny Football" ("Johnny Soccer", etc........or the ENTIRE Pike Township Jr. High Basketball ALL-STARS as it might have happened) or his/her/its/they/mutant ninja turtle's parents on an individual basis and tell them they were going to start at QB as Freshman before their brief stop to Notre Dame.

From my observation, Roncalli stepped away from playing Cathedral at almost exactly the same time Cathedral said, "Screw You Guys!....we ain't playing by the rules we all agreed to.  But the rest of you can".  Pretty much a business as usual Cathedral position.  Somewhat surprised anyone participating expected anything different.

Rules are for the rest of us.

I actually have long admired the Rebels for that stance.....at least, until they became the "Royals" (wtf?).  Sign me on to @FootballKing16 as to Roncalli "cowardice" in that case....makes me kind of want the Irish to kick their morally cowardly @ss.....almost.

At that point, Roncalli stepped back.  Seems to me they just decided not to to business with someone unethical....speaking as a businessman.

As to hating a school, all I can say is that as an unsophisticated, poor-@ss Irish, kid from the hills and hollars of southeast Indiana, upon moving to Indianapolis some 45 years ago I NEVER "hate watched" Notre Dame hoping they would lose every game in every sport (I actually used to be a fan of Notre Dame).......until I first stumbled upon Cathedral HS  while having kids in the Archdiocese. 

Even better, as an Irishman (okay...German-Irish....I married a Catholic), I've even become a cheerleader of Cromwell's conquest of Ireland circa 1650.

Don't let anybody think that Cathedral doesn't influences lives.

Guess my work is done here.  

Me just making friends and building bridges.

Its what I do.

 

 

 

You and I, along with everybody else, knows this had nothing to do with the principal agreement put in place and everything to do with Roncalli hitting a down cycle and not wanting to continue getting their tails kicked in. Roncalli still and to this day has scheduled Cathedral in every sport (Frosh, JV, Varsity) minus varsity football. It’s never been about what you’ve just claimed.

Roncalli wanted Cathedral to become more “Catholic” in regards to their football roster and Cathedral said, “We’re good”. Roncalli, took their ball and went home and the directions of each program couldn’t have gone different routes.

Cowards.

Just now, temptation said:

“Hatred” determines victory margins in your mind apparently…

No, opportunity does.

Just now, temptation said:

I mean you also told me that Ohio State was angry about 2021 and was going to hang 50+ on Michigan last November so I guess I should listen to you on this subject.

What does that have to do with anything lol?

If given the opportunity, Roncalli would drop 63 on Cathedral and not think twice about it and vice versa. Doesn't mean it's going to play out that way however.

Look at what Cathedral did to Roncalli right around the time it was announced the regular season series was going away. 55-10, 41-10, 48-7.