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1 hour ago, Bash Riprock said:

Good read about FSU's snub and I understand his view about Washington......would have been nice to give the PAC 12 their final Rose Bowl.  Can argue Washington earned it.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/39033710/cfp-anger-index-unpacking-outrage-florida-state-snub-2023

Then we moved to a four-team playoff, and the whole point was to eliminate the hypotheticals and let a champion be crowned by the actual results on the field. If you won your games, you had a chance to win a national title.

Turns out, all of that was a charade. None of it mattered. The games are pointless. What happens on the field is less important than what a committee thinks might happen in a future matchup.

It is an absolute slap in the face to every player who has ever put on a helmet, laced up cleats and marched onto the field to battle for a victory, because a bunch of folks in a conference room in Texas decided their sacrifice was not as important as the Las Vegas line on a potential playoff matchup.

It's a joke.

Let's be real about what happened here: The committee members couldn't leave the SEC out of the playoff. They didn't care that Alabama needed a miracle to avoid a loss to 6-6 Auburn two weeks ago. They didn't care that Georgia's own injuries -- playing with a banged-up Ladd McConkey and Brock Bowers -- likely played a large part in why the Tide won Saturday. They didn't care that the ACC has a winning record, head-to-head, against the SEC this season. They didn't care that Alabama beat 2023 Georgia, not 2021 or 2022 Georgia. They cared that Alabama and the SEC had to have a spot in the playoff by birthright. And as a result, they sent a message that what happened on the field -- the blood, tears and sacrifice that players made all season to win every game on their schedule -- was less important than getting the most compelling TV matchup.

But hey, there'll be a 12-team playoff next year, so all is forgiven, right?

Nailed it.

Embarrassing that the committee views a loss to a single player more damaging than an actual loss on the field. Basically told every single ACC team going forward that you don't control you own destiny and the only avenue to the CFP is hope and pray there are enough SEC/B10 teams with (several) losses in front of you. 

8 hours ago, Komets2727 said:

Yes I stated that either in this thread or another thread. Difference is the ACC conference stinks while the SEC does offer some pretty good opponents. Bama also played Mississippi, Tennessee, Texas, and LSU

Bama LOST to Texas and beat LSU by a lesser margin than FSU did. Tennessee was good in name only this year.

10 minutes ago, Komets2727 said:

Sure they can, quit scheduling Patsy Central. FSU certainly scheduled some weaklings and their conference flat out stinks

Patsy Central? They scheduled LSU and Florida in the non-conference. Name another P5 team in America that scheduled two SEC opponents in the non-conference. It’s not FSU’s fault Florida sucks. 
 

They went 13-0 in a P5 conference on top of playing LSU and Florida. That should get you in the CFP every damn year. The CFP has made it clear on-field results no longer matter. This is the end of the ACC is we know it. Clemson, Miami, FSU are on the first flight out.

11 minutes ago, Komets2727 said:

You are right, money talks and ESPN is  in bed with the SEC so…. FSU had a nice season with a piss poor schedule, that is fact. Here is the problem: what is the criteria? It changes to fit the committee’s purpose, that much is obvious

Florida State can’t control their schedule anymore than Alabama can and they won every game on it. Clearly the criteria is to guarantee an auto-bid for one SEC team and find 3 other teams to compete all while saying so and so metric was used when in reality it wasn’t.

30 minutes ago, Komets2727 said:

I empathize with FSU, I really do, but strength of schedule triumphs being undefeated. You just can’t say or believe FSU would be undefeated playing Alabama’s schedule. I see an absolute minimum of 2 losses, most likely 4-5 losses for FSU.

I truly believe the best 4 teams still didn’t get in. If it were me, Georgia has to be in and I would take Texas out

That isn’t how it has ever worked. Florida State was 2-0 against the SEC this year with both games being away from home. You’re basically saying results don’t matter. An undefeated P5 team has never been left out of the playoff until today…at the expense of an SEC for TV ratings. 

11 minutes ago, PHJIrish said:

Saban has a bunch of titles because he's a good coach, and good coaches get good players.

The four best teams in the Country were chosen to play for the big trophy.  Florida State had a great year, but they came up a QB short.

Serious question; if roles were reversed and Alabama was staring at a 13-0 season without its starting QB available for the CFP, is the committee leaving them out? Not a chance in hell.

Wasn’t all that long ago Ohio State won the whole damn thing with their 3rd string QB. Anyone remember any discussion about leaving Ohio St out? I don’t.

This is a pure money grab. Bama draws more eyeballs than Florida St, nothing more nothing less. You won’t convince me FSU would have been in WITH a healthy QB given the way this weekend played out. The committee would have just move their criteria goal posts from “FSU has no QB” to “Alabama played in a better conference”.

Brett McMurphy reporting the ACC has entered into any bowl conversations with their partners. Total ACC bowl boycott would be an appropriate response given they’ve basically been labeled a G5 conference by thf committee.

Why even play the games anymore?

FSU should accept their NY6 invite and back out at the 11th hour.

Yikes FSU down to -220 to make playoffs. They may be getting screwed after all. Why even play the games?

14 minutes ago, temptation said:

If that’s the case, the college football NIT should be a good watch.

Georgia, Ohio State, Alabama and Oregon.

If the opt outs are relatively low I agree.

35 minutes ago, Komets2727 said:

Florida State would be a double digit underdog with their first string QB vs. any of the top 8 much less with a 3rd string QB. Let’s be honest, had they played the schedule of any of the other top teams, 3 losses at a minimum. Here’s a thought, schedule a real non conference schedule instead of Patsy Central. That goes for all of the top teams. Middle Tennessee State. Youngstown State. Incarnate Ward. Sadly, I think the scheduling of cupcakes will get worse with the playoff growing to 12 teams

Lol.

Florida State is -500 to make the playoffs. Hate to break it to you, but they’re getting in and deservedly so. They’re undefeated and 2-0 against the SEC.

2 hours ago, BTF said:

I was at a loss for words when it was suggested that he said that. I assumed maybe he said that to the media, which would have been bad. I don't see anything wrong with saying something like that to rev up the student body. 

Great hire in my opinion. Reminds me of Brian Kelly how he's done well at every stop. Learning from Saban helps just a little too. He sounds like he knows what he's doing, not just a rah rah guy. 

He said it in front of an IU crowd at Assembly Hall. What’s he supposed to say? We’re going 3-9 next year.

Too many people looking way too far into this.

34 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:

Did Elliott play all 4 years at Southern Illinois ??  Guy was legit for sure 

He played this year as a 5th year and may have a 6th year available still with all the COVID madness. 

18 hours ago, Whiting89 said:

Ok let’s see how high he gets drafted I’m just saying karalfitis and bell are better I never he said he was a bad player 

I've said this before, and David Bell was AWESOME, but you could seriously make a case that Romeir Elliott was the best player on that Warren team. At least the most impactful. He rushed for ~3100 yards, 38 TD's and had another 200 receiving yards and 3 TDs. You won't find many 6A backs who play on an undefeated state championship team with those kind of stats who didn't win Mr. Football. I'm not even sure he was considered. 

11 minutes ago, BLACKGOLD2007 said:

Ah, now I can see that. 

I can definitely see him being petty like that given his outspoken criticisms of not being named the FSU coach.

4 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:

Wow, didn't know Pat Kuntz is coaching at IU,   used to be KUNTZ from Roncalli who would post here back in the DAY

 

Wasn't attempting to sell resume short, truly didn't know much other than the quick blurb of the article today I saw when he was hired. 

IU faithful have reason to be excited for sure 

 

 

He coached at IU as a GA from 2016-2018 and then found his way on staff at JMU in the last year or two. It's being widely speculated that he will join Cignetti in Bloomington. 

Just now, BLACKGOLD2007 said:

 

I mean, I think Prime will listen to them especially if the money is right, but would Tallahassee forgive him for taking those jobs?

He'd be taking one of those jobs for the sole reason to spite Florida State. He's not happy they passed him over for Mike Norvell a few years back. 

2 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:

1st question

What is his recruiting ties and where to do they take him? 

What ins does he have in the Midwest, I believe thats where IU/PU must work to lockdown first and foremost the greater 5 state area of Indiana.  

I don't know, thats why I ask, obviously great success, but those were established programs before he took over and took them to great successes, not discounting that, but big big step and he needs to have a great understanding on how to recruit to IU.   Just like Brohm did for PU resurrection.    Jury still out on Walters imo as far as recruiting prowess 

1. He's from Pittsburgh, played QB at West Viriginia and has spent the majority of his time coaching in PA and the colonial states outside his stint at Alabama with Saban. Looks like most of his JMU roster is from the DMV and surrounding areas with a fair amount of FL kids. There's a fair amount of talent on JMU that has the potential to follow him which isn't uncommon in this climate. 

2. There's currently three coaches on his staff that all have IU ties; Pat Kuntz DL coach (Roncalli/ND/IU GA 16-18), Bryant Haines DC/LB coach (Ball State grad and former position coach at IU), and Marcus Hall-Oliver DB coach/recruiting coordinator (IU position coach under Allen). Expect most if not all those guys to follow him as they will all be receiving major pay raises. 

He resurrected that Indiana-Pennsylvania program that his father once built, went 14-9 in two seasons at Elon as they were coming off 8 consecutive losing seasons, and then obviously inherited a strong JMU program that he transitioned into FBS going 8-3, 11-1 the last two seasons. Think you're selling his resume a little short. Recruited Phillip Rivers and Russell Wilson to NC State during his time as their QB coach and responsible for recruiting guys like Mark Ingram, Julio Jones, Donta Hightower, etc to Alabama.

Cignetti the guy. On paper, might be the best coach IU has hired in a long damn time. 

1 hour ago, temptation said:

List getting smaller.

Chryst, Cignetti and Campbell rumored to be in the final group.

*Candle not Campbell (would be dope if it were Matt) but sounds like Cignetti may be imminent.

Honestly had never heard of him till this year and 62 seems like an odd reach, but have been watching different clips of him the last hour or so and his resume doesn’t lie. Probably the best outcome you could hope for as an IU fan.

2 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:

Guess the question I have, why didn't Tom Allen get that 3 million this past year ? 

Who was going to invest in a lame duck coach?

-Jason Candle--Head Coach Toledo

-Paul Chryst--Current Texas analyst/former Wisconsin head coach

-Justin Frye--Ohio State run game coordinator/OL coach (IU alum)

-Mike Hart--RB coach Michigan

Take your pick, death is not an option. 

3 minutes ago, BTF said:

I know that sucks, but it is what it is. Can we agree that Alabama is a better team now than what they were when the played Texas? 

Honestly? I think this is the worst field since the playoff started back in 2013. This Alabama team wouldn't even be Top 7 any other year. 

Alabama needed to convert a 4th and 31 just for this weekend to mean anything. Alabama is being carried by their name only. 

1 minute ago, BTF said:

It's not Ohio State and Alabama's fault they play in a good conference and Florida State doesn't. It's not a money grab to me, it's about the four best teams. You know as well as I do that Florida State wouldn't beat the Buckeyes or the Tide. 

Let's be honest. Florida State wouldn't beat Notre Dame. 

Alabama LOST to Texas on their home field yet you're advocating their inclusion over Texas. Alabama and Florida State have one mutual opponent: LSU. FSU beat them by 28, Alabama 14. Yeah they aren't the same team without their QB but they've EARNED their way into the playoff more so than Alabama. Why play the season in the first place? Put Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, and Michigan in every year and don't worry about anything else. 

Just now, BTF said:

Understood. But if I'm on the committee, I really don't want Florida State, Texas, or Washington in there. Hopefully the weekend turns out in a way the committee isn't faced with tough decisions to appease the masses. 

Right because it's a money grab, not because they didn't deserve to get in. If you go undefeated in a P5 conference and don't get in over a team who didn't even win their own division there's nothing really else to say. 

1 minute ago, BTF said:

I thought it was about picking the best four teams, maybe I'm wrong. 

I'm pretty sure conference championships are more about the money than a launching pad into the playoff. 

Well that's just it, there's no set criteria. It seems to switch every season. One year it's about best wins and the next year it's about quality losses. And the year after that they value conference champions.