Footballking16

34 minutes ago, BTF said:

You could very well be correct. SEC down at the top this year compared to years past?

Not necessarily, there’s just other very good teams at the top who don’t play in the SEC. I think Oregon is going to kill Washington in their rematch and be one of the 4 teams.

I think there are only two guarantees right now:

-Michigan is in regardless of a loss

-Winner of Washington/Oregon is in

Georgia is obviously in with a win and Florida State is also in if they go undefeated. I think this is the most likely scenario.

If FSU loses and both Texas and Alabama win, Texas gets in by virtue of beating Alabama earlier this year. 
 

If FSU and Texas both lose and Alabama wins, Alabama is the 4th team bumping Georgia.

If FSU, Texas, and Alabama all lose Ohio State gets in.

38 minutes ago, BTF said:

Inspired by College Football Final this morning. I thought I'd throw mine out there before they do:

1.   Michigan

2.  Georgia

3.  Ohio State

4.  Alabama

5.  Washington

6.  Florida State

Next out: Texas

It would suck for an undefeated Power Five team not to get in, but strength of schedule has to matter. 

Swap Oregon for Alabama and it’s a good list. 

On 11/23/2023 at 5:07 PM, Komets2727 said:

I got Oregon, Texas, and Alabama ahead of Florida State. Truthfully, I had those 3 ahead before the QB  injury as double digit favorites against the Noles, now I would them all at least 17 point favorites vs. the Noles

They (FSU) weren’t any less impressive with a back up QB than Alabama who needed to convert a 4th and 31 to beat a team that lost to New Mexico St on their home field by 3 TDs last week. 
 

If an undefeated FSU gets left out just burn the entire system down and go back to no overtime’s and mythical titles.

2 hours ago, temptation said:

What a disappointing weekend in terms of competitiveness.

How many of the state champions played their toughest postseason games  5-6 weeks ago? Fixing the postseason format might make for a better and more competitive Thanksgiving weekend. 

Back on topic, didn't mean to derail the thread with an innocuous Tom Allen joke. CG has been there done that these last few seasons and I think that gives them a slight edge.

I got CG 34-28.

3 minutes ago, FastpacedO said:

He is beat Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State, and Wisconsin.

*Covid

2 hours ago, BDGiant93 said:

BD coach records vs CG:
Dullaghan 7-2

Allen 3-0

Kirschner 5-9

Simmons 0-8

Mann 0-0

Might be the 3 biggest wins of Allen's coaching career 😁

56 minutes ago, FastpacedO said:

Add in Vince Lorenzano too, terrific record at Chatard took Ritter to the STate Championship too and also coached at Mississinewa.

Certainly worthy as well

-Dick Dullaghan and Bud Wright are no-brainers.

-Rick Streiff has to be on there too I would think

-Eric Moore, Chris Geesman, Matt Lindsay, and Bruce Scifires all have legitimate cases.

9 minutes ago, BTF said:

Those three are great representatives to what the state of Indiana has to offer. I'm still curious if some of the non Ben Davis and Brownsburg guys agree with me. Maybe I'm being too hard on the Giants. 

Seeing Cathedral play Brownsburg, Center Grove, and Ben Davis this year, Brownsburg in my opinion was the best of the 3. They were very balanced both on the ground and through the air. This version of Center Grove isn't as good as some previous teams in my opinion but still good enough to win the next two weeks. Honestly expected more out of BD. Their defensive line was very good and gave Cathedral all sorts of problems but I wasn't wowed with their speed and offensive play-calling. 

12 minutes ago, BDGiant93 said:

Halftime-Ben Davis 17, Cathedral 7

Huge score by the Giants before the half. Tommy Gotkowski tossed it up for grabs in the end zone from 13 yards out, and Nate Williams caught it in traffic. Giants also got a break on a 4th down conversion during the drive. Irish ball to start the second half. 

They could host the Semi-State with a W

Huge break. Far-side line judge is having a terrible night.

On 11/9/2023 at 3:18 PM, temptation said:

Harbaugh got the rules changed when it comes to satellite camps, the one time transfer rule, was on the cutting edge of NIL and now helmet communication, lol.

he is a real pain in the NCAA’s ass.

Looks like it's more than just the NCAA after Harbaugh. Barred from the sideline for the rest of the regular season. Hopefully Scalions didn't retire the disguise Ray-Ban's.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38864724/sources-big-ten-ban-michigan-jim-harbaugh-field

7 minutes ago, temptation said:

I mean I think we all agree that if both teams play their best game, then Ben Davis should win, possibly even fairly easily but both of these teams have been fairly inconsistent this season so that portion is pretty unpredictable.

I usually give folks a hard time when they drop this line but I will anyway...my "gut" tells me Cathedral is going to show up big time Friday night.  Just a hunch.

I would be shocked if Cathedral laid down Friday night. 

54 minutes ago, First_Backer_Inside said:

Cathedral by 100, and then the rest of the games don't matter because Cathedral is gonna win the rest of them after that. And then all the other private schools are gonna win their classes like they always do. Except for 5A cause there aren't any in the class. In fact since 2015 the only private to win 5A was Cathedral. The lowest number of private school wins in a class since 2015. Hmmm the only private in 5A runs through it for two years. Coincidence...I THINK NOT!!! All the private schools must just have more tackling fuel than the rest of these public schools have anymore.

Put the bong down. Private schools will likely only win 1A and 3A. 

The rest of your post is pure nonsense. 

1 minute ago, SIR IRISH said:

I am not sure who is going to win this game....however.  Ben Davis hasnt been perfect all year.  Let's not crown them just yet.  Also, Cathedral has improved quite a lot over the course of the season. I certainly wouldn't count them out.

Cathedral could certainly win. My fear is that Ben Davis is going to make Cathedral one-dimensional and Cathedral isn't going to get enough stops. I see a higher scoring affair but with Cathedral playing catch up most the game. Here's to hoping I'm wrong. 

23 minutes ago, temptation said:

I'm on an island here huh?

@Footballking16, you picking your Irish? 

Wouldn't bet on it unfortunately. 

8 minutes ago, BTF said:

Disagree. Advantage Irish. I've been watching football long enough to know that inclement weather equalizes things when two teams of different caliber and strengths square off. 

There's a zero percent chance Cathedral wants to or prefers to play a rainy, muddy game. They like to sling it all over the field and run tempo, none of which is conducive to inclement weather on a sloppy playing surface. 

20 minutes ago, BTF said:

I think when Eric Moore is gone, Center Grove will fall to the lowly level of Fishers, Hamilton Southeastern, and Westfield. 

Unless football simply becomes de-emphasized, I don’t see that happening. Too much structure and too big of a commitment for Center Grove to take a step back.

4 hours ago, Boilernation said:

My thoughts as well. Either prove there was a trace back to Harbaugh knowing of the extreme lengths Scallion was going to acquire his knowledge or move on. And while you're at it ask Ohio State and Rutgers why they used an electronic device to notify Purdue in 2022 of signs their actual coaches picked up on during live game action. 

Definitely not remotely close to being the same deal. The NCAA explicitly states that off-campus, in-game scouting is strictly prohibited. Two programs sharing info on a common opponent is a form of gamesmanship and is widely practiced nor is it an NCAA violation.

The issue isn't the fact that Michigan stole signals, it's the method in which they stole them. 

2 hours ago, Boilernation said:

Unaware that Stallions was recording or unaware that he was on the sideline of the CMU/Michigan State game? Personally, i'm no Michigan apologist, but I think it's worth noting that Stallions was somewhat of a psycho who wrote a 600 page manifesto about becoming the head man of the Michigan program. I don think it's out of the question to think he went above and beyond in a rogue way to handle the deliverables assigned to him. 

Personally, this whole story seems "meh" to me and I have skin in the game that possibly favors the Bears if this pushes Harbaugh  to the NFL. Any game we watch on a Saturday afternoon has teams with elaborate communication signs on the sidelines. Multiple sign signalers, poster boards, etc. They're not alll doing it because of Michigan. At this point I'm more intersted in knowing how much of an advantage a team actually gets from uncoding a teams signs. At the end of the day players still have to execute. 

Biggest question: Who fronted this operation? Could be that Stallions "went rogue" but hard to believe he did it on his own dime. Michigan is more than likely culpable given somebody from that institution or athletic department reimbursed Stallions financially and find it even harder to believe Harbaugh knew nothing about it. He may have not directly asked Stallions to set up a sophisticated espionage scheme, but I hardly doubt he turned down any useful information. 

At the end of the day, this single l incident is a minor violation. But it's magnified considering Michigan and Harbaugh are already under NCAA investigation into a completely different set of infractions. It doesn't help that Michigan and Harbaugh continue to play dumb and act like they knew nothing about what was going on. 

2 hours ago, First_Backer_Inside said:

I wanna see Cathedral win this game, and then win the next 2 6A state championships. And then I want everyone to get on board with putting the private schools in their own playoffs together. But I usual don't get what I want, so my guess is Ben Davis is gonna win.

Sh*t in one hand and wish in the other and see which one fills up first.

Private/Public separate tournaments will never happen. The IHSAA can't even seed the damn sectionals. 

1 hour ago, Bash Riprock said:

I am not sure Nortwestern belongs at the bottom with Big 10 wins over Minnesota and Maryland.  Even though the Iowa game was ugly, they could have pulled that out.

Guess IU has played better the last 2 weeks, but not sure they deserve to be out of the cellar with their first Big 10 win in awhile.

They don't. Purdue has looked miserable since coming off their bye two weeks ago and their loss to Syracuse looks worse and worse with each passing week. I'd go

11. Northwestern

12. Indiana 

13. Michigan St

14. Purdue

All 4 are levels of bad right now but Indiana plays Michigan State and Purdue to end the year so this will sort itself out. Michigan State still has OSU and PSU two opponents IU was more than competitive with. 

Purdue still too high

16 hours ago, FastpacedO said:

My guess is it was too windy to try and hit the endzone and the 2 return men for Lawrence North were very fast (I believe one of them Track State champion in the hurdles) likely didn't want to kick to the speed threats.

Why not just kick it out of bounds then? LN started in plus territory 3 different times (on top of a failed fake punt) because of it? Not going to get away with that against Ben Davis.

5 hours ago, temptation said:

I am not on the investigation team but is Michigan really dumb enough to sign the guy to an extension in the midst of receiving level 1 NCAA violations?  Come on.  The truth is somewhere in the middle and the Michigan lawyers, university personnel and athletic administration obviously feels confident in their case.

You let your dislike for me and Michigan get in the way of common sense.   

I’m sure there’s specific language in whatever contract he signs that gives Michigan an out if the NCAA lays down the law.