Footballking16

58 minutes ago, DE said:

Title IX would like to have a word with you.

Title IX sports (and the rest of the men’s sports) are funded entirely by P5 basketball and football programs almost exclusively through TV deals stemming from the NCAA Tournament and College Football Playoffs. The NCAA model is now broken and will no longer exist a few years down the road. You’ll see P5 conferences split into their own leagues and universities will adopt club models for the rest of their sports programs.

Don't really like where NIL is going but have to blame the NCAA for it getting to this point. 10-15 years ago the NCAA should have adopted a policy that allowed schools to pay the players in the revenue generating sports some type of monthly/yearly stipend. Paying 85 scholarship football players and an additional 13 basketball scholarship players 25-30k a year on top of a free education is really is chump change if you think about it. 

On 7/2/2021 at 12:42 PM, BTF said:

The only thing ND is missing right now is the athletes. That's about to change with Marcus Freeman there. Look at what Kelly has done with 3 and 4-star athletes. Increase the 4's and add a few 5's and ND is easily in the same conversation as Bama, Clemson, and Ohio State. 

Don't worry, Temptation will be keeping tabs. We'll revisit this conversation in a few years. But the whole key to this thing is Marcus Freeman staying a few years. 

Have faith DE! The Irish are coming and it's about to piss a lot of people off. 

Let's pump the brakes. 

13 minutes ago, DT said:

That will change when IHSAA reduces Class 6A to 24 schools.  

lol

20 minutes ago, Lysander said:

4A was clearly the best class (again “pound for pound”) prior to the Success Factor as Cathedral, Columbus East and New Palestine have made ABUNDANTLY clear in dominating a terribly (and expectedly) sad 5A Class.

I’m happy our kids are in 4A but outside of Roncalli (who will likely end our season as a Top 10-15  team overall), I’m frankly pretty “meh”

 

 

With that (outside of Chatard), I’ve most always been kind of a Gibson Southern guy but worry that they have sold their soul a bit these days.

New Pal wasn't quite there yet, but Lowell, Dwenger, and Evansville Reitz were all very strong 4A programs right up to the time the SF was implemented so your point is well received. Mishawaka avoided a very strong northern half of the bracket when the IHSAA went to 6 classes. 

16 minutes ago, DT said:

Over time, the higher class will provide the better competition.  I absolutely believe that.

Since the SF was implemented 3A has been a stronger class than 4A by a mile. Don't think anyone can argue otherwise. 4A is as watered down as it gets.

17 minutes ago, DT said:

If you really think Bart Curtis moved Mishawaka up to 5A so he could run away from 4A, then youve got other issues.

Never said that. But my point still remains. 4A was stronger than 5A when the IHSAA implemented a 6th class and before the SF had run its first cycle. I see nothing noble about playing lesser competition. Neither does Chatard. 

15 minutes ago, DT said:

Are we actually "defending" Chatard?

Thats like defending the USA National Basketball Team on a tour of African countries.

 

 

I'm not sure defending is the right word, more like putting you in your place. Chatard will play anybody, anywhere, anytime and a lot of times beat you. Has been that way for at least two decades. There's zero advantage or gain for Chatard to petition to remain in 4A when they face stiffer competition in the 3A tournament than they would in 4A in most years. 

1 hour ago, DT said:

Chatard has the option to petition the IHSAA to remain in 4A   Reference the Mishawaka precedent

Mishawka petitioned to remain in 5A as the SF had not run its full cycle and 5A was watered down due to the IHSAA implementing a 6th class. The route to a state final in 5A was easier than in 4A. Nothing noble about it.

1 hour ago, DT said:

At this point in Chatards glorious history, shouldnt quality (4A blue ring) outshine quantity (3A blue ring)?

Due to the SF, 4A has consistently been the "weakest" class top to bottom as many traditional powers (Cathedral and Dwenger) are playing up a class, sometimes two, as has newcomer New Palestine from their true classification. Chatard's path to a state title last year was much tougher than Roncalli's, not to mention the 3A champ beat the 4A champ by 3 TD's earlier in the year. 

1 hour ago, DT said:

As high school freshman, many Chatard kids are honing their skills at specific positions, running complex offensive and defensive schemes, and working on speed and strength development.

As high school freshman, many public school kids are learning a 3 point stance and how to stand up straight in a huddle.

Irrelevant really. Chatard will play more P/P's in the state tournament as a 3A school (and better ones) than they would in 4A, especially with Roncalli bumping up a class. 

2 hours ago, DT said:

Can you imagine Tayven as a wideout with his athleticism?

Don't think he committed to Tennessee to play wideout. Also not sure he's fast enough to play wideout.

1 hour ago, DT said:

Huepel strikes me as a bit of a snake.  He is a career climber and resume builder.  Will do what it takes to climb the ladder.

They put on quite the Hollywood hype production for Jackson when he was in Knoxville a few weeks back.  They want Curry.  Bad.  Its very easy to connect the dots

Huepel's not going to get a very long honeymoon in Knoxville. Jeremy Pruitt lasted 3 years, Butch Jones lasted 5 years (and was spared due to a couple 9 win seasons), and Dooley before them lasted 3 years. As "prized" as Curry may be, Huepel isn't going to just hand the reigns over to a true freshman QB in win now mode because he delivered a recruit who likely isn't to make a major impact until his upperclassmen years. 

9 hours ago, Lysander said:

No surprise Chatard and Roncalli being in the same Sectional….ie. Sectional 28 rinse and repeat.  

You already know it’s going to be the first round game.

1 hour ago, TigerFan20 said:

East Central/Chatard played them well last year. But yes, Roncalli is definitely the clear favorite in 4A this year and will be tough to knock off 

Chatard beat Roncalli soundly last year. 

29 minutes ago, BDGiant93 said:

Not even remotely in the same league on offense.

Firm believer of defense wins championships. CG as stout as I've seen in a long, long time. 

17 minutes ago, temptation said:

Gonna need to link this one for reference.

You're digging deep dude.

Didn't know I owned so much space in your head.

Already linked it dude. An entire thread full of your nonsense in there.

Like this one? I knew there was a reason I didn't take you seriously. Clown.

19 minutes ago, temptation said:

Westfield played Center Grove tougher than any MIC school did last year.

Zionsville played Cathedral tougher than Carmel did.

Soon these moral victories will turn into actual on the field victories, it’s just a matter of time.

In fact, I will go on the record as stating Westfield wins a football state championship before Warren or Ben Davis wins their next one.

Mark the tape.

You going to pay up this time?

14 minutes ago, temptation said:

“Cathedral simply outworks every other team in the state.”

Now go away.

You need new material. 

15 minutes ago, temptation said:

Nice to see you’ve come back for more lessons/punishment.

I disagree that the HCC is on any sort of down cycle with perhaps the exception of Brownsburg.

Westfield - the Center Grove of the north suburbs in the coming years and favorite in 6A north
 

Zionsville - Stud OL kid heading to South Bend, a legitimate contender to represent the north in 5A

Avon - a young nucleus, well coached team that will improve with experience

Hamilton Southeastern/Fishers - broke in brand new coaches during a pandemic and will only continue to improve with a full year under their belts

Brownsburg - 2021 will be a true test of Hart’s coaching ability with the exodus of talent that they suffered, still loaded with unproven guys though

Franklin Central/Noblesville - both have finally gone all in and pushed their chips to the middle of the table with their commitment to football, will continue to take their lumps in the short term though

 

Look, you’ve made it blatantly obvious that you are blind to the changing socioeconomics and demographics that make up central Indiana but you cannot deny the fact that the gap continues to close.  A decade ago the HCC wasn’t even close and now they are winning their fair share of regular season matchups.

While I will continue to agree that no one will take them seriously until they knock MIC teams from the tournament in October and November, the facts are right in front of your face dude.

It’s the same old story in the MIC every year.

Carmel and Center Grove continue to reload and distance themselves from the rest of the conference.

Warren in Ben Davis most athletes galore and continue to stay afloat based on they are large enrollment advantage.

Lawrence North and North Central head up the middle of the conference but no one will take them seriously until they put a dent in the top four.  (Hell, Lawrence North possibly had the two best skill position players in the conference last year and couldn’t even win the sectional.)

Lawrence Central and Pike are after thoughts and have absolutely zero to offer in terms of exciting their fanbases.

Yet another swing and a miss from you.

Typical and expected response from a loudmouth. How'd that All-MIC Final in BOTH sports turn out? You become a booster yet? 

18 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

That's funny considering I remember a long thread started sometime last year about how the HCC was on the verge of supplanting the MIC and it would be wise for Center Grove and Carmel to get out of dodge as quick as they could. Now the HCC is on a bit of a down cycle? What gives?

Speaking of said thread, found it and it is a gem. Guest (old Temptation account) did you welch on your bet? Or did you forget?

On 6/18/2021 at 10:18 AM, DT said:

I have a feeling FC is going to surprise some people.  The HCC seems to be in a bit of a down cycle.  Perhaps FC is ready to strike at just the right time.  They seem to be going all in on this effort, and if the increased turnout reports are accurate, they could make a quick move up in the conference.  

Does FC still have a grass field?

That's funny considering I remember a long thread started sometime last year about how the HCC was on the verge of supplanting the MIC and it would be wise for Center Grove and Carmel to get out of dodge as quick as they could. Now the HCC is on a bit of a down cycle? What gives?

1 hour ago, BDGiant93 said:

What is your choice for the best MIC teams of all time? Remember, the MIC started in 1996, so it has to be within the last 25 years, and the teams had to be in the MIC in the year of greatness. That means 2012 LC is out.

 

My top 5

1) 2006 Warren Central

2) 2017 Ben Davis

3) 2018 Warren Central

4) 2001 Ben Davis

5) 2020 Center Grove

Can't argue with 2006 WC.

2001 Ben Davis too young to remember. I believe last years Center Grove team was better than both the 2017 Ben Davis and 2018 Warren Central teams. 

1 hour ago, DT said:

I was hugely impressed with the state championship performance by Roncalli.  They absolutely demolished a good Hobart team, and likely would have played a very competitive game against any of the 4 schools in the 5A and 6A finals.

Big strong team with great depth, impact skill players and great coaching.  

I believe the gap between Cathedral and Roncalli was substantially shortened last year, maybe even eliminated.  

 

Both Cathedral and Chatard were significantly better than Roncalli last year. I think CC and WeBo would have given Hobart all they wanted and more in a hypothetical matchup. Roncalli has great size and depth on their offensive line (that’s never been an issue for them).

16 minutes ago, XStar said:

Or perhaps the culture allows that community to avoid being labeled "economically disadvantaged"?

Also, the "culture" doesn't have to be reflected through football.  It could be that some communities prioritize other things over high school football.  As usual, the context of this forum is very narrowly focused.  In other such communities, it could be basketball.  In others, it might be something not even related to high school sports.  You can obviously work hard at other things.

Exactly.

Schools/towns/communities who put a much higher emphasis on one thing typically are more successful. It's not limited to football. There's schools with lousy football programs who have great soccer programs (Noblesville). There's schools with lousy football programs who have great basketball programs (Park Tudor). It has nothing to do with enrollment or SES factors either. 

19 minutes ago, temptation said:

Doesn’t tell the whole story.  Looks like those contests are close more often than not.

Love how you cherry picked the 7-3 in response to my “strong group” argument considering the current strong group has won 3 in a row, meaning it was 4-3 prior.

You really like making my argument for me don’t you?

Furthermore, either Roncalli, Cathedral or Chatard has ended Lebanon’s season in the sectional 7 out of those same 10 years you chose.

How many WeBo teams get past the sectional in that same scenario?

If I say Cathedral works REALLY hard will you finally shut up?

Why does it not tell the whole story? Why is a school in the same county, 10 minutes away, drawing from the same dynamic of kids consistently beating a school with twice their enrollment if coaching, culture, and hard work don't come in to play? You have to answer that first.

WeBo beat three consecutive P/P's en route to their third consecutive state championship last year, and routinely beats P/P's in the state tournament year in and year out. Spare me with the rest of your BS. 

14 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

 

One competes in the 4A sectional classification against the likes of Roncalli and the other in the 2A classification against the likes of South Montgomery?

 

As I stated above, what does that have to do with WeBo beating Lebanon 7 out of the last 10 times they've played?