CaptainHook

Dragons are very young but have come a long way since the first two weeks.  Both their losses come to 5A and 6A semistate teams.

11 hours ago, Olympian06 said:

@crimsonace1thought it was a shame that NP/Roncalli played before LOS.. seems to be the only shame was EC/Roncalli playing each other before LOS. The 2 best teams in 4A hands downs.  

I think we are in the race with a little better injury luck. Losing your RB in sectional semifinals would have drastically effected all three of these teams. It just happened to be us. Had a bad injury to starting CB in sectional championship. Best DL was battling a knee injury, but played through it. Starting guard hurt in practice for regional but he played too. Not sure it would have mattered, and everyone is battling injuries at this point, but it sure didn’t help. Kinda crazy we play guys two ways for years and avoid the injury bug, and this is our deepest ever team with very few two way guys and have all the injuries at the end.

I was at this game.  Irish RB #3 needed 40+ carries to win.  Didn't get them. CG took away first read outside the hash and result was a lot of sacks. Irish scored first 10 points running  the ball and stopping the run, but neither of those things lasted.  I thought CG threw the ball too much in first quarter.

can somebody name the OL/DL for East Central?  Because that had to be an impressive performance from what I saw last week.

A lot of people around here thought NP would go to state.  Losing our starting RB hurt.  But I knew that beating Roncalli did not equal state.  Best RB was probably at East Central.  What a game.

5 hours ago, crimsonace1 said:

Bottom line, even with the fumble/no-fumble call (and it looked out from my perspective, but I'm not exactly unbiased), NP would've had to drive the length of the field against a defense it had struggled to move the ball against. Roncalli's OL/DL were as good as any I've seen at the high school level, especially in 4A. 

The one real officiating "mistake" was a play where NP was called for illegal man downfield on a TD pass. It was actually an illegal forward pass - the QB was a half-yard ahead of the LOS when he threw the ball but in watching the video last night, it appeared all five linemen were behind the LOS. The misapplication/confusion likely worked in NP's favor, as illegal forward pass is a loss of down penalty, but the Dragons failed to convert on 4th-and-1 later that series, so it was all moot. 

agree with all of this

1 hour ago, Bobref said:

or foot

😂🤣😅

thanks for clarifying that a foot isn't down 🙄

from the sideline video you can see his lower body, and from the end zone cam you can see his upper body 🤷‍♂️

29 minutes ago, FastpacedO said:

Curious question, in HS football if an offensive player is on top of a defender are they considered down by contact? If not does that mean the can roll over top of a defender then continue to run? Honest question because i know HS rules are somewhat different than College and definitely NFL.

They are not down until a body part besides the hand touches the ground.  The NP RB rolled off a tackle and went to the end zone in the first game vs Mt. Vernon this year.

9 hours ago, JustRules said:

You do realize the knee is not the only body part that makes a runner down? Anything but a hand or foot. In your own picture it appears the helmet is on the ground so that shows you are already incorrect on one of your facts. The ball is already loose in that photo so we don't know how long the helmet was on the ground before the ball became loose. That's why you can't use a still photo as evidence.

These types of plays are generally not conclusive on Hudl video. That type of precision is not what coach videos are trying to capture.

You may be 100% correct but it's very unlikely these videos are conclusive either way. And stills definitely don't prove anything. Your best argument is you and everyone you talked with fell it was a fumble. Unfortunately only one opinion matters and that was the unbiased person on the sideline who had a great view. He had the best chance of getting it right. 

Really?  It's not just knees? 🙄

Did you read any of the rest of my posts?  It's a still photo taken the moment a body part hits the ground and the ball is already out.

It is pretty clear on the two videos when you piece them together...I'm not going by a still photo...if you'd like to see them, shoot me a pm

10 minutes ago, Bobref said:

 

We’re just going to have to agree to disagree. Let me be clear. I’m not saying it either was or wasn’t a fumble. I’m saying the Hudl video is inconclusive. If this were NFL replay, they would say the call on the field “stands,” i.e., on the basis of the video, the call on the field can be neither reversed nor confirmed.

We will definitely agree to disagree on that. Sideline view shows RB feet 4’ in the air, so his knees are clearly not down. End zone view shows his head, shoulders and elbows are not down either. He is on top of a player as ball comes out. Sideline judge just missed it. And it’s ok to say that.

I have now sent you the sideline view as well.  No part of the RB is ever down.

4 minutes ago, indycoach10 said:

The Roncalli folks I’ve talked to disagree with your assessment, but doesn’t really matter at this point. 

this is true!

1 minute ago, Bobref said:

I’ve seen both this clip and the sideline Hudl view. Neither is helpful. You can’t see most of the runner’s body on the end zone view, and the sideline view is from the opposite side of the field. The runner’s body is between the camera and the football. The one thing I did notice was that the linesman is coming in about to make a very emphatic “down” signal, and he had a better view than either of the video angles. I don’t think there’s much of a controversy here.

c'mon man

if you want the clip, shoot me a pm with your phone number

I'm sure it will be shared by the appropriate people.  His knees are on top of a player.  It was a fumble.

It sure looks like this was a fumble. Not sure it makes a difference, at 14-7…but should have had the opportunity.

6 minutes ago, fenderbender said:

I am kind of stunned how one sided it was on the line of scrimmage

The NP QB and his scrambling and passing to Thacker  kept NP in the game when the running game was not working.  
 

NP should be very strong next year when the RB comes back from injury.  

Not so sure, they lose a very strong senior class, including four starters on the OL and all three starting LB.  I think NP probably takes a step back next year.  They have a really good freshman class.

NP lost starting RB two weeks ago, starting CB last week, and had an OL go down in practice this week and played on a bad leg.  But honestly, I'm not sure it would have made a difference.

1 minute ago, temptation said:

How many passing yards for Roncalli?

57!

However, if you would have told me we would hold them to 20 points, I'd probably have been ok with that.  The Dragons couldn't get anything sustained vs their defense.

this game was dominated on both lines of scrimmage by the Rebels.  period.

Congrats to Roncalli.

Grayson will miss the rest of the season.  Get well soon kid.

Ok, I gotta chime in here.

#1 NP is never gonna join the MIC.  I agree with the OP, it is a dying conference.  Carmel and Center Grove leaving accelerated it.

#2 NP enrollment just topped 1200 for the first time this year, which puts them nowhere close.

#3 NP has 2 guys that play both ways full time. There are maybe 5 more that do so situationally.  Probably the deepest NP team in that regard.

#4 The most likely candidates are Tech and Cathedral (very unlikely, more likely to end up where Carmel and CG go), IMO.

5 minutes ago, TigerFan20 said:

Undefeated Reitz goes down to Boonville, 28-27

wut

While I might regret wallowing out in this thread...

Mt. Vernon is a very good football team, and I would challenge anyone that says differently.  When you have two guys like they do in Bridenthal and Burhenn, it makes them very hard to defend.  They have great schemes on defense.  Their freshman QB has come a long way this season.  And playing your cross-county rival and defending state champ two times at their place is difficult.  I would have taken an ugly one point win and been ecstatic.  Knew all week that was gonna be a tough one.

I have no idea how good Roncalli, East Central, and Northwood are.  I do not think NP will roll through 4A.  But that alone doesn't mean the winner of 4A couldn't compete in the higher classes.  I do think 4A is tougher than 5A this year. We will never know.  Hell, I still think the 2018 and 2019 NP teams would have won any class those two years.  Who cares what we think?

It does make the message boards fun though.

12 minutes ago, PHJIrish said:

It's the Irish Freshman's first loss of  the seaon.  Congrats to the Dragons!

Yeah, both teams were undefeated.  Two very talented teams.  middle LB and safety for the Irish were very good players.

In one of the craziest, hard-hitting, exciting, and just plain nuts freshman games I've ever seen, the Dragons knock off the Irish 12-10.  Cathedral misses a FG as time expires.  What a game!

That is impressive.  I didn't realize until this week the games didn't count towards the conference.  I'd hand a banner anyway.