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The Democrat's roster for a Trump - beater in 2020


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5 hours ago, TrojanDad said:

Perceived or real?  Dems should absolutely thank MSM.  I guess a great offense can become a great defense....

I have to applaud the Dems.  They have a horrific candidate.  Keep him hidden, away from the microphones, and attack and lay smokescreens against their opponent.  Get a feeble minded person in office, and allow Nancy and Chuck to run the country.....let them push the increasing leftist agenda....it is all about the power.....hand over the reins to the dimwit AOC for the next generation.  They have their vision.

Percieved or real? 

Mueller found atleast 10 cases of obstruction, his campaign broke campaign finance laws, hes profiting off the presidency, firing sessions cause he recused himself from Russia Investigation, fired the head of FBI during an investigation of the president, fired a district attorney in new york cause he was getting close to some stuff involving trump. I can keep going. 

If Joe Biden is so "horrific" why is he running ahead of what Clinton did in 2016, Obama in 2012 or 2008 and Bush in 04 and has a decent lead against your candidate.. What's that say about Trump? You are saying Biden is a feeable mind and majority leader Pelosi and minority leader Schumer will run the country? What happened when Trump was elected? He doesn't understand policy, how the house and senate works. Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell were "leading" the country... So if you are saying that about biden? Why aren't you complaining about that with Trump? 

If you think AOC is a dim witt, you should think Trump has the mental capacity of a 5 year old. AOC will be a leader of the more liberal side of the Democrat party.. And probably other "squad members" but Cedric Richmond, Hakeem Jeffries, Tim Ryan, Katie Porter, Joe Kennedy, Ben Ray Luhan, Brian Schatz, Tammy Duckworth, Ted Lieu among others. 

Ill tell you one thing.. The Democratic party is the party of the future. You see men, women, whites, minorities, gay men and lesbian women. The Republican party struggles with women, LGBT and minorities. 

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1 hour ago, DanteEstonia said:

You were able to piggy back on the work of others. Nothing more.

Different ways to look at it     If that was the case, why is OPTION to join vs Mandatory to join?    

1 hour ago, DanteEstonia said:

Nye County’s family rates are near that, but that plan DOES STUFF.

Congrats??   

Choices and options    life and professions are full of them.   Its not a one size fits all.   Interesting why so many want to have it that way 

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22 minutes ago, TrojanDad said:

I don't talk about Trump because this isn't a Trump thread....he has one on OOB dedicated to him.  This one is dedicated to his opponent(s).

Ahhh...you mean when the goalposts were moved from collusion to obstruction??  According to the American Bar Association (not mainstream media) Mueller did not take a clear position on obstruction.  Even CBS reported MAY be 10 cases of obstruction.  You can keep going all you want....but it is nothing more than hot air.

https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/aba-news-archives/2019/03/mueller-concludes-investigation/

Why is Biden leading in the current polls?  (remains to be seen on their accuracy as in 2016)  I've stated it repeatedly.  Dems (not Biden) are running a brilliant campaign.  Keep Joe as quiet as they can, and attack Trump on all fronts using MSM.  They've realized that being true and accurate doesn't matter...all you have to do is to create perception.  And this is a brilliant tactic.

Yes, AOC is a dimwit.  If you support someone like her, you lose all credibility proclaiming yourself as a moderate.  

On the last, we shall see...I do concur that Dems seem to be the party of a large % of millenials.  But generations come and go....and things always change.  History tells us that.

There were no goal posts being moved.. They got Flynn, Manafort, Popadouplas, Cohen, Gates and Stone... Flynn and Cohen were and did roll over, those others didn't...which is why they couldn't get enough sufficient evidence to charge any member of the campaign with taking part in a criminal conspiracy. 

Mueller did lay out that Trump could be indicted after he leaves office..so.. Yeah that means he's corrupt. 

 

 

Again. The polls were not wrong in 2016. Clinton had a lead in the summer but was in the margin of error in a few states, as we got closer to the election, her lead shrank and she didnt get out of the margin of error in the states she was in during the summer and she lost ground in a few other states and those dropped into the margin of error and a week before the election, her lead dropped into the margin of error. 

Joe Biden is running a great campaign. He struggled early on but started picking up steam. He doesn't have to say much or do much because it's noted how unpopular trump is and its easy to see trump is sabotaging his own campaign. He should be running like hes the incumbent but hes not. Trump is trying to repeat 2016 again but its not working. He's less popular now than he was then, hes running against someone thats more popular than his 2016 opponent and someone thats more popular than he's ever been... The covid has made campaigning hard for Biden but hes still making appearances, hes still holding virtual campaign's and his ground game is strong. He isn't gonna hold big rallies cause it's stupid and dangerous. 

Being true and accurate isnt how the Republican party is.. So its funny you call the democrats out for it.. When it's clear the Republicans are worse at it.. Hypocrital of you once again. 

 

I can be a moderate and still support AOC lol. I agree with her on being pro choice, being for gay marriage, legalizing pot, banning bump stocks, climate change and increasing minimum wage. You seem to be a hardcore conservative.. I bet you agree with Susan Collins on certain things.. Does that take away your conservativism? Nope... Your point of "id lose all credibility if i supported AOC" makes zero sense. Shes a Democrat, id vote for her over any Republican. If you think shes a dimwit you must think Trump is stupid as a rock. 

 

Get better at debating. You aren't good at it. 

Btw take my bet. 

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10 hours ago, Coach Nowlin said:

I know, love it,  great law signed into Indiana books by Gov Daniels.    

 

Then you should negotiate your own pay, benefits package, and discipline plan separately from your local union members.

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10 hours ago, Coach Nowlin said:

I know, love it,  great law signed into Indiana books by Gov Daniels.    

 

Sorry coach, I have to disagree with that. As far as dues to the association, the law pre dates rtw as far as teachers associations collecting from everyone whether they are a member or not. I want to say that somewhere in the mid to late 80’s, Indiana had a law that did not allow that. Choose to join or not is a personal choice, but there are a LOT of people across the state that take a lot of their own time to advocate for all the teachers in their districts. Having been in your spot and having served in multiple roles, I know full well how difficult the work is. 

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1 hour ago, Irishman said:

Sorry coach, I have to disagree with that. As far as dues to the association, the law pre dates rtw as far as teachers associations collecting from everyone whether they are a member or not. I want to say that somewhere in the mid to late 80’s, Indiana had a law that did not allow that. Choose to join or not is a personal choice, but there are a LOT of people across the state that take a lot of their own time to advocate for all the teachers in their districts. Having been in your spot and having served in multiple roles, I know full well how difficult the work is. 

No disagreement there

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5 hours ago, TrojanDad said:

I'll take the analysis on Mueller's investigation from legal experts before I will MSM or you.  Don't take it personal.  I do understand why you do reject legal interpretations...it doesn't align with what you desire.

Biden won't be allowed to campaign as normal because he is a walking gaffe machine.  The world knows this.  You go ahead and make him out to be a genius.  He's not anything close. He is not in charge of his campaign...that is the work of the DNC.  

You cannot be moderate and support AOC on all those issues....especially her plan for climate change.  She will tell you that she's no moderate.  Just accept it man.  You are no moderate.  

It is impossible to debate with someone that doesn't understand his own limitations....Mr. StatGuy.....

 

First im just gonna respond to your AOC comment. 

Does AOC believe in

right to choose? Yes. So do I. 

Gay marriage? Yes. So do I. 

Legalizing pot? Yes. So do I. 

Banning bump stocks? Yes. So do I

Does she believe Climate change is real? Yes. So do I. 

Does she believe in increasing minimum wage? Yes. So do I. 

Her and I may disagree about how to go about some of those topics  but we agree on women should be allowed to choose, gay marriage should exist, legalizing pot, banning bump stocks and Climate change is real. Thats what you aren't understanding. You can agree with someone who is farther left than you just based on principal but disagree on how to go about it. 

You are trying to tell me "Im not a moderate" when I know i am one but I get it, you probably think mayor pete is a socialist even though legit socialists call him a Dino and by the way, you didn't answer my question? You agree with Susan Collins on stuff, does that take away your conservatism since shes a moderate? It doesn't ... cause you probably agree on principal about stuff but just have different ideas on how to go about it. 

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6 hours ago, TrojanDad said:

I'll take the analysis on Mueller's investigation from legal experts before I will MSM or you.  Don't take it personal.  I do understand why you do reject legal interpretations...it doesn't align with what you desire.

Biden won't be allowed to campaign as normal because he is a walking gaffe machine.  The world knows this.  You go ahead and make him out to be a genius.  He's not anything close. He is not in charge of his campaign...that is the work of the DNC.  

You cannot be moderate and support AOC on all those issues....especially her plan for climate change.  She will tell you that she's no moderate.  Just accept it man.  You are no moderate.  

It is impossible to debate with someone that doesn't understand his own limitations....Mr. StatGuy.....

Now to the first part

The article you shared is that site writing about the barr memo lol..i doubt you even read the article before you posted it. The article was basically describing and explaining on what the memo said and Barr's memo has been repeatedly rebuked and was claimed "misleading" .. Since it was written.

Mueller wrote 10 cases of obstruction of justice. Trump wasnt indicated cause hes a sitting president and could be indicted when he leaves office. 

Come on dude. 

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6 hours ago, TrojanDad said:

I'll take the analysis on Mueller's investigation from legal experts before I will MSM or you.  Don't take it personal.  I do understand why you do reject legal interpretations...it doesn't align with what you desire.

Biden won't be allowed to campaign as normal because he is a walking gaffe machine.  The world knows this.  You go ahead and make him out to be a genius.  He's not anything close. He is not in charge of his campaign...that is the work of the DNC.  

You cannot be moderate and support AOC on all those issues....especially her plan for climate change.  She will tell you that she's no moderate.  Just accept it man.  You are no moderate.  

It is impossible to debate with someone that doesn't understand his own limitations....Mr. StatGuy.....

To your 2nd part. 

I never said Biden was a genius and never would.

Cedric Richmond (house rep), Gretchen Whittmer (Gov of Michigan), Eric Garcetti (Mayor of LA), and Lisa Blunt Rochester (house rep) are his co national chairs. Jen O Malley Dillon is his campaign manager (she was beto's campaign manager). They run Biden's campaign..The DNC helps coordinate and works with his campaign but doesnt run campaign.

Biden and his campaign still do campaign stuff, its just smaller than normal due to Covid along with his opponent doing most of their work for them... Maybe Pascale and others in the Trump campaign should pull Trump back a bit...cause what they are doing now isn't working. 

 

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1 hour ago, TrojanDad said:

Read the article well...as well as other legal views....I think you need to go back and read it again....Dude.

 

See...we don't disagree on everything....

Mueller finds no collusion with Russia, leaves obstruction question open

 
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Special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation did not find sufficient evidence that President Donald Trump’s campaign coordinated with Russia to influence the United States’ 2016 election and did not take a clear position on whether Trump obstructed justice.

 

 

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Mueller concluded his 22-month investigation and submitted a report to Attorney General William Barr on Friday, March 22. Barr and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein reviewed the report over the weekend and filed a four-page summary of the report to Congress Sunday afternoon that was also released to the public.

In his letter to Congress, Barr summarizes the Mueller investigation as looking at two areas: Interference by Russia in the 2016 presidential election and obstruction of justice.

The special counsel found that Russia did interfere with the election, but “did not find that the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in these efforts, despite multiple efforts from Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump campaign.”

As far as obstruction, the Mueller report laid out facts on both sides but did not reach a conclusion. Barr’s letter said that “the Special Counsel states that ‘while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.’”

But Barr said that he and Rosenstein "have concluded that the evidence developed during the Special Counsel's investigation is not sufficient to establish that the President committed an obstruction-of-justice offense."

Mueller and his team filed charges against 37 defendants, secured seven guilty pleas and one conviction at trial. Six former associates and advisors of President Trump were among those charged. The case of Trump’s former deputy campaign chairman Rick Gates was transferred Saturday from the special counsel’s office to federal prosecutors in Washington.

While no more indictments will come from the special counsel, investigations of Trump, his campaign and his businesses continue in Congress, and federal and state jurisdictions in New York, Virginia and Washington, D.C.

Barr pointed out in his letter that parts of Mueller’s report dealt with grand jury testimony and would need to be reviewed and possibly withheld from Congress and the public.

There has been wide bipartisan support that the original Mueller report be released, and that Congress and the public have access to the report’s source material.

House Judiciary Committee chairman Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., said that Congress must see the full report and all the evidence and was willing to use subpoena power to secure those.

“It was just announced there was no collusion with Russia,” Trump said Sunday “It was a complete and total exoneration.” Trump also added that the investigation was “illegal” but did not elaborate.

 

This article talks about Barr's memo and what it states. 

Jesus man. READ THE DAMN ARTICLE. 

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8 hours ago, TrojanDad said:

I'll take the analysis on Mueller's investigation from legal experts before I will MSM or you.  Don't take it personal.  I do understand why you do reject legal interpretations...it doesn't align with what you desire.

Biden won't be allowed to campaign as normal because he is a walking gaffe machine.  The world knows this.  You go ahead and make him out to be a genius.  He's not anything close. He is not in charge of his campaign...that is the work of the DNC.  

You cannot be moderate and support AOC on all those issues....especially her plan for climate change.  She will tell you that she's no moderate.  Just accept it man.  You are no moderate.  

It is impossible to debate with someone that doesn't understand his own limitations....Mr. StatGuy.....

https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=5955997-Muellerreport

 

Thats the mueller report online. I read the book front to cover. Did you? Or are you going off of Fox News? (You do realize Fox news is main stream media right)? 

 

#1 obstruction of justice.

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10 hours ago, Howe said:

If Biden wins, watch how quickly these coronavirus lockdowns end and the panic porn from the mainstream media dies.

Ahh yes cause all of this is an effort into defeating trump.. Let me guess you think MLB, NHL, NBA, IRL, NCAA and Nascar stopped league play or postponed races and cancelled post season play in regards to NCAA because they are behind in bringing down trump too?

 

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On 7/7/2020 at 10:46 AM, Coach Nowlin said:

I know at our school at one point a few years back it was over 15k a year for family insurance   

Thank you.,   My current yearly premiums for a family Anthem BC/BS health care plan, as well as vision and dental?  $0.00

 

 

 

 

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On 7/8/2020 at 9:38 AM, DanteEstonia said:

Then you should negotiate your own pay, benefits package, and discipline plan separately from your local union members.

Sounds like a good plan, regardless of whether one belongs to a labor union or not.

 

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