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31 minutes ago, TrojanDad said:

Most of the articles are talking about fairly recent gaffes and the impact they are causing to his current campaign.  

Well thank gosh hes running against the most beatable incumbent in my life time. 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

Socialism FTW.   And your children and grandchildren will be paying for it.

 

 

You'll see expanded health care.

Cheaper college

RGB and Byer replaced by 2 new SCOTUS... Potentially Roberts/Thomas replaced too...which means Roe V Wade and Gay Marriage will be saved for a good portion of my life

I think you'll start to see the push for UBI too.

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Just now, Ultimate Warrior said:

You'll see expanded health care.

Cheaper college

RGB and Byer replaced by 2 new SCOTUS... Potentially Roberts/Thomas replaced too...which means Roe V Wade and Gay Marriage will be saved for a good portion of my life

I think you'll start to see the push for UBI too.

I'm looking forward to 65% income tax and $7.00 per gallon gas. 

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30 minutes ago, Howe said:

I'm looking forward to 65% income tax and $7.00 per gallon gas. 

Exactly.  It's something like socialists just don't seem to think or care about.

 

32 minutes ago, Ultimate Warrior said:

You'll see expanded health care.

Cheaper college

I think you'll start to see the push for UBI too.

And how will it be payed for?  Taxing 'the rich'?   Just printing more money, aka Modern Monetary Theory?

 

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12 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

Exactly.  It's something like socialists just don't seem to think or care about.

 

And how will it be payed for?  Taxing 'the rich'?   Just printing more money, aka Modern Monetary Theory?

 

Why are you calling me a socialist? Cause I'm not one. 

Heres Andrew Yang's plan. 

 

 
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The Freedom Dividend, Defined

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In the next 12 years, 1 out of 3 American workers are at risk of losing their jobs to new technologies—and unlike with previous waves of automation, this time new jobs will not appear quickly enough in large enough numbers to make up for it. To avoid an unprecedented crisis, we’re going to have to find a new solution, unlike anything we’ve done before. It all begins with the Freedom Dividend, a universal basic income for all American adults, no strings attached – a foundation on which a stable, prosperous, and just society can be built.

Why Universal Basic Income?

How we pay for the Freedom Dividend

Isn't $1000/Month a Form of Socialism

  • expand_moreWhat is the Freedom Dividend?
     
  • expand_moreWhy does Andrew Yang want to implement the Freedom Dividend in America
     
  • expand_moreWho would get the Freedom Dividend in Andrew Yang's plan?
     
  • expand_lessHow would we pay for the Freedom Dividend?

    It would be easier than you might think. Andrew proposes funding the Freedom Dividend by consolidating some welfare programs and implementing a Value Added Tax of 10 percent. Current welfare and social program beneficiaries would be given a choice between their current benefits or $1,000 cash unconditionally – most would prefer cash with no restriction.

    A Value Added Tax (VAT) is a tax on the production of goods or services a business produces. It is a fair tax and it makes it much harder for large corporations, who are experts at hiding profits and income, to avoid paying their fair share. A VAT is nothing new. 160 out of 193 countries in the world already have a Value Added Tax or something similar, including all of Europe which has an average VAT of 20 percent.

    The means to pay for the basic income will come from four sources:

    1. Current spending: We currently spend between $500 and $600 billion a year on welfare programs, food stamps, disability and the like. This reduces the cost of the Freedom Dividend because people already receiving benefits would have a choice between keeping their current benefits and the $1,000, and would not receive both.

    Additionally, we currently spend over 1 trillion dollars on health care, incarceration, homelessness services and the like. We would save $100 – 200+ billion as people would be able to take better care of themselves and avoid the emergency room, jail, and the street and would generally be more functional. The Freedom Dividend would pay for itself by helping people avoid our institutions, which is when our costs shoot up. Some studies have shown that $1 to a poor parent will result in as much as $7 in cost-savings and economic growth.

    2. A VAT: Our economy is now incredibly vast at $19 trillion, up $4 trillion in the last 10 years alone. A VAT at half the European level would generate $800 billion in new revenue. A VAT will become more and more important as technology improves because you cannot collect income tax from robots or software.

    3. New revenue: Putting money into the hands of American consumers would grow the economy. The Roosevelt Institute projected that the economy will grow by approximately $2.5 trillion and create 4.6 million new jobs. This would generate approximately $800 – 900 billion in new revenue from economic growth.

    4. Taxes on top earners and pollution: By removing the Social Security cap, implementing a financial transactions tax, and ending the favorable tax treatment for capital gains/carried interest, we can decrease financial speculation while also funding the Freedom Dividend. We can add to that a carbon fee that will be partially dedicated to funding the Freedom Dividend, making up the remaining balance required to cover the cost of this program

     

     

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1 hour ago, Muda69 said:

And how will it be payed for?

*paid*

1 hour ago, Howe said:

I'm looking forward to 65% income tax and $7.00 per gallon gas. 

Fear mongering. It's what Trump Groupies do.

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8 minutes ago, gonzoron said:

Fear mongering. It's what Trump Groupies do.

Interesting perspective.

Perhaps fear mongering is responsible for the economic shutdown of most businesses in Indiana for a virus where 99.99976% of residents have not died.

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29 minutes ago, Howe said:

Interesting perspective.

Perhaps fear mongering is responsible for the economic shutdown of most businesses in Indiana for a virus where 99.99976% of residents have not died.

Possibly. The Republicans ordered the economic shutdown. I don't have a percentage on how many of those are Trump Groupies.

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1 hour ago, Ultimate Warrior said:

Why are you calling me a socialist? Cause I'm not one. 

Heres Andrew Yang's plan. 

 

 
Home
 
 
 
 

The Freedom Dividend, Defined

Share

 

In the next 12 years, 1 out of 3 American workers are at risk of losing their jobs to new technologies—and unlike with previous waves of automation, this time new jobs will not appear quickly enough in large enough numbers to make up for it. To avoid an unprecedented crisis, we’re going to have to find a new solution, unlike anything we’ve done before. It all begins with the Freedom Dividend, a universal basic income for all American adults, no strings attached – a foundation on which a stable, prosperous, and just society can be built.

Why Universal Basic Income?

How we pay for the Freedom Dividend

Isn't $1000/Month a Form of Socialism

  • expand_moreWhat is the Freedom Dividend?
     
  • expand_moreWhy does Andrew Yang want to implement the Freedom Dividend in America
     
  • expand_moreWho would get the Freedom Dividend in Andrew Yang's plan?
     
  • expand_lessHow would we pay for the Freedom Dividend?

    It would be easier than you might think. Andrew proposes funding the Freedom Dividend by consolidating some welfare programs and implementing a Value Added Tax of 10 percent. Current welfare and social program beneficiaries would be given a choice between their current benefits or $1,000 cash unconditionally – most would prefer cash with no restriction.

    A Value Added Tax (VAT) is a tax on the production of goods or services a business produces. It is a fair tax and it makes it much harder for large corporations, who are experts at hiding profits and income, to avoid paying their fair share. A VAT is nothing new. 160 out of 193 countries in the world already have a Value Added Tax or something similar, including all of Europe which has an average VAT of 20 percent.

    The means to pay for the basic income will come from four sources:

    1. Current spending: We currently spend between $500 and $600 billion a year on welfare programs, food stamps, disability and the like. This reduces the cost of the Freedom Dividend because people already receiving benefits would have a choice between keeping their current benefits and the $1,000, and would not receive both.

    Additionally, we currently spend over 1 trillion dollars on health care, incarceration, homelessness services and the like. We would save $100 – 200+ billion as people would be able to take better care of themselves and avoid the emergency room, jail, and the street and would generally be more functional. The Freedom Dividend would pay for itself by helping people avoid our institutions, which is when our costs shoot up. Some studies have shown that $1 to a poor parent will result in as much as $7 in cost-savings and economic growth.

    2. A VAT: Our economy is now incredibly vast at $19 trillion, up $4 trillion in the last 10 years alone. A VAT at half the European level would generate $800 billion in new revenue. A VAT will become more and more important as technology improves because you cannot collect income tax from robots or software.

    3. New revenue: Putting money into the hands of American consumers would grow the economy. The Roosevelt Institute projected that the economy will grow by approximately $2.5 trillion and create 4.6 million new jobs. This would generate approximately $800 – 900 billion in new revenue from economic growth.

    4. Taxes on top earners and pollution: By removing the Social Security cap, implementing a financial transactions tax, and ending the favorable tax treatment for capital gains/carried interest, we can decrease financial speculation while also funding the Freedom Dividend. We can add to that a carbon fee that will be partially dedicated to funding the Freedom Dividend, making up the remaining balance required to cover the cost of this program

     

     

I thought Joe Biden is the Democratic front runner for the POTUS nomination, and Mr. Yang dropped out?

So Mr. Yang's plan to pay for all the new federal spending is to Tax The Rich and institute a VAT.   VAT's are a terrible idea for the American economy:

 

https://www.cato.org/publications/congressional-testimony/case-against-valueadded-tax

https://www.heritage.org/taxes/report/how-value-added-tax-would-harm-the-us-economy

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/vat-is-a-bad-idea-on-many-levels-2010-05-04

https://danieljmitchell.wordpress.com/2015/03/30/why-the-vat-may-seem-good-in-theory-but-is-bad-in-reality/

https://fee.org/articles/value-added-taxes-make-it-easier-to-raise-taxes-thats-why-governments-love-them/

https://www.nationalreview.com/2015/11/value-added-tax-vat-rand-paul-ted-cruz/

 

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2 hours ago, swordfish said:

Looks like the Sanders squad may get a little rowdy at the convention......

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sanders-convention-delegates-push-back?fbclid=IwAR0EgEz56vzgosBjMm-gh2YtyEXEScDgRgWyv-YZ2QrQvQLAcPvZ4kU3-fA

Sanders delegates push back at agreements prohibiting convention dissent: 'It’s ridiculous'

Just wait until someone tells them they can't get in free. 😄 They will have to shout from outside. 

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44 minutes ago, Irishman said:

Just wait until someone tells them they can't get in free. 😄 They will have to shout from outside. 

Glad I'll be in and out of that area a month earlier. 300 team basketball tournament at the Wisconsin Center. It was originally scheduled for April.That didn't happen. Not sure why it's called The Windy City Classic...........when it's in Milwaukee. 

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On 5/20/2020 at 6:18 PM, Muda69 said:

He did drop out..but I do believe the House and Senate will use his idea and will come up with something. 

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On 5/20/2020 at 5:38 PM, Howe said:

Interesting perspective.

Perhaps fear mongering is responsible for the economic shutdown of most businesses in Indiana for a virus where 99.99976% of residents have not died.

Funny. You werent complaining when Trump shut the government down but now you care?

 

Just imagine if Trump took action earlier. The Economy might not have ever been shut down. 

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3 minutes ago, Ultimate Warrior said:

Funny. You werent complaining when Trump shut the government down but now you care?

 

Just imagine if Trump took action earlier. The Economy might not have ever been shut down. 

The shut downs were based on wildly inaccurate projections from so called "experts". I never supported any shutdown. The proper protocol is to quarantine the sick, isolate the vulnerable and let everyone else beat the virus with their immune system.

It's pretty sad when a political party is so weak and their presidential candidate is so pathetic that the strategy of destroying the economy is considered by them as their best chance of winning an election.

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37 minutes ago, Howe said:

The shut downs were based on wildly inaccurate projections from so called "experts". I never supported any shutdown. The proper protocol is to quarantine the sick, isolate the vulnerable and let everyone else beat the virus with their immune system.

It's pretty sad when a political party is so weak and their presidential candidate is so pathetic that the strategy of destroying the economy is considered by them as their best chance of winning an election.

 

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Perhaps the DNC and their big donors have made their decision on who Biden's vice presidential candidate will be. Biden has no input on this decision.

 

 Klobuchar's husband used Hydroxychloroquine treatment for the University of Minnesota Hyroxychloroquine COVID-19 Clinical Trials.

 

Klobuchar trolls Trump on taking drug that husband used to treat coronavirus

Democratic Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar mocked President Trump on Wednesday about a COVID-19 treatment she believed her husband John Bessler was treated with during his bout with the disease.

 

“Well, I think that I listened to the science there. I believe he did briefly take that drug… or some drug like it, but I think that we have to listen to the science and you have to listen to your doctors with what is going to work in each individual situation,”

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/klobuchar-trolls-trump-on-taking-drug-that-husband-used-to-treat-coronavirus

 

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10 hours ago, Howe said:

The shut downs were based on wildly inaccurate projections from so called "experts". I never supported any shutdown. The proper protocol is to quarantine the sick, isolate the vulnerable and let everyone else beat the virus with their immune system.

Thanks, doc. It’s so simple. Why didn’t all those experts think of that? 😷🤒🤧

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2 hours ago, Bobref said:

Thanks, doc. It’s so simple. Why didn’t all those experts think of that? 😷🤒🤧

Because they saw "2.4 million Americans dead" projected and had what would be called a "knee-jerk" reaction.  OR - the ends justify the means.......

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https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/22/joe-biden-breakfast-club-interview-274490

Biden: ‘If you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black’

The remarks came during an at-times contentious interview on “The Breakfast Club” that aired Friday morning.

 

Joe Biden

 

Former Vice President Joe Biden. | Win McNamee/Getty Images

By QUINT FORGEY

05/22/2020 08:39 AM EDT

Former Vice President Joe Biden on Thursday emphatically defended his ties to the African-American community — telling a popular black radio personality that he “ain’t black” if he was still weighing whether to support Biden or President Donald Trump in November’s general election.

The remarks from the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee came during an at-times contentious interview on “The Breakfast Club” that aired Friday morning, during which co-host Charlamagne tha God challenged Biden over his decades-long record on racial issues and current contemplation of a black, female running mate.  “I’m not acknowledging anybody who is being considered, but I guarantee you: There are multiple black women being considered. Multiple,” Biden said of his search process for a vice presidential nominee.

 
 

It was then that an aide to the Biden campaign could be heard interjecting into the conversation, attempting to cut short the interview. “Thank you so much. That’s really our time. I apologize,” the aide said.

“You can't do that to black media!” Charlamagne retored.

“I do that to white media and black media because my wife has to go on at 6 o’clock,” Biden shot back, apparently referring to a subsequent media appearance by Dr. Jill Biden, before adding: “Uh oh. I’m in trouble.”

“Listen, you’ve got to come see us when you come to New York, VP Biden,” Charlamagne said. “It’s a long way until November. We've got more questions.”

“You’ve got more questions?” Biden replied. “Well I tell you what, if you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black.”

During the Democratic presidential primary, “The Breakfast Club” developed into a popular pit stop for aspiring White House contenders, who sat for interviews on the New York-based nationally syndicated radio show and took candid questions on the state of the race and their agenda for African Americans.

Like many other media outlets eschewed by the Biden campaign throughout the primary contest, the former vice president did not appear on the program until after vanquishing his rivals for the party’s nomination.

So the new Democrat campaign slogan is now "If you ain't for Joe, you ain't black" is it?

Yes - this really happened this morning.  Do you honestly think the news will even hint at this?  Probably more interested to see if the President has a mask on......

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https://hannity.com/media-room/abrams-on-voting-illegal-immigrants-now-no-longer-able-to-elect-anyone-who-represents-them/?fbclid=IwAR3GlnAqBlS8bqGXnM6Dku1d3vAxaFK-ND9vir-KIAVpLpw-SENoM6d51xo

Potential Democratic frontrunner for Vice President Stacey Abrams surprised viewers on social media Thursday; lamenting that illegal immigrants “are no longer able to elect anyone who represents them.”

“In the United States today, 50% of the population under the age of 15 is communities of color. If you remove them from the calculation then what that means is you create a whiter, more Republican voting base,” said Abrams.

Stacey Abrams: illegal immigrants "are now no longer able to elect anyone who represents them"https://youtu.be/CRCB7cYMDEI 
 
 
 

“They are now no longer able to elect anyone who represents them… This weaponization is not only intentional, it’s continuing,” she added.

 

illegal immigrants "are now no longer able to elect anyone who represents them"

LOL - Wut?   ILLEGAL ALIENS ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE HERE - HENCE THE TERM "ILLEGAL".  

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1 hour ago, swordfish said:

 

So the new Democrat campaign slogan is now "If you ain't for Joe, you ain't black" is it?

Yes - this really happened this morning.  Do you honestly think the news will even hint at this?  Probably more interested to see if the President has a mask on......

This will die quietly in the media.  Trump didn't say it, so it will die.

Careful SF...you are dangerously close to be labeled as a hypocrite by a member of GID.......

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