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West Lafayette schools sue Indiana, call $1 charter law an unconstitutional ‘land grab’


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2 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

I will never vote for your socialist butt-buddies, Night Hawk.   You lust for them, not I.  

Now go back to your socialist nirvana of Venezuela and keep writing that supposed blog which only your mother reads, while she's sitting on the toilet of course.

You will support the hand outs,  you say to hell with the free market, you have outed yourself.  Socialism NOW is your mantra!!!!

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1 minute ago, BARRYOSAMA said:

You will support the hand outs,  you say to hell with the free market, you have outed yourself.  Socialism NOW is your mantra!!!!

No, it's not.  No matter how your twisted logic wants to make it so.  I will never join your legion of race-to-the-bottom, everybody-has-to-be-equal socialists.

And as for your comment about  the free market and this subject, if Happy Hollow Elementary had been built with private funds then yes free-market forces should apply.  However it is a public building, built and maintained by the taxpayers.  There isn't anything about that building that was free-market, unless the WL government school corporation decides to sell it a private entity.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Muda69 said:

There isn't anything about that building that was free-market, unless the WL government school corporation decides to sell it a private entity.

 

 

And yet you support the government give away.....free market be damned.   Turn in your Rand fan club card.....It is obvious you have turned to the Bernie or Bust crowd.  Shameful

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9 minutes ago, BARRYOSAMA said:

And yet you support the government give away.....free market be damned.   Turn in your Rand fan club card.....It is obvious you have turned to the Bernie or Bust crowd.  Shameful

I don't mind government giving away what it stole from the taxpayer via taxation to build in the first place.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, BARRYOSAMA said:

So you won't mind Free College because it would be giving away tax money "stolen" in the first place.  

Hypocrite

So how exactly does tuition money = building money?   Nice try Night Hawk,  but your apples to oranges attempt was lame at best.  Now go back to your Mom's basement in Tiny Argos.  Oh wait, I forgot.  You never left..............

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

So how exactly does tuition money = building money?   Nice try Night Hawk,  but your apples to oranges attempt was lame at best.  Now go back to your Mom's basement in Tiny Argos.  Oh wait, I forgot.  You never left..............

 

 

 

Both "stolen" from the taxpayer........

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Just now, BARRYOSAMA said:

Both "stolen" from the taxpayer........

Yes, which is why I do not support "Free College" nor "Public Education".  Unlike you Night Hawk I don't want a government handout for practically everything of value.

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1 minute ago, Muda69 said:

Yes, which is why I do not support "Free College" nor "Public Education".  Unlike you Night Hawk I don't want a government handout for practically everything of value.

You have made your support for this handout abundantly clear.

and your hypocrisy is crystal clear.

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Just now, BARRYOSAMA said:

You have made your support for this handout abundantly clear.

and your hypocrisy is crystal clear.

No, I did not.  Only in your twisted, socialist mind.

The only hypocrites here are you and the other socialists.

 

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1 hour ago, Muda69 said:

No. If the $1 gets the Charter schools "in the door" and parents see them as ultimately superior to  traditional government schools, then the traditional government schools will eventually wither away and die, then the charter schools will be shown up by the 100% private/parochial schools, then the ultimate goals of getting government out of the K-12 education business altogether can be achieved.

 

They actually have to be better.

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1 hour ago, BARRYOSAMA said:

How quickly you forget.....stay in your hypocritical vortex and I will go back to my ideologically consistent basement.

No hypocrite here Night Hawk.   And it's quite funny that you call your socialism ideologically consistent.  Socialism is all fun and games when it’s pointing the government’s gun in someone else’s face — but the real test of its moral draw comes when it’s time for you to pony up the checkbook.  How much will you pony up Night Hawk, if you even have a paying job?

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52 minutes ago, DanteEstonia said:

School corporations have property rights.

Tell that to the Indiana State Legislature, who enacted the law Mr. Killion is trying to redact.  And I wonder who is paying the WL legal team for this lawsuit?  Oh yes, the taxpayers.  On a lawsuit that has nothing to do with the the education of the WL students,  but with Mr. Killion's ego and hatred of Charter schools.

 

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11 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

No hypocrite here Night Hawk.   And it's quite funny that you call your socialism ideologically consistent.  Socialism is all fun and games when it’s pointing the government’s gun in someone else’s face — but the real test of its moral draw comes when it’s time for you to pony up the checkbook.  How much will you pony up Night Hawk, if you even have a paying job?

You support the hand out....I do not.  You are the socialist.  Muda - A true Bernie Bro.

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21 minutes ago, BARRYOSAMA said:

You support the hand out....I do not.  You are the socialist.  Muda - A true Bernie Bro.

And I laid out my logically consistent reason for doing so.   In this case I believe the end does support the means.

So if you now believe I am socialist should we hug as brothers in solidarity to the cause?

 

 

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4 hours ago, Muda69 said:

Again, this is just a maneuver by Mr. Killion to reduce school choice within the geographical boundaries of the West Lafayette Government School Corporation.   It is clear from his past rhetoric the Mr. Killion hates charter schools and what they represent,  real parent choice of where their taxpayer funds go.

 

His motivations are irrelevant to the determination of the constitutional question. So, why dwell on them?

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3 minutes ago, Bobref said:

His motivations are irrelevant to the determination of the constitutional question. So, why dwell on them?

Because if Mr. Killion truly supported school choice and public charter schools he may have not brought suit against the State of Indiana.

As a legal professional where do you stand on the constitutionality of the law in question?

 

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14 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

And I laid out my logically consistent reason for doing so.   In this case I believe the end does support the means.

So if you now believe I am socialist should we hug as brothers in solidarity to the cause?

 

 

An irrational hatred of public education does not make your stance logically consistent.  Only in your vortex is that the case.

A government boondoggle is a government boondoggle any way you slice.   And you have sliced yourself a big piece of the give away pie.

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3 minutes ago, BARRYOSAMA said:

An irrational hatred of public education does not make your stance logically consistent.  Only in your vortex is that the case.

A government boondoggle is a government boondoggle any way you slice.   And you have sliced yourself a big piece of the give away pie.

My contempt toward government education is not irrational. It is based on the concept of personal freedom, responsibility, and the fact that the government schools are failures, designed not to teach our children how to think but how to conform to the status quo.  To be good little workers for the state,  toiling away so the government could take a larger and larger portion of their incomes to fund the socialist agendas the likes of you and Dante love so much.

https://www.naturalchild.org/articles/guest/john_gatto.html

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Our form of compulsory schooling is an invention of the state of Massachusetts around 1850. It was resisted - sometimes with guns - by an estimated eighty per cent of the Massachusetts population, the last outpost in Barnstable on Cape Cod not surrendering its children until the 1880's when the area was seized by militia and children marched to school under guard.

Now here is a curious idea to ponder. Senator Ted Kennedy's office released a paper not too long ago claiming that prior to compulsory education the state literacy rate was 98% and after it the figure never again reached above 91% where it stands in 1990. I hope that interests you.

Here is another curiosity to think about. The homeschooling movement has quietly grown to a size where one and a half million young people are being educated entirely by their own parents. Last month the education press reported the amazing news that children schooled at home seem to be five or even ten years ahead of their formally trained peers in their ability to think.

I don't think we'll get rid of schools anytime soon, certainly not in my lifetime, but if we're going to change what is rapidly becoming a disaster of ignorance, we need to realize that the school institution "schools" very well, but it does not "educate" - that's inherent in the design of the thing. It's not the fault of bad teachers or too little money spent, it's just impossible for education and schooling ever to be the same thing.

Schools were designed by Horace Mann and Barnard Sears and Harper of the University of Chicago and Thorndyke of Columbia Teachers College and some other men to be instruments of the scientific management of a mass population. Schools are intended to produce through the application of formulae, formulaic human beings whose behavior can be predicted and controlled.

To a very great extent, schools succeed in doing this. But our society is disintegrating, and in such a society, the only successful people are self-reliant, confident, and individualistic - because the community life which protects the dependent and the weak is dead. The products of schooling are, as I've said, irrelevant. Well-schooled people are irrelevant. They can sell film and razor blades, push paper and talk on the telephones, or sit mindlessly before a flickering computer terminal but as human beings they are useless. Useless to others and useless to themselves.

The daily misery around us is, I think, in large measure caused by the fact that - as Paul Goodman put it thirty years ago - we force children to grow up absurd. Any reform in schooling has to deal with its absurdities.

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