Staxawax Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1. New Palestine 2. Avon 3. Brownsburg 4. Cathedral 5. Carmel 6. Warren Central 7. Homestead 8. Valparaiso 9. Lafayette Jefferson 10. Fishers 11. Chatard 12. Hamilton Southeastern 13. Merrillville 14. West Lafayette 15. Fort Wayne Snider Honorable Mention: Carroll (FW), Westfield, North Central, Fort Wayne Dwenger, East Noble, East Central, New Prairie, Evansville Memorial, Mishawaka Marian, Lewis Cass, Indianapolis Lutheran, South Adams. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Can’t really disagree much without nitpicking...until I get to the honorable mention list. 1A programs being listed while Center Grove and Ben Davis are omitted is head scratching. I know wins and losses matter and those two teams specifically have been underwhelming. Potential head to head CANNOT be the criteria here I hope... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodney Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 I agree with temptation. Imagine putting south Adam's on the honorable mentions list, with a bunch of teams that would mercy rule them. While center grove doesnt even make it. A potential cg vs south Adam's matchup would be almost comical enough for me to go watch a 1a team play 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympian06 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Temptation said: Can’t really disagree much without nitpicking...until I get to the honorable mention list. 1A programs being listed while Center Grove and Ben Davis are omitted is head scratching. I know wins and losses matter and those two teams specifically have been underwhelming. Potential head to head CANNOT be the criteria here I hope... Columbus East, CG, BD would beat the brakes off South Adams, CE plays 1 bad game (against CN) and all of a sudden they are below 1A teams.. but played a Top 50 team in the country until the last few minutes of the 4th quarter. Hell it doesn’t just go for South Adams, those 3 teams would beat majority of the Honorable Mention. Totally understand it’s strictly opinion tho. The Top 15 does look pretty good Edited September 23, 2019 by Olympian06 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staxawax Posted September 23, 2019 Author Share Posted September 23, 2019 5 hours ago, Temptation said: Can’t really disagree much without nitpicking...until I get to the honorable mention list. 1A programs being listed while Center Grove and Ben Davis are omitted is head scratching. I know wins and losses matter and those two teams specifically have been underwhelming. Potential head to head CANNOT be the criteria here I hope... Most of the “honorable mention” teams are there because they will be heavy players in their class come tournament time. As far as Center Grove is concerned, no matter how much talent you have, and I think they have top 5 talent, if you haven’t figured out how to win after 5 games you are not worthy of recognition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodney Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 South Adam's is not in the top 100 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTF Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Rodney said: South Adam's is not in the top 100 BS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTF Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Top 15 looks good. Wonders if there's a place for Dwenger. I certainly can't argue not having them in there, but they are possibly a Top 10 team. Will find out more when the tournament gets here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot 74 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Maybe this poll should be "Top 15 Teams Regardless of Class, and you have to be from Indy or Northern Indiana (Mid-Season)" I get it, polls are for discussion and to get insight from fans. But not to include any southern Indiana school in the Top 15. C-mon man!! Evansville Memorial Evansville Central Evansville Mater Dei Gibson Southern This poll includes primarily 5A & 6A schools. Zero 4A schools. And two of the Top 15 teams are currently ranked, according to Sagarin, 94th and 106th respectively!! Just sayin' 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staxawax Posted September 23, 2019 Author Share Posted September 23, 2019 13 minutes ago, Patriot 74 said: Maybe this poll should be "Top 15 Teams Regardless of Class, and you have to be from Indy or Northern Indiana (Mid-Season)" I get it, polls are for discussion and to get insight from fans. But not to include any southern Indiana school in the Top 15. C-mon man!! Evansville Memorial Evansville Central Evansville Mater Dei Gibson Southern This poll includes primarily 5A & 6A schools. Zero 4A schools. And two of the Top 15 teams are currently ranked, according to Sagarin, 94th and 106th respectively!! Just sayin' 1. This is my poll with my opinions. 2. My opinion is that Chatard and W. Lafayette are better than any 4A team. 3. See thread on Homestead if you don’t understand that Sagarin is not a true poll. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screagle Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 23 minutes ago, Patriot 74 said: Maybe this poll should be "Top 15 Teams Regardless of Class, and you have to be from Indy or Northern Indiana (Mid-Season)" I get it, polls are for discussion and to get insight from fans. But not to include any southern Indiana school in the Top 15. C-mon man!! Evansville Memorial Evansville Central Evansville Mater Dei Gibson Southern This poll includes primarily 5A & 6A schools. Zero 4A schools. And two of the Top 15 teams are currently ranked, according to Sagarin, 94th and 106th respectively!! Just sayin' Those 4 plus Heritage Hills make for a solid group from SW Indiana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot 74 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 43 minutes ago, Staxawax said: 1. This is my poll with my opinions. 2. My opinion is that Chatard and W. Lafayette are better than any 4A team. 3. See thread on Homestead if you don’t understand that Sagarin is not a true poll. Well then I can disagree with your opinions. I know Chatard is great and West Lafayette, but I can't imagine an accurate "any class" poll omitting half the classes. Your title of said poll should read differently "Top 15 in 3, 5, and 6A" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan88 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Staxawax said: 1. This is my poll with my opinions. 2. My opinion is that Chatard and W. Lafayette are better than any 4A team. 3. See thread on Homestead if you don’t understand that Sagarin is not a true poll. I agree with #2! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballking16 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Not sure I can complain with this list although as a tad biased, I would flop Cathedral and Brownsburg if anything given each teams performance against St. X. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballking16 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 And I’ll say this, I think Chatard is pound for pound the best team in the state. They may not have the speed/depth to compete in 6A, but they are a very good football team. After watching Cathedral do whatever they wanted offensively against X and Elder, Chatard easily was the best defense I’ve seen this year and I consider Cathedral to have the most explosive offense in the state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, Footballking16 said: And I’ll say this, I think Chatard is pound for pound the best team in the state. They may not have the speed/depth to compete in 6A, but they are a very good football team. After watching Cathedral do whatever they wanted offensively against X and Elder, Chatard easily was the best defense I’ve seen this year and I consider Cathedral to have the most explosive offense in the state. Can you define “pound for pound?” Is there some sort of formula? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballking16 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, Temptation said: Can you define “pound for pound?” Is there some sort of formula? No there’s no formula. It’s an old boxing expression. Someone like Floyd Mayweather is widely considered to be one the best “pound for pound” fighters of all-time. But as 155 lb boxer he would get whooped by any below average heavyweight and rightfully so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacklingFuel_10 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 10 minutes ago, Temptation said: Can you define “pound for pound?” Is there some sort of formula? Your best 11 vs. my best 11 for 48 minutes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 minute ago, TacklingFuel_10 said: Your best 11 vs. my best 11 for 48 minutes I don’t have an 11, but quite a few teams do...that are better than Chatard. I was thinking adding up all of the kids weights on the roster and dividing it by total number of points scored? 5 minutes ago, Footballking16 said: No there’s no formula. It’s an old boxing expression. Someone like Floyd Mayweather is widely considered to be one the best “pound for pound” fighters of all-time. But as 155 lb boxer he would get whooped by any below average heavyweight and rightfully so. Ah, so the best in their class? Got it. I’m on board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballking16 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Temptation said: I don’t have an 11, but quite a few teams do...that are better than Chatard. I was thinking adding up all of the kids weights on the roster and dividing it by total number of points scored? I don’t think there’s “quite a few teams” whose best 11 are better than Chatard’s best 11. I do think there are a handful of teams who have better 12-30’s and that’s where football games are won and lost (see my comments about depth above). 4 minutes ago, Temptation said: I don’t have an 11, but quite a few teams do...that are better than Chatard. I was thinking adding up all of the kids weights on the roster and dividing it by total number of points scored? Ah, so the best in their class? Got it. I’m on board. That’s not what that means but ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTF Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 29 minutes ago, Footballking16 said: And I’ll say this, I think Chatard is pound for pound the best team in the state. New Pal might have something to say about that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 9 minutes ago, Footballking16 said: I don’t think there’s “quite a few teams” whose best 11 are better than Chatard’s best 11. I do think there are a handful of teams who have better 12-30’s and that’s where football games are won and lost (see my comments about depth above). That’s not what that means but ok. I’ll take the first 8-10 on this list... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballking16 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, Temptation said: I’ll take the first 8-10 on this list... Certainly within your opinion but again that doesn’t quantify “pound for pound”, I don’t think you get what that means. 80% of those schools have 3-4x the enrollment of Chatard and I too would expect them to beat Chatard more times than not. But relative to Chatard’s enrollment, I think they are “pound for pound” the best team in the state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 16 minutes ago, Footballking16 said: Certainly within your opinion but again that doesn’t quantify “pound for pound”, I don’t think you get what that means. 80% of those schools have 3-4x the enrollment of Chatard and I too would expect them to beat Chatard more times than not. But relative to Chatard’s enrollment, I think they are “pound for pound” the best team in the state. So the best in their class? Got it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballking16 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Temptation said: So the best in their class? Got it. Yes I believe Chatard is the best team in 3A as well as the best pound for pound team in the state. They don’t mean the same thing. Edited September 24, 2019 by Footballking16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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