Trojan88 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 We are just past the half and 3A is a tough class. I have posted the latest sagarin, but this obviously could/will change. CLASS 3A CLASS RANK STATE RANK TEAM OVERALL RATING SCHEDULE STRENGTH RANK RECENT RATING RANK PREDICTOR RATING RANK 1 8 Indianapolis Chatard 101.97 77.81 23 100.48 9 102.55 7 2 17 West Lafayette 93.07 60.50 63 91.35 15 93.32 17 3 33 Mishawaka Marian 78.43 45.17 135 78.85 32 78.64 31 4 36 Brebeuf Jesuit 76.88 67.12 35 78.54 33 76.23 37 5 38 Guerin Catholic 76.21 67.23 34 80.28 27 75.41 40 6 52 Heritage Hills 71.57 38.40 175 72.03 50 71.30 53 7 56 Gibson Southern 69.50 27.09 251 68.79 57 69.67 57 8 73 Brownstown Central 64.05 38.59 173 65.47 70 63.90 74 9 79 Lawrenceburg 62.40 42.41 143 62.76 79 63.18 77 10 83 Southridge 61.85 34.69 200 64.59 72 61.35 84 A few observations: 1) Sectional 28 is brutal: #s 1, 2, 4, and 5 2) Section 32 looks to be tightening with Gibson, Heritage, and Southridge 3) Top 5 on one side, #s6-10 on the other...interesting 4) Does recent Indian Creek transfers impact Sectonal 29 5) Any insight on Mishawaka? 5) Big games this week: Heritage vs. Gibson, Chatard vs. Guerin Welcome any/all comments. Hope the second half is as exciting as the first half! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarshallCounty Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Marian appears to be a complete team up north, but it is heard to get a good read on them. The teams they have played all seem to be down, except for Jimtown. The CMA game should provide more insight on the Knights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Nowlin Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 That draw in 28 will be very anticipated Yorktown has a valid 3a team, but also get overlooked with how loaded that sectional is. In a perfect world you could see WL vs Crawfordsville Guerin vs North Mont Brebeuf vs Yorktown Chatard vs Heights You could also see Chatard vs WL Brebeuf vs Guerin Yorktown vs Heights Crawfordsville vs North Mont 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodKn19ht Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 As a graduate of Yorktown, you can never sleep on them in the sectional. A NORMALLY tough conference schedule helps prepare the Tigers. Coach Wilhelm is pretty good at getting them Playoff ready. They also have an extremely talented group of skilled players this year. No doubt this is likely the toughest sectional in the state top to bottom. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot 74 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 33 minutes ago, Trojan88 said: We are just past the half and 3A is a tough class. I have posted the latest sagarin, but this obviously could/will change. CLASS 3A CLASS RANK STATE RANK TEAM OVERALL RATING SCHEDULE STRENGTH RANK RECENT RATING RANK PREDICTOR RATING RANK 1 8 Indianapolis Chatard 101.97 77.81 23 100.48 9 102.55 7 2 17 West Lafayette 93.07 60.50 63 91.35 15 93.32 17 3 33 Mishawaka Marian 78.43 45.17 135 78.85 32 78.64 31 4 36 Brebeuf Jesuit 76.88 67.12 35 78.54 33 76.23 37 5 38 Guerin Catholic 76.21 67.23 34 80.28 27 75.41 40 6 52 Heritage Hills 71.57 38.40 175 72.03 50 71.30 53 7 56 Gibson Southern 69.50 27.09 251 68.79 57 69.67 57 8 73 Brownstown Central 64.05 38.59 173 65.47 70 63.90 74 9 79 Lawrenceburg 62.40 42.41 143 62.76 79 63.18 77 10 83 Southridge 61.85 34.69 200 64.59 72 61.35 84 A few observations: 1) Sectional 28 is brutal: #s 1, 2, 4, and 5 2) Section 32 looks to be tightening with Gibson, Heritage, and Southridge 3) Top 5 on one side, #s6-10 on the other...interesting 4) Does recent Indian Creek transfers impact Sectonal 29 5) Any insight on Mishawaka? 5) Big games this week: Heritage vs. Gibson, Chatard vs. Guerin Welcome any/all comments. Hope the second half is as exciting as the first half! 1) Agree 2) Maybe not as brutal as Sect. 28 but in it's own right, brutal!! 4) Yes big time. They may be the favorite now in their sect. 5) Not sure how a team is ranked so high playing a schedule with a win loss record of 7-18. I guess just because you play 4A schools?? 5)Next two weeks for HH are against GS and SR!! 3A in my opinion is the best class in the state!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Nowlin Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 it is the most competitive class no doubt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foobird Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 I've looked at sectional alignments before, using an approach called the "split line method". The origin of this approach is to come up with a fair way to map out voting districts and prevent gerrymandering. Sectional 28 has been of interest for many years, because it's always filled with 3 or 4 teams that could be state finalists. In the past when I've looked at Sectional 28, it has actually looked pretty fair. The current alignment is pretty close, but there is one questionable pair of teams. Using the Split Line method: Bishop Chatard should have been in Sectional 29 (and in the south). Tri-West Hendricks should have been in Sectional 28 (and in the north). Without getting too in depth into the split line method, the starting point is to draw the shortest line that breaks districts (or in this case football teams) into half. In the state of Indiana, the shortest line you can draw to separate 64 teams in half is a straight line running from the eastern border to the western border. In 3A, that line would run north of Chatard and south of Tri-West Hendricks. Tri-West should be in sectional 28 (and the northern semi-state). Chatard should be in sectional 29 (and the sourthern semi-state). Having said all of that... I'll never forget the outcome of Sectional 28 back in 2016. That was the year that Guerin, Chatard and Brebeuf were all in the same sectional and were considered 3 of the top 5 or 6 teams in the state. Guerin drew Tri-West and Brebeuf drew Chatard and many people were talking about how crazy that was. In the end: Tri-West went off on Guerin 35-3 in round 1. Chatard beat Brebeuf and Tri-West and then lost to Danville. (Who I think was unranked at the time). Danville lost to Lawrenceburg in the regional... i.e. Sectional 28 ended up having no impact on the state finals situation. But... I think Chatard will have a pretty big impact on the 3A post-season this year. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimeqb Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Foobird said: In 3A, that line would run north of Chatard and south of Tri-West Hendricks. Tri-West should be in sectional 28 (and the northern semi-state). Chatard should be in sectional 29 (and the sourthern semi-state). I think most logical people agree with this. And I also think most logical people know how 28 got drawn. It's been a long time since my stats classes. What's the probability of Chatard blindly-drawing Guerin or Brebeuf as a first round opponent? Is it as simple as 2 out of 7? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DumfriesYMCA Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 I wish the IHSAA would do regional assignments instead of sectional assignments and then seed those teams in each regional. Distance is almost irrelevant now with assignments. I mean Gibson southern and Princeton are 9 miles apart or so and they could potentially meet in semi state if both were fortunate enough to make it that far 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan88 Posted September 23, 2019 Author Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 hour ago, oldtimeqb said: I think most logical people agree with this. And I also think most logical people know how 28 got drawn. It's been a long time since my stats classes. What's the probability of Chatard blindly-drawing Guerin or Brebeuf as a first round opponent? Is it as simple as 2 out of 7? I would like to better understand "how 28 got drawn" - probably just my ignorance, but it seems there is an implication here.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacked Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 36 minutes ago, Trojan88 said: I would like to better understand "how 28 got drawn" - probably just my ignorance, but it seems there is an implication here.... Just be thankful that Evansville Memorial moved up a class or they would have put them in that sectional too. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LC_Bears_04 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 8 hours ago, Coach Nowlin said: That draw in 28 will be very anticipated Yorktown has a valid 3a team, but also get overlooked with how loaded that sectional is. In a perfect world you could see WL vs Crawfordsville Guerin vs North Mont Brebeuf vs Yorktown Chatard vs Heights You could also see Chatard vs WL Brebeuf vs Guerin Yorktown vs Heights Crawfordsville vs North Mont In a perfect world you would see Chatard vs. Crawfordsville Guerin Catholic vs. Yorktown Brebeuf vs. North Montgomery West Lafayette vs. Hamilton Heights If you seeded the teams, the seeds would be 1. Chatard 2. West Lafayette 3. Brebeuf 4. Guerin Catholic 5. Yorktown 6. North Montgomery 7. Hamilton Heights 8. Crawfordsville I have Chatard seeded #1 because their blowout wins over Brebeuf and Southport are better wins than any wins West Lafayette has on its resume so far, and Chatard’s loss to Cathedral is more impressive than West Lafayette’s loss to Lafayette Jeff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LC_Bears_04 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 4 hours ago, DumfriesYMCA said: I wish the IHSAA would do regional assignments instead of sectional assignments and then seed those teams in each regional. Distance is almost irrelevant now with assignments. I mean Gibson southern and Princeton are 9 miles apart or so and they could potentially meet in semi state if both were fortunate enough to make it that far I can’t figure out why Princeton and Gibson Southern aren’t in the same sectional, especially considering they are the only football playing high schools in Gibson County and the fact that the IHSAA likes to keep geographic rivals in the same sectional, like Fishers and Hamilton SE, LC and LN, and Southport and Perry Meridian. So I guess Princeton and Gibson Southern aren’t in the same sectional because the people at the IHSAA who put the sectionals together either failed geography class or were just too lazy to put together more geographically-accurate sectionals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DumfriesYMCA Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 1 hour ago, LC_Bears_04 said: I can’t figure out why Princeton and Gibson Southern aren’t in the same sectional, especially considering they are the only football playing high schools in Gibson County and the fact that the IHSAA likes to keep geographic rivals in the same sectional, like Fishers and Hamilton SE, LC and LN, and Southport and Perry Meridian. So I guess Princeton and Gibson Southern aren’t in the same sectional because the people at the IHSAA who put the sectionals together either failed geography class or were just too lazy to put together more geographically-accurate sectionals. We are all confused lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hhpatriot04 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 5 hours ago, DumfriesYMCA said: We are all confused lol The IHSAA says it starts from one of the four corners of the state and groups sectionals on a four cycle basis. Whether that's true or not, I don't know. Transparency should be of utmost importance in alignments and tournament draws. I believe the coaches' association is the only entity capable of applying that pressure. Strange to imagine Chatard used to be in the same regional as the SW 3A sectional (24, now 32). Obviously, the population in northern Indiana is pushing the line northward... Maybe time to look at random semistate and regional draws, instead of preset ones... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan88 Posted September 24, 2019 Author Share Posted September 24, 2019 A lot of games this weekend will shake class 3A up just a bit - some great match ups Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqbcoach Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 17 hours ago, LC_Bears_04 said: I can’t figure out why Princeton and Gibson Southern aren’t in the same sectional, especially considering they are the only football playing high schools in Gibson County and the fact that the IHSAA likes to keep geographic rivals in the same sectional, like Fishers and Hamilton SE, LC and LN, and Southport and Perry Meridian. So I guess Princeton and Gibson Southern aren’t in the same sectional because the people at the IHSAA who put the sectionals together either failed geography class or were just too lazy to put together more geographically-accurate sectionals. I actually think the sectionals make perfect sense. The only thing that is confusing is why sectional 31 isn't sectional 30 and vice versa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot 74 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, btownqbcoach said: I actually think the sectionals make perfect sense. The only thing that is confusing is why sectional 31 isn't sectional 30 and vice versa. Speaking of Sectional 30.........the injustice of some things. Sectional 28 an absolute meat grinder. Sectional 32, with 3 top 10 teams. Sectional 31 has some stiff competition top to bottom................and then you have a sectional like 31 with one team having a winning record. I know the schools have no choice in the matter, but the irony of it all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letterkenny Irish Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 22 hours ago, Trojan88 said: I would like to better understand "how 28 got drawn" - probably just my ignorance, but it seems there is an implication here.... The Tri West AD served on the 3A alignment comittee! Probably should have worried about what his HC was doing more than trying to weasel their way into an easier sectional! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan88 Posted September 24, 2019 Author Share Posted September 24, 2019 It is crazy to think that out of 8 sectionals and 64 teams that there currently are no top 15 ranked teams in 2 of those - 27 and 30. And 4 of top 5 in one sectional AND 7 of 10 in two sectional AND 12 of 15 in 4 sectionals. Just a bit out of balance, but it is what it is and it will make for some very good early contests come playoff time. Still too early, but its starting to become clear - 3A is gonna be tough! 2 minutes ago, Letterkenny Irish said: The Tri West AD served on the 3A alignment comittee! Probably should have worried about what his HC was doing more than trying to weasel their way into an easier sectional! Classic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jets Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 31 minutes ago, Patriot 74 said: Speaking of Sectional 30.........the injustice of some things. Sectional 28 an absolute meat grinder. Sectional 32, with 3 top 10 teams. Sectional 31 has some stiff competition top to bottom................and then you have a sectional like 30 with one team having a winning record. I know the schools have no choice in the matter, but the irony of it all. The whole thing REEKS of politics and bias. 7 minutes ago, Letterkenny Irish said: The Tri West AD served on the 3A alignment comittee! Probably should have worried about what his HC was doing more than trying to weasel their way into an easier sectional! LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan88 Posted September 25, 2019 Author Share Posted September 25, 2019 Based on records, it appears Knox, West Noble, Edgewood, and Brownstown Central are having good years as all are currently undefeated. Anyone have some intel on these teams? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Nowlin Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 KNOX: Blue Collar community with equally blue collar coach : All Coach Hendryx has done is win everywhere he has went http://pastfb.homestead.com/coaches/JohnHendryx.htm#loaded Offensive system, similar to what RCHS does, Shotgun WIng T, maybe doing some undercenter double tight double wing, but not 100% sure on that. His teams play hard, physical and they have nice facilities. Brownstown Central: Also a Shotgun Wing T team, similar to RCHS , Coach May is OUTSTANDING, year in and year out. This year looks to be the same. Hudl video: Knox: https://www.hudl.com/team/v2/37677/Boys-Varsity-Football/videos Brownstown: https://www.hudl.com/team/v2/37285/Boys-Varsity-Football/videos Edgewood: https://www.hudl.com/team/v2/3776/Mustang-Football/videos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tango Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 I can't speak to the others, but Brownstown Central is a team I was nervous about last year simply because we don't see any shotgun wing T so preparing is always a challenge. They are well-coached, tough, and do what they do very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot 74 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 hour ago, tango said: I can't speak to the others, but Brownstown Central is a team I was nervous about last year simply because we don't see any shotgun wing T so preparing is always a challenge. They are well-coached, tough, and do what they do very well. Oh come on....you guys weren't worried about anything except hotel room rates in Indy last year!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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