Temp’s Top 25 (Week 4)

[temptation]

1. Brownsburg
2. Westfield
3. Center Grove
4. Warren Central 
5. Crown Point
6. Lawrence North
7. Indianapolis Cathedral
8. Carmel 
9. Fort Wayne Snider
10. Fishers
11. Hamilton Southeastern
12. Columbus North
13. Carroll (Fort Wayne)
14. New Palestine
15. Concord
16. Mishawaka 
17. Bishop Chatard
18. Lafayette Jefferson
19. Elkhart
20. Evansville Reitz
21. Avon
22. Ben Davis
23. Plainfield 
24. Pike
25. Martinsville 

[BTF]

Our Top Ten, ironically, is almost identical. Push Snider to #11 and bump HSE to #6. 

[temptation]

1 hour ago, BTF said:

Our Top Ten, ironically, is almost identical. Push Snider to #11 and bump HSE to #6. 

It’s getting tougher as after four weeks of data, the push and pull between head to head competition and quality of wins becomes the debate.

Example:  Fishers beats HSE but loses to Pike who lost to BD who lost to Avon who lost to HSE.

Feel pretty confident in my top 9…after that not so much.

[BTF]

1 hour ago, temptation said:

It’s getting tougher as after four weeks of data, the push and pull between head to head competition and quality of wins becomes the debate.

Example:  Fishers beats HSE but loses to Pike who lost to BD who lost to Avon who lost to HSE.

Feel pretty confident in my top 9…after that not so much.

Agree. Based on overall body of work, I had to rank HSE ahead of Fishers. Beating a team by three points doesn't mean a whole lot to me. The outcome in Game 2 could be a whole lot different. I'm not surprised that Fishers beat HSE though. The level of play is off the charts right now for the Northern Indy schools. I'm not sure Noblesville, Westfield, HSE, Fishers, and Carmel have all put good teams together in the same season like they have this year. 

[Komets2727]

Good list!!! Agree on the top 8, after that, who the Hell knows…

[temptation]

3 hours ago, BTF said:

Agree. Based on overall body of work, I had to rank HSE ahead of Fishers. Beating a team by three points doesn't mean a whole lot to me. The outcome in Game 2 could be a whole lot different. I'm not surprised that Fishers beat HSE though. The level of play is off the charts right now for the Northern Indy schools. I'm not sure Noblesville, Westfield, HSE, Fishers, and Carmel have all put good teams together in the same season like they have this year. 

So intrigued by LN.  Was high on them in the off season but was curious if they could take the next step. The next month will tell us a lot about the seriousness of their state championship potential.

[BTF]

7 minutes ago, temptation said:

So intrigued by LN.  Was high on them in the off season but was curious if they could take the next step. The next month will tell us a lot about the seriousness of their state championship potential.

Took the words out of my mouth. I'm curious how good they really are. North Side's loss against them isn't looking so bad anymore. 

You've got Elkhart beating Noblesville?

Edited September 15, 2024 by BTF

[temptation]

44 minutes ago, BTF said:

Took the words out of my mouth. I'm curious how good they really are. North Side's loss against them isn't looking so bad anymore. 

You've got Elkhart beating Noblesville?

Not necessarily.  Trying to balance rewarding teams for winning games and not dropping teams with brutal schedules too much.
 

That being said, Ben Davis, Avon and Noblesville are on thin ice. They better start winning here soon or they’ll drop out all together.

[BTF]

11 minutes ago, temptation said:

Not necessarily.  Trying to balance rewarding teams for winning games and not dropping teams with brutal schedules too much.
 

That being said, Ben Davis, Avon and Noblesville are on thin ice. They better start winning here soon or they’ll drop out all together.

Losses will start mounting for HCC teams and others will bump up by default. I get it. It would be hard for me to rank a four loss Noblesville team ahead of a one loss Elkhart team given that Elkhart hasn't had the opportunity to play an Indy team. My poll will also reward the undefeated and one loss programs. 

[Staxawax]

14 hours ago, temptation said:

That being said, Ben Davis, Avon and Noblesville are on thin ice. They better start winning here soon or they’ll drop out all together.

Yeah I don't know why you are still bullish on Avon. There only win is against a Ben Davis sqaud that fooled us all into beleiving they would be a contender this year.  Plus, Avon's QB is out indefinately with a broken  collar bone.

[FastpacedO]

Can't argue any of them in the Top 20. Avon and Ben Davis will drop out. You never know with the Ben Davis vs Warren Central rivalry, but I think WC's defense is too good to lose this game. Mix in a young BD defense that is struggling and a BD offense that is a work in progress with a new OC I just don't see BD pulling the upset. The most intriguing games for Warren Central left are Lawrence North and Cathedral both WC home games.

 

Brownsburg will get some better tests the next couple weeks with Fishers and Westfield.

Big game this week between Westfield and HSE.

Good job on your Top 25 the Top 6 could shuffle around any time. Brownsburg looks solid just tough to talk about their dominance because of what they have done in the tournament. Cold this be the year? They sure look solid so far.

[BLACKGOLD2007]

On 9/14/2024 at 9:56 PM, temptation said:

Elkhart

Elkhart being on this list is because of over inflated wins against two bad South Bend football programs. They are about as good as Penn. 

 

[BTF]

3 hours ago, BLACKGOLD2007 said:

Elkhart being on this list is because of over inflated wins against two bad South Bend football programs. They are about as good as Penn. 

 

But a one point loss to Concord isn't looking so bad anymore, don't you think? Concord is 4-0 against four programs that are pretty good. Concord is #2 in my latest 5A poll, Sagarin has them at #3. Not arguing your point about Penn and Concord being on the same level, I just think Elkhart's 1pt loss to Concord (who also beat Mishawaka by 1) is better than Penn's 20pt loss to Mishawaka. For what it's worth, I do have Mishawaka at #1 in 4A. 

Was it Mishawaka or Northwood that lost two top tier athletes to Elkhart? If it was Mishawaka, kudos to them, they haven't skipped a beat and look to be even better than they were the last two years. 

Sidenote: Always have and always will have admiration for Penn and will root for them when they're not playing Snider. I'm a bit of a fan of Mishawaka now too now that they aren't in Snider's class. They lost two heartbreakers in a row to Snider and this is their year to shine in my opinion. 

[BLACKGOLD2007]

21 minutes ago, BTF said:

But a one point loss to Concord isn't looking so bad anymore, don't you think? Concord is 4-0 against four programs that are pretty good. Concord is #2 in my latest 5A poll, Sagarin has them at #3. Not arguing your point about Penn and Concord being on the same level, I just think Elkhart's 1pt loss to Concord (who also beat Mishawaka by 1) is better than Penn's 20pt loss to Mishawaka. For what it's worth, I do have Mishawaka at #1 in 4A. 

Was it Mishawaka or Northwood that lost two top tier athletes to Elkhart? If it was Mishawaka, kudos to them, they haven't skipped a beat and look to be even better than they were the last two years. 

Sidenote: Always have and always will have admiration for Penn and will root for them when they're not playing Snider. I'm a bit of a fan of Mishawaka now too now that they aren't in Snider's class. They lost two heartbreakers in a row to Snider and this is their year to shine in my opinion. 

We don't belong on this list and we proved that in Week 2. I just know Elkhart for what they are, struggle with the good teams and crush the bad teams. Sounds a lot like Penn these days. 

[BLACKGOLD2007]

29 minutes ago, BTF said:

But a one point loss to Concord isn't looking so bad anymore, don't you think? Concord is 4-0 against four programs that are pretty good. Concord is #2 in my latest 5A poll, Sagarin has them at #3. Not arguing your point about Penn and Concord being on the same level, I just think Elkhart's 1pt loss to Concord (who also beat Mishawaka by 1) is better than Penn's 20pt loss to Mishawaka. For what it's worth, I do have Mishawaka at #1 in 4A. 

Was it Mishawaka or Northwood that lost two top tier athletes to Elkhart? If it was Mishawaka, kudos to them, they haven't skipped a beat and look to be even better than they were the last two years. 

Sidenote: Always have and always will have admiration for Penn and will root for them when they're not playing Snider. I'm a bit of a fan of Mishawaka now too now that they aren't in Snider's class. They lost two heartbreakers in a row to Snider and this is their year to shine in my opinion. 

I would say the loss of the players to Elkhart has forced Mishawaka to rely on young talent that came to play this year. They face planted after the Penn game, was that because they left all their juice on the field and ran out against Concord, or is Concord that good. 

When push comes to shove, I don't think 5A is won by a true north team this year. I think Warsaw is their best bet, but Bart ball always finds a way to fumble that away as well. 

I think Penn's O bought into the hype after the Valpo game, and thought Mishawaka would just roll over for them, not taking anything away from Mishawaka, but that was the 1 out of 10 game scenario. But, I am biased so, maybe that game was the 9 out of 10 and Penn winning would be the 1, I just refuse to believe that they are that far behind Mishawaka.

[BTF]

5 minutes ago, BLACKGOLD2007 said:

We don't belong on this list and we proved that in Week 2. I just know Elkhart for what they are, struggle with the good teams and crush the bad teams. Sounds a lot like Penn these days. 

Temp and Sagarin are on the same page with Elkhart with Sagarin having them at #20. It's really hard to judge Elkhart right now since they don't have a win against a quality opponent. But as I said before, losing to Concord by 1pt is nothing to be ashamed of. I probably have Elkhart in the Top 25, but I wouldn't bet on them beating Ben Davis, Pike, or Noblesville. 

[BTF]

4 minutes ago, BLACKGOLD2007 said:

When push comes to shove, I don't think 5A is won by a true north team this year. I think Warsaw is their best bet, but Bart ball always finds a way to fumble that away as well. 

My top three teams are from the north right now. I've got Warsaw ranked 5th in the north behind Jeff, Concord, Merrillville, and Valpo. I like the north's top five in a head to head battle right now against the south's top five. 

[Komets2727]

3 hours ago, BTF said:

My top three teams are from the north right now. I've got Warsaw ranked 5th in the north behind Jeff, Concord, Merrillville, and Valpo. I like the north's top five in a head to head battle right now against the south's top five. 

5A North will win State, best 3 teams are in the North, just like last year

[Boilernation]

3 hours ago, BLACKGOLD2007 said:

I would say the loss of the players to Elkhart has forced Mishawaka to rely on young talent that came to play this year. They face planted after the Penn game, was that because they left all their juice on the field and ran out against Concord, or is Concord that good. 

When push comes to shove, I don't think 5A is won by a true north team this year. I think Warsaw is their best bet, but Bart ball always finds a way to fumble that away as well. 

I think Penn's O bought into the hype after the Valpo game, and thought Mishawaka would just roll over for them, not taking anything away from Mishawaka, but that was the 1 out of 10 game scenario. But, I am biased so, maybe that game was the 9 out of 10 and Penn winning would be the 1, I just refuse to believe that they are that far behind Mishawaka.

I watched the Valpo / Andrean game and came away thinking Valpo is not as good as they have been the past couple of years. Still good. But not winning 5A good. I am intrigued by Concord. All I know is they have a speedster at RB. 

[Boilernation]

@temptationWhere do you have Evansville Memorial? The Tigers have an offense that is operating on all cylinders. Enjoyable to watch.

[BTF]

1 hour ago, Komets2727 said:

5A North will win State, best 3 teams are in the North, just like last year

Hard to argue that. One might even argue that the north had the top four teams last year. But I'm not going to get into a debate with someone if Decatur Central wanted to argue that they were on par with Merrillville, Valpo, and Mishawaka. Those were your Top 5 in my opinion, no particular order after Snider. 

[temptation]

1 hour ago, Boilernation said:

@temptationWhere do you have Evansville Memorial? The Tigers have an offense that is operating on all cylinders. Enjoyable to watch.

Top 30 and charging.

[Komets2727]

39 minutes ago, BTF said:

Hard to argue that. One might even argue that the north had the top four teams last year. But I'm not going to get into a debate with someone if Decatur Central wanted to argue that they were on par with Merrillville, Valpo, and Mishawaka. Those were your Top 5 in my opinion, no particular order after Snider. 

Come on BTF, Decatur Central was clearly below Mishawaka and not better than Valpo and Merrillville. It’s not really even close

[BTF]

1 hour ago, Komets2727 said:

Come on BTF, Decatur Central was clearly below Mishawaka and not better than Valpo and Merrillville. It’s not really even close

Last year I felt like a few things went Mishawaka's way to allow them to still be in it versus Snider at the end. The deeper I dig, the more I'm coming to terms that Mishawaka, more than likely, was the second best team in 5A last season. I have a hard time with DC being "not better" than Merrillville and Valpo. The Merrillville/Valpo game went to the wire and could have gone in either direction. Merrillville and DC played Snider with equal toughness in my opinion. The only difference is that DC mustered two scoring drives against Snider compared to Merrillville's zero. Both games were relatively tight midway through the third quarter before Snider imposed their will in each game. After consideration, I'll give you Mishawaka at #2, but 3-5 could go in any order. 

[Rodney]

On 9/15/2024 at 8:03 AM, BTF said:

Our Top Ten, ironically, is almost identical. Push Snider to #11 and bump HSE to #6. 

WHAT IS THIS BLASPHEMY

 

SOMEONE GET A SCREENSHOT BTF SAID TO PUSH SNIDER DOWN