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6 minutes ago, crimsonace1 said:

Penix is the most talented QB IU has had since Sudfeld, for sure, and possibly since ARE. 

Ramsey is a good game manager. Penix is a unique talent ... and has three years of eligibility remaining after this year (and he's already burned his redshirt year). CTA was very adamant that Penix was the starter and he only "lost" the job because of injury. Ramsey does well, but Penix is the better QB and should be the starter if he is healthy. 

Meanwhile, Tuttle has already transferred once (from Utah to Indiana). 

Penix is injury prone and turnover prone.

Jury is out on him.

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10 minutes ago, DT said:

Penix is injury prone and turnover prone.

Jury is out on him.

He's injury-prone, but his talent is insane. He threw a couple of picks against Ball State in his first career start, but other than that, has done a decent job of hanging onto the ball. He can make throws - and plays - that stretch the defense. IU's offense is *much* more dynamic with Penix behind center, although Ramsey has always been a solid game manager who gets the ball to the right places. 

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2 minutes ago, crimsonace1 said:

He's injury-prone, but his talent is insane. He threw a couple of picks against Ball State in his first career start, but other than that, has done a decent job of hanging onto the ball. He can make throws - and plays - that stretch the defense. IU's offense is *much* more dynamic with Penix behind center, although Ramsey has always been a solid game manager who gets the ball to the right places. 

Off season conditioning will tell the tale on Penix.  He needs a good 20 lbs of muscle on that frame.  

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1 minute ago, Coach Nowlin said:

Food For Thought:

 

 

  

This is an example of the hollowing out of the mid sector of NCAA college football.

The elite teams are getting more elite, grabbing a disproportionate amount of 4 and 5 star recruits.

The next tier is slipping.  Its happening across the board in all conferences.

Not a good direction for college football.  The only way for the NCAA to get this under control is to put some kind of limit on how many elite recruits can attend a specific school.  

The NCAA playoffs are becoming very redundant.  Same old teams.  Hoping Baylor and Utah can break thru.  Glad Bama is out.  Dont want to see Oklahoma.  

 

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1 minute ago, DT said:

This is an example of the hollowing out of the mid sector of NCAA college football.

The elite teams are getting more elite, grabbing a disproportionate amount of 4 and 5 star recruits.

The next tier is slipping.  Its happening across the board in all conferences.

Not a good direction for college football.  The only way for the NCAA to get this under control is to put some kind of limit on how many elite recruits can attend a specific school.  

The NCAA playoffs are becoming very redundant.  Same old teams.  Hoping Baylor and Utah can break thru.  Glad Bama is out.  Dont want to see Oklahoma.  

 

Its also why you see record numbers in transfer portals.   

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On 12/6/2019 at 12:41 PM, Coach Nowlin said:

Food For Thought:

 

 

  

Here is dessert for thought:  Allen got a raise because he went 8 - 4 and had a winning B1G record.  Now they are going to play in the Gator bowl.   No one is asking him to draw a picture of his 8 wins.  First time since what?  1993?  How many coaches has IU had since 1993 and how many of them won 8 games?  None.  THAT is why Allen got a raise.  He's still a newer head coach.  Give him a couple more years before you start throwing him under the bus for not winning against the Penn State's, Michigan's, and Ohio State's.  It's just the beginning.  I've said this before:  IU needs to get where Iowa is.  Be consistent at winning 7 - 9 games every year and make a bowl.  Then the next step is winning against the best programs in the conference and maybe their division.  Here's food for thought:  He's on a much faster track than Wilson was.  The admins finally got it right and found their coach when they hired Allen.  

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Second helping on dessert:  I forgot to add  IU wanted to make sure that no other school would hire Allen away from them.   Also in the past, IU would have lost some of those games to teams with losing records.   They beat the teams they were supposed to beat.  Gator Bowl here we come!

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On 12/6/2019 at 12:41 PM, Coach Nowlin said:

Food For Thought:

 

 

  

I’d rather be 8-4 than 4-8 any day of the week. IU is playing in a January Bowl against an SEC team getting an extra month of practice, Purdue is sitting at home. IU returns 18/22 on their 2 deep on the defensive side and 17/22 on the offensive side. IU had a ton of underclassmen contribute and a reason why the Hoosiers are 8-4. Purdue is putting a ton of stock into kids that redshirted last year of kids that got hurt and didn’t get the game experience. I think Purdue fans are in for a rude awakening. Thin and weak in the trenches and that typically isn’t a winning formula in the B10.

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Purdue is building its program on the premise that it can beat teams 60-55 enough times a year to make a run at a division title and go to a bowl game

What happens when Bell, Moore and GK declare early for the NFL?

 

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17 minutes ago, DT said:

Purdue is building its program on the premise that it can beat teams 60-55 enough times a year to make a run at a division title and go to a bowl game

What happens when Bell, Moore and GK declare early for the NFL?

 

Brohm has had some great success recruiting top end skill position players on the premise of early playing time. And while that has netted some very highly rated classes, I feel he's neglected to develop and deepen his offensive line. Will see if that eventually catches up to him. 

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16 hours ago, itiswhatitis said:

Here is dessert for thought:  Allen got a raise because he went 8 - 4 and had a winning B1G record.  Now they are going to play in the Gator bowl.   No one is asking him to draw a picture of his 8 wins.  First time since what?  1993?  How many coaches has IU had since 1993 and how many of them won 8 games?  None.  THAT is why Allen got a raise.  He's still a newer head coach.  Give him a couple more years before you start throwing him under the bus for not winning against the Penn State's, Michigan's, and Ohio State's.  It's just the beginning.  I've said this before:  IU needs to get where Iowa is.  Be consistent at winning 7 - 9 games every year and make a bowl.  Then the next step is winning against the best programs in the conference and maybe their division.  Here's food for thought:  He's on a much faster track than Wilson was.  The admins finally got it right and found their coach when they hired Allen.  

When can we see IU actually doing something to their soft NON conference slate?   

Purdue NON conference from 2017 to 2024:  11 Power 5 teams and ND :   Mizzou, Boston College, L'ville, Syracuse, Virginia Tech, Oregon St, TCU, Vandy, and Notre Dame 

Purdue: 17' Louisville, Ohio, Mizzou (2 P5 teams) 18' Eastern Michigan, Mizzou, BC (2 P5 teams) 19' Nevada, TCU, Vandy (2 P5 teams)  20' Memphis Air Force BC (1 P5 team and 1 consistent winner, though losing Norvel hurts)  21' Oregon St, ND, Uconn ( 1 P5 and 1 Indy team that seems to carry some nationwide clout)  22' Indiana St, Uconn, FAU (Finally in 22' a Non conference schedule to rival IU's)  23'  Fresno St, VT, Syracuse (2 P5 teams) 24' Indiana St, ND, Oregon St (1 P5 1 national brand team in ND) 

IU NON conference From 2017-2024:   4 Power 5 teams :   Virginia 2 years, Louisville 2 years:  NO P5 teams in 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022.     

IU: 17' Virginia, FIU, Georgia Southern, Charleston Southern (1 P5) 18' FIU, Ball ST, Virginia (1 P5) 19' Ball State, Eastern Illinois, Ball St. (O P5) 20'  Western Kentucky, Ball St UCONN (0 P5) 21' Idaho, Cincy, WKU (0 P5) 22' Idaho, Cincy, WKU (0 P5) 23' Indiana St, Akron, Louisville (1 P5) 24' FIU, Charlotte, L'ville (1 P5)

So when can we expect IU Football to start scheduling some actual SEC/B12/ACC/P12 teams????  

 

12 hours ago, Footballking16 said:

I’d rather be 8-4 than 4-8 any day of the week. IU is playing in a January Bowl against an SEC team getting an extra month of practice, Purdue is sitting at home. IU returns 18/22 on their 2 deep on the defensive side and 17/22 on the offensive side. IU had a ton of underclassmen contribute and a reason why the Hoosiers are 8-4. Purdue is putting a ton of stock into kids that redshirted last year of kids that got hurt and didn’t get the game experience. I think Purdue fans are in for a rude awakening. Thin and weak in the trenches and that typically isn’t a winning formula in the B10.

When does IU start scheduling Power 5 conference teams in the pre season?    See above.   and See below 

1 hour ago, DT said:

Purdue is building its program on the premise that it can beat teams 60-55 enough times a year to make a run at a division title and go to a bowl game

What happens when Bell, Moore and GK declare early for the NFL?

 

They have backed up that initial class with currently another top 30 class as it stands on this day:  https://247sports.com/college/purdue/Season/2020-Football/Commits/

dropped a few spots when 4 star kid out of Texas, flipped to Colorado

So what happens?   Purdue Continues to recruit high skill and work on getting the high end OL to jump on board.  They continue to offer all the best OL in and around the midwest and afar, so its not from lack of trying. 

1 hour ago, Footballking16 said:

Brohm has had some great success recruiting top end skill position players on the premise of early playing time. And while that has netted some very highly rated classes, I feel he's neglected to develop and deepen his offensive line. Will see if that eventually catches up to him. 

Can't force them to come:   I liked the commitment of Gus Hartwig,  IN State kid, right up the road, going to nation wide all star game.   

I think we as rational college football fans understand that OL is far more difficult to bring in a 17-19 year old kid and start as a true freshman in the Big10, doesn't happen often, need time to develop.   I really liked what I saw out of Cam Craig, I was 3 rows from the field when PU OL Coach, benched the LG when he missed the assignment vs IU on a big 4th down play early in the game, the True Freshman went in and did really well, PU saved many of those OL guys from the 2019 class to RS them and started playing them in spurts last 4 games to retain their Red Shirt. 

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7 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:

When can we see IU actually doing something to their soft NON conference slate?   

Purdue NON conference from 2017 to 2024:  11 Power 5 teams and ND :   Mizzou, Boston College, L'ville, Syracuse, Virginia Tech, Oregon St, TCU, Vandy, and Notre Dame 

Purdue: 17' Louisville, Ohio, Mizzou (2 P5 teams) 18' Eastern Michigan, Mizzou, BC (2 P5 teams) 19' Nevada, TCU, Vandy (2 P5 teams)  20' Memphis Air Force BC (1 P5 team and 1 consistent winner, though losing Norvel hurts)  21' Oregon St, ND, Uconn ( 1 P5 and 1 Indy team that seems to carry some nationwide clout)  22' Indiana St, Uconn, FAU (Finally in 22' a Non conference schedule to rival IU's)  23'  Fresno St, VT, Syracuse (2 P5 teams) 24' Indiana St, ND, Oregon St (1 P5 1 national brand team in ND) 

IU NON conference From 2017-2024:   4 Power 5 teams :   Virginia 2 years, Louisville 2 years:  NO P5 teams in 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022.     

IU: 17' Virginia, FIU, Georgia Southern, Charleston Southern (1 P5) 18' FIU, Ball ST, Virginia (1 P5) 19' Ball State, Eastern Illinois, Ball St. (O P5) 20'  Western Kentucky, Ball St UCONN (0 P5) 21' Idaho, Cincy, WKU (0 P5) 22' Idaho, Cincy, WKU (0 P5) 23' Indiana St, Akron, Louisville (1 P5) 24' FIU, Charlotte, L'ville (1 P5)

So when can we expect IU Football to start scheduling some actual SEC/B12/ACC/P12 teams????  

 

When does IU start scheduling Power 5 conference teams in the pre season?    See above.   and See below 

They have backed up that initial class with currently another top 30 class as it stands on this day:  https://247sports.com/college/purdue/Season/2020-Football/Commits/

dropped a few spots when 4 star kid out of Texas, flipped to Colorado

So what happens?   Purdue Continues to recruit high skill and work on getting the high end OL to jump on board.  They continue to offer all the best OL in and around the midwest and afar, so its not from lack of trying. 

Can't force them to come:   I liked the commitment of Gus Hartwig,  IN State kid, right up the road, going to nation wide all star game.   

I think we as rational college football fans understand that OL is far more difficult to bring in a 17-19 year old kid and start as a true freshman in the Big10, doesn't happen often, need time to develop.   I really liked what I saw out of Cam Craig, I was 3 rows from the field when PU OL Coach, benched the LG when he missed the assignment vs IU on a big 4th down play early in the game, the True Freshman went in and did really well, PU saved many of those OL guys from the 2019 class to RS them and started playing them in spurts last 4 games to retain their Red Shirt. 

Brohm doesn't get paid for trying.  He gets paid to deliver results.  There is no gray area here.

I've seen you make this comment several times now  that PU is "trying" to get OL and DL recruits into WL.  

Brohm is a QB specialist himself and he is building a roster that seemingly ignores other key areas of personnel need.

Biggest concern I would have as a PU fan would be early departures.  IU doesnt seem to have that problem.  

 

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6 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:

When can we see IU actually doing something to their soft NON conference slate?   

Purdue NON conference from 2017 to 2024:  11 Power 5 teams and ND :   Mizzou, Boston College, L'ville, Syracuse, Virginia Tech, Oregon St, TCU, Vandy, and Notre Dame 

Purdue: 17' Louisville, Ohio, Mizzou (2 P5 teams) 18' Eastern Michigan, Mizzou, BC (2 P5 teams) 19' Nevada, TCU, Vandy (2 P5 teams)  20' Memphis Air Force BC (1 P5 team and 1 consistent winner, though losing Norvel hurts)  21' Oregon St, ND, Uconn ( 1 P5 and 1 Indy team that seems to carry some nationwide clout)  22' Indiana St, Uconn, FAU (Finally in 22' a Non conference schedule to rival IU's)  23'  Fresno St, VT, Syracuse (2 P5 teams) 24' Indiana St, ND, Oregon St (1 P5 1 national brand team in ND) 

IU NON conference From 2017-2024:   4 Power 5 teams :   Virginia 2 years, Louisville 2 years:  NO P5 teams in 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022.     

IU: 17' Virginia, FIU, Georgia Southern, Charleston Southern (1 P5) 18' FIU, Ball ST, Virginia (1 P5) 19' Ball State, Eastern Illinois, Ball St. (O P5) 20'  Western Kentucky, Ball St UCONN (0 P5) 21' Idaho, Cincy, WKU (0 P5) 22' Idaho, Cincy, WKU (0 P5) 23' Indiana St, Akron, Louisville (1 P5) 24' FIU, Charlotte, L'ville (1 P5)

So when can we expect IU Football to start scheduling some actual SEC/B12/ACC/P12 teams????  

IU already plays Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State every year and up until this year MSU has routinely been a top 15, top 20 program. If the goal is bowl eligibility, why does IU need to schedule a bunch of P5 schools in the non-conference when they already play 3-4 top 25 teams in the B10 East and potentially more in crossover games? I've seen several Purdue fans bring this up? Purdue played S&P #113 Nevada, S&P #103 Vanderbilt and a 5-7 TCU team playing a true freshman QB in the non-conference. And you still went 4-8? Does Purdue get some kind of trophy for losing to better teams? SOS has ZERO bearing on bowl eligibility. Does Purdue really gain anything by accumulating 2-3 losses in the non-conference and then failing to make a bowl?

 

10 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:

When does IU start scheduling Power 5 conference teams in the pre season?    See above.   and See below 

I don't make the schedule. And like I said above would you rather be 8-4 playing in a January bowl and getting the extra month of practice or sitting at home talking about how you "valiantly" scheduled better teams?

 

12 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:

They have backed up that initial class with currently another top 30 class as it stands on this day:  https://247sports.com/college/purdue/Season/2020-Football/Commits/

dropped a few spots when 4 star kid out of Texas, flipped to Colorado

So what happens?   Purdue Continues to recruit high skill and work on getting the high end OL to jump on board.  They continue to offer all the best OL in and around the midwest and afar, so its not from lack of trying. 

I won't say with 100% certainty, but I believe Purdue's recruiting is going to start plateauing and steadily decline from here on out. I still think they can land top 30 or 40 classes, but they aren't going to be able to sell immediate playing time to 4* recruits, especially at the skill positions, as Brohm's initial classes become upperclassmen. That has been a huge selling point for him as he inherited very little. But IU has steadily been stockpiling lineman and even someone like PJ Fleck came in and strengthened his OL with a bunch of JUCO/Grad Transfers something Brohm neglected. I think you're at least two years away from seeing a serviceable offensive line in West Lafayette.

 

17 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:

I think we as rational college football fans understand that OL is far more difficult to bring in a 17-19 year old kid and start as a true freshman in the Big10, doesn't happen often, need time to develop.   I really liked what I saw out of Cam Craig, I was 3 rows from the field when PU OL Coach, benched the LG when he missed the assignment vs IU on a big 4th down play early in the game, the True Freshman went in and did really well, PU saved many of those OL guys from the 2019 class to RS them and started playing them in spurts last 4 games to retain their Red Shirt. 

Agree but that is something IU has done. They started Coy Cronk from day 1 who turned into an All-10 caliber lineman and threw another true freshman into the fire when he went down with an injury and it's very likely Cronk is back for a 5th year along with BEdford (true freshman) and 2 other starters from this years unit. They also just added a grad transfer from Stanford who Purdue was very high on.

IU hasn't gotten the "stars" that Purdue has, but IU for the last 3 years has quietly stockpiled some unheralded talent and more importantly depth on both lines. And they've all been getting major PT as well.

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45 minutes ago, DT said:

Brohm doesn't get paid for trying.  He gets paid to deliver results.  There is no gray area here.

I've seen you make this comment several times now  that PU is "trying" to get OL and DL recruits into WL.  

Brohm is a QB specialist himself and he is building a roster that seemingly ignores other key areas of personnel need.

Biggest concern I would have as a PU fan would be early departures.  IU doesnt seem to have that problem.  

 

reload with same caliber of offensive skill kids?   Is that part of the equation?  

Early Departures are good thing, it means you have recruited top end talent that has produced to earn themselves a NFL paycheck by leaving early.   

I find it interesting that now that IU has actually did SOMETHING this past year, all of a sudden, folks think Brohm and PU was just a flash in a pan.   Funny stuff there 

39 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

IU already plays Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State every year and up until this year MSU has routinely been a top 15, top 20 program. If the goal is bowl eligibility, why does IU need to schedule a bunch of P5 schools in the non-conference when they already play 3-4 top 25 teams in the B10 East and potentially more in crossover games? I've seen several Purdue fans bring this up? Purdue played S&P #113 Nevada, S&P #103 Vanderbilt and a 5-7 TCU team playing a true freshman QB in the non-conference. And you still went 4-8? Does Purdue get some kind of trophy for losing to better teams? SOS has ZERO bearing on bowl eligibility. Does Purdue really gain anything by accumulating 2-3 losses in the non-conference and then failing to make a bowl?

 

I don't make the schedule. And like I said above would you rather be 8-4 playing in a January bowl and getting the extra month of practice or sitting at home talking about how you "valiantly" scheduled better teams?

 

I won't say with 100% certainty, but I believe Purdue's recruiting is going to start plateauing and steadily decline from here on out. I still think they can land top 30 or 40 classes, but they aren't going to be able to sell immediate playing time to 4* recruits, especially at the skill positions, as Brohm's initial classes become upperclassmen. That has been a huge selling point for him as he inherited very little. But IU has steadily been stockpiling lineman and even someone like PJ Fleck came in and strengthened his OL with a bunch of JUCO/Grad Transfers something Brohm neglected. I think you're at least two years away from seeing a serviceable offensive line in West Lafayette.

 

Agree but that is something IU has done. They started Coy Cronk from day 1 who turned into an All-10 caliber lineman and threw another true freshman into the fire when he went down with an injury and it's very likely Cronk is back for a 5th year along with BEdford (true freshman) and 2 other starters from this years unit. They also just added a grad transfer from Stanford who Purdue was very high on.

IU hasn't gotten the "stars" that Purdue has, but IU for the last 3 years has quietly stockpiled some unheralded talent and more importantly depth on both lines. And they've all been getting major PT as well.

Goodness:

1 Bowl game and 8 wins and all of a sudden IU fan above is throwing all sorts of darts at this Purdue fan.  No doubt 4-8 was disappointing, cookie didn't crumble Boilers way this year, for a variety of reasons, losing 3 studs probably the biggest, but I Digress...

Listen I get the excitement, I honestly do.   Purdue was able to participate in these vaunted extra practices the last 2 years as well.   

In this message board, I just politely asked about IU non Conference schedule and have asked if the extension (I am happy for Coach Allen) and what lots of folks are talking as "investing" in Football will translate to actually wanting to aim bigger, such as Big 10 Championships and College Football Playoffs?   I know that is what has been coming out of West Lafayette's camp, but from the response above, because you play in B10 East, you do not want to schedule any other teams that could actually help your program's trajectory into National recognized, you just want to be happy going for 8-9 wins.   Seems like you are selling IU short on expectations.   

This is for sure:   IU and PU rivalry has finally come back to full force and that is a GREAT thing for our state.    Just would like to see IU get more serious on their future schedules if their goals are what they should be, which isn't becoming Bowl Eligible by beating Ball St, Eastern Illinois and UCONN, though Cincy series starting in 2021 is good for IU.   

 

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59 minutes ago, DT said:

Brohm doesn't get paid for trying.  He gets paid to deliver results.  There is no gray area here.

I've seen you make this comment several times now  that PU is "trying" to get OL and DL recruits into WL.  

Brohm is a QB specialist himself and he is building a roster that seemingly ignores other key areas of personnel need.

Biggest concern I would have as a PU fan would be early departures.  IU doesnt seem to have that problem.  

 

Does Tom Allen getting paid now for Trying then??   Or results??   Confused on the difference? 

The extension last year was to keep Louisville from making him HC, I know you like to ride the different waves of your "takes" instead of sticking to them and riding them out, you like to just flip flop for what you perceive as "material" instead of having some fortitude to stick by your own words.    Classic DT   

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11 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:

 I know that is what has been coming out of West Lafayette's camp, but from the response above, because you play in B10 East, you do not want to schedule any other teams that could actually help your program's trajectory into National recognized, you just want to be happy going for 8-9 wins.   Seems like you are selling IU short on expectations.   

I'm not selling the program short, just being a realist. IU isn't going to leapfrog success and neither is a Purdue. To get to that upper echelon, you need to be a consistent bowl qualifier and in theory you should see an uptick in recruiting. Who has more momentum right now? An IU team with a chance at 9 wins playing a January bowl or a 4-8 Purdue team putting a lot of their eggs in one basket hoping that a bunch of RS freshman who didn't play and underclassmen take a massive leap?

Brohm was a home run hire for sure, but I think his aura is starting to wear off. He was significantly out-coached in a few games this year and has some head-scratching losses the last couple years. Do you think Purdue will be able to sustain its recruiting momentum after the allure of offering immediate playing time has worn off? Especially coming off a 4-8 season? I'm looking at Purdue's schedule next year and I'm not confident I see 6 surefire wins. Can't be paying a coach $6+/mil yr and not make it to a bowl game. 

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21 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:

Does Tom Allen getting paid now for Trying then??   Or results??   Confused on the difference? 

The extension last year was to keep Louisville from making him HC, I know you like to ride the different waves of your "takes" instead of sticking to them and riding them out, you like to just flip flop for what you perceive as "material" instead of having some fortitude to stick by your own words.    Classic DT   

It just seems like you are making a lot of excuses for his obvious recruiting shortcomings.  I expected better results.  Given all the hype.  

Louisville is ahead of Purdue by the way.  They seemed to have made the right choice.

I have the right to change my "take" after viewing the results on the field.

If Purdue goes 6-6 next year, which might be a stretch, Brohm will be 23-27 after 4 years at the helm.  In this era of instant gratification, that's not too impressive.

As far as Allen was concerned, I had zero expectations.  I am pleasantly surprised as an alum and a fan.

 

 

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9 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

I'm not selling the program short, just being a realist. IU isn't going to leapfrog success and neither is a Purdue. To get to that upper echelon, you need to be a consistent bowl qualifier and in theory you should see an uptick in recruiting. Who has more momentum right now? An IU team with a chance at 9 wins playing a January bowl or a 4-8 Purdue team putting a lot of their eggs in one basket hoping that a bunch of RS freshman who didn't play and underclassmen take a massive leap?

Brohm was a home run hire for sure, but I think his aura is starting to wear off. He was significantly out-coached in a few games this year and has some head-scratching losses the last couple years. Do you think Purdue will be able to sustain its recruiting momentum after the allure of offering immediate playing time has worn off? Especially coming off a 4-8 season? I'm looking at Purdue's schedule next year and I'm not confident I see 6 surefire wins. Can't be paying a coach $6+/mil yr and not make it to a bowl game. 

Both as a Fan and also "realist" I do think Purdue is able to bounce back and absolutely will be in the top 20-30 rankings in the foreseeable future.  The man behind the scenes is the reason why.  https://www.cleveland.com/osu/2018/04/ohio_state_football_losing_key.html

https://purduesports.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/eron-hodges/450

No doubt with money comes criticism, rightfully so, and IU will feel the same in the future as well

Not going for the 2 and win and the Nevada debacle absolutely was tough this past year.  Flip those and 6-6 again.   I think it was impressive the fight in the PU team this past year with the unheard of amount of Freshman and SOPH on their 2 deep competing. 

I think you can openly talk about b10 and national playoff hopes while on the rebuild   

 

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1 minute ago, Coach Nowlin said:

Both as a Fan and also "realist" I do think Purdue is able to bounce back and absolutely will be in the top 20-30 rankings in the foreseeable future.  The man behind the scenes is the reason why.  https://www.cleveland.com/osu/2018/04/ohio_state_football_losing_key.html

https://purduesports.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/eron-hodges/450

No doubt with money comes criticism, rightfully so, and IU will feel the same in the future as well

Not going for the 2 and win and the Nevada debacle absolutely was tough this past year.  Flip those and 6-6 again.   I think it was impressive the fight in the PU team this past year with the unheard of amount of Freshman and SOPH on their 2 deep competing. 

 

I hope you are right.  Purdue looks like the smallest, least physically imposing team in the Big 10.  Im not sure you can fix that in one year.  

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2 minutes ago, DT said:

It just seems like you are making a lot of excuses for his obvious recruiting shortcomings.  I expected better results.  Given all the hype.  

Louisville is ahead of Purdue by the way.  They seemed to have made the right choice.

If Purdue goes 6-6 next year, which might be a stretch, Brohm will be 23-27 after 4 years at the helm.  In this era of instant gratification, that's not too impressive.

 

I do not need instant gratification, I am not looking for "likes" 

6-6 would be a disappointment, never state otherwise 

Not making excuses, speaking in facts, you continually say that PU ignored OL and DL:    I have actually paid attention ALL THE TIME, and I know they have NOT in fact ignored it, they attempted, didn't land JUCO guys, it happens, all the time in recruiting.   

 

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Just now, DT said:

I hope you are right.  Purdue looks like the smallest, least physically imposing team in the Big 10.  Im not sure you can fix that in one year.  

Size differential against TCU, Wisconsin, IU, etc was evident, NO DOUBT.   Depth is next big step in my opinion for my Boilers, absolutely, so when a defensive Studs, Neal and Bailey go down, they can fill in with adequate players.  I am hopeful that comes to fruition starting in 2020.   time will tell 

I will state again:  It is GREAT for our state that IU finally got a pulse and a guy that fanbase (will they ever sell out that statdium?) can get behind as an IU guy!!    

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2 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:

I do not need instant gratification, I am not looking for "likes" 

6-6 would be a disappointment, never state otherwise 

Not making excuses, speaking in facts, you continually say that PU ignored OL and DL:    I have actually paid attention ALL THE TIME, and I know they have NOT in fact ignored it, they attempted, didn't land JUCO guys, it happens, all the time in recruiting.   

 

I get twice as much down voting on this site as I do up, so Im not really interested in likes or instant gratification.  I do like to challenge the status quo.  

At this point, best case Brohm is .500 after 5 years at PU.  

I guess that's what $6M a year buys you today.  

 

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7 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:

I think you can openly talk about b10 and national playoff hopes while on the rebuild 

A B10 championship for Purdue is a pipe dream right now and talks of play hopes is living in fantasy land. 
 

Wisconsin is and will for the time being be the class of the West. Minnesota may be pushing the needle but Purdue is way below the curve.

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3 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:

Size differential against TCU, Wisconsin, IU, etc was evident, NO DOUBT.   Depth is next big step in my opinion for my Boilers, absolutely, so when a defensive Studs, Neal and Bailey go down, they can fill in with adequate players.  I am hopeful that comes to fruition starting in 2020.   time will tell 

I will state again:  It is GREAT for our state that IU finally got a pulse and a guy that fanbase (will they ever sell out that statdium?) can get behind as an IU guy!!    

I wonder if IU would sell out LOS for home games against OSU, MICH, WIS, NEB, PSU, PU.  

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