DumfriesYMCA Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Just take each regional and seed the top 8 teams. Have the coaches in the regional vote on the top teams and put them accordingly. The other 8 are blind draw where nobody gets their feelings hurt that they are 16th ranked. play the sectionals and regionals the same with home field determined the same way as it is now. the idea that “you would have to play them eventually” falls completely flat when you consider that literally every other sport on every other level of play finds a way to seed...even racing there is qualifying but hey. Indiana I guess just knows better than everyone else. Just look at how we pay our teachers and how our education stacks up to everyone else. every sport, at every single level from HS to pro, in every state and around the world....they do this. But indiana, the state that underfunds our educators and schools while also criticizing them for not being RANKED (key emphasis in ranking) higher than other states, thinks they know better and shouldn’t do the same. I know this may be slightly off topic but come on. Only in indiana could they criticize teachers and such not being ranked higher but also disagree with the idea of ranking its own sports teams. Surprised they haven’t come out and said that studies shouldn’t rank states on how well they perform on delivering an education LOL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcjjones Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 9 hours ago, Coach Nowlin said: and I would counter that one of the better crews was Butch Jones ( I know retired now) from Cass County himself. Plenty of good Lafayette / Kokomo area crews to work that one per se. Same in Indy with Chatard/Brebeuf week 1 game Avon/Brownsburg is Semi Final round so half the crews are gone anyways He is to busy kicking my butt in Fantasy Football 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballking16 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 9 hours ago, vicvinegar said: I could careless if the sectionals were seeded, but because of what footballtalking said is why I don't support it. Why do you want to take another week of football away from kids? Especially in 5A and 6A? So that way only 16 teams make it per class? That sounds real fun! Add a tenth regular season game and your problem is solved. Not that hard of a concept really. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobref Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, Footballking16 said: Add a tenth regular season game and your problem is solved. Not that hard of a concept really. It’s like you’re right there in my head. 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballking16 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Bobref said: It’s like you’re right there in my head. 😀 -add tenth regular season game -formulate a rating system that effectively cuts ~half the field in half at the conclusion of the regular season (32 teams 1A-4A; 16 in 5A-6A) -Once the field is established; split the top half into a "Northern Bracket" and the remaining half into a "Southern Bracket" and seed accordingly (1-16 1A-4A; 1-8 in 5A-6A North and South) -neutral site semi-state games played as double headers -State finals Thanksgiving weekend at Lucas Oil Stadium stays the same This not only enhances high school football in the state of Indiana, but gives the regular season actual meaning. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor77 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 12 hours ago, jets said: Funny as a wrestling coach we figure out how to SEED a SECTIONAL and I’m pretty sure that is IHSAA sanctioned. The fact the IHSAA won’t seed football sectionals is pure LAZINESS. A criteria could be set, just as it is in wrestling, and it would get accomplished and guess what?? It would be a helluva lot better than we have now. Would at least give SOME meaning to a good regular season. Seeding a sectional in wrestling is way different than seeding a sectional in football. Wrestling gets you 30+ points of data vs 9 you would get in football. Those kids are also more likely to compete against others in their sectional, not just a mainly conference schedule all season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gipper Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Just now, Thor77 said: Seeding a sectional in wrestling is way different than seeding a sectional in football. Wrestling gets you 30+ points of data vs 9 you would get in football. Those kids are also more likely to compete against others in their sectional, not just a mainly conference schedule all season. Exactly. If your team is so tough, prove it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballking16 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Gipper said: Exactly. If your team is so tough, prove it. It's not about proving how tough your team is, it's about making the regular season mean something. What value is there in a conference title that doesn't get you a protected seed or a bye in the first round and at the very worst doesn't even guarantee you a home game in the first round? Avon is a game away from going undefeated in one of the toughest conferences in the state. Their reward? Drawing an away game against the second best team in the state the opening weekend. It's maddening. It's wrong. Show me another sport at any level where a conference championship doesn't impact your postseason draw. You can't. Edited October 14, 2019 by Footballking16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gipper Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, Footballking16 said: It's not about proving how tough your team is, it's about making the regular season mean something. What value is there in a conference title that doesn't get you a protected seed or a bye in the first round and at the very worst doesn't even guarantee you a home game in the first round? Avon is a game away from going undefeated in one of the toughest conferences in the state. Their reward? Drawing an away game against the second best team in the state the opening weekend. It's maddening. It's wrong. Show me another sport at any level where a conference championship doesn't impact your postseason draw. You can't. As I have always maintained, no one gets all the cards. Sometimes the football gods are on your side, sometimes not so much... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballking16 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Gipper said: As I have always maintained, no one gets all the cards. Sometimes the football gods are on your side, sometimes not so much... That's only because we continue to allow it to happen lol. If this were any other state in the country, Avon gets a protected seed or bye and they aren't playing the second best in the state the opening weekend. Avon/Brownsburg is only allowed to happen because we continue to allow it to happen. That's why I'm advocating change, to make the regular season actually mean something. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmizers3 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, Gipper said: As I have always maintained, no one gets all the cards. Sometimes the football gods are on your side, sometimes not so much... But when there's a better option why ignore it? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Nowlin Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 I have coached in this system we currently have my entire career (since 2003, or 1999 if you count Film Engineer) and not one time have I had a sense that the 9 games we played/coached in were "meaningless" I have had teams that you preach and preach stay patient, we will get healthier, we are playing tough teams now, but come week 10 it will pay off like in 2006, we finished regular season 3-6. 2006 SEASON (6-7) Coach: Chris Meeks Aug. 18 North Newton W 61 0 Aug. 25 at Kankakee Valley L 12 24 Sep. 1 North Judson L 0 3 Sep. 8 at Tipton L 7 28 Sep. 15 at Twin Lakes L 9 41 Sep. 22 West Lafayette W 16 14 Sep. 29 at Delphi L 6 14 Oct. 6 Sheridan L 17 34 Oct. 13 Benton Central W 33 6 Oct. 20 at Knox W 23 0 sect Oct. 27 North Judson W 16 7 sect Nov. 3 at Hammond Noll W 20 7 sect Nov. 10 Jimtown L 9 13 regn or 2008 finishing 4-5 on the year: 2008 SEASON (7-6) Coach: Chris Meeks Aug. 22 at Kankakee Valley W 35 14 Aug. 29 North Newton W 53 0 Sep. 5 North Judson L 14 28 Sep. 12 at Tipton L 7 26 Sep. 19 at Twin Lakes W 32 24 Sep. 26 West Lafayette L 25 35 Oct. 3 at Delphi W 45 7 Oct. 10 Sheridan L 7 42 Oct. 17 Benton Central L 0 35 Oct. 24 at Hammond Noll W 54 24 sect Oct. 31 Winamac W 55 27 sect Nov. 7 at North Judson W 9 0 sect Nov. 14 Lewis Cass L 14 30 regn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballking16 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said: I have coached in this system we currently have my entire career (since 2003, or 1999 if you count Film Engineer) and not one time have I had a sense that the 9 games we played/coached in were "meaningless" I have had teams that you preach and preach stay patient, we will get healthier, we are playing tough teams now, but come week 10 it will pay off like in 2006, we finished regular season 3-6. 2006 SEASON (6-7) Coach: Chris Meeks Aug. 18 North Newton W 61 0 Aug. 25 at Kankakee Valley L 12 24 Sep. 1 North Judson L 0 3 Sep. 8 at Tipton L 7 28 Sep. 15 at Twin Lakes L 9 41 Sep. 22 West Lafayette W 16 14 Sep. 29 at Delphi L 6 14 Oct. 6 Sheridan L 17 34 Oct. 13 Benton Central W 33 6 Oct. 20 at Knox W 23 0 sect Oct. 27 North Judson W 16 7 sect Nov. 3 at Hammond Noll W 20 7 sect Nov. 10 Jimtown L 9 13 regn or 2008 finishing 4-5 on the year: 2008 SEASON (7-6) Coach: Chris Meeks Aug. 22 at Kankakee Valley W 35 14 Aug. 29 North Newton W 53 0 Sep. 5 North Judson L 14 28 Sep. 12 at Tipton L 7 26 Sep. 19 at Twin Lakes W 32 24 Sep. 26 West Lafayette L 25 35 Oct. 3 at Delphi W 45 7 Oct. 10 Sheridan L 7 42 Oct. 17 Benton Central L 0 35 Oct. 24 at Hammond Noll W 54 24 sect Oct. 31 Winamac W 55 27 sect Nov. 7 at North Judson W 9 0 sect Nov. 14 Lewis Cass L 14 30 regn Meaningless in the sense that nothing you do in the regular season impacts your chances in the postseason. Go undefeated and you can play another undefeated team in your opening game. Go winless and there's a chance you can play a 1 win team the opening weekend. That ain't right. The postseason draw should impacted by the regular season. It isn't. It's a glorified 9 week exhibition. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Minimum 6 pages. Over/Under.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gipper Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, DannEllenwood said: Minimum 6 pages. Over/Under.... Easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustRules Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Try this exercise. Contact a friend or relative in another state who is a sports fan. Explain the high school tournament process to them. They won't believe you. #1 and #2 playing each other in the first round? I also grabbed a couple other random oddities. Sectional 33 Boone Grove (8-0) at Whiting (2-6) and Sectional 42 Trader's Point (700) at Tri-County (1-7). Also sectional 34 Pioneer at Cass (both 7-1) in the first round of one half of the bracket and Manchester at Bremen (both 2-6) on the other side of the bracket. Nobody would ever come up with this system if they were tasked with designing a post season tournament. It happened to avoid a lawsuit. It does still crown a champion at the end, but it's one of the most ridiculous ways of doing it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gipper Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 21 minutes ago, Footballking16 said: That's only because we continue to allow it to happen lol. If this were any other state in the country, Avon gets a protected seed or bye and they aren't playing the second best in the state the opening weekend. Avon/Brownsburg is only allowed to happen because we continue to allow it to happen. That's why I'm advocating change, to make the regular season actually mean something. I see your point, but stodgy institutions/cults like the IHSAA probably don't deal with change well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gipper Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 18 minutes ago, DannEllenwood said: Minimum 6 pages. Over/Under.... Bring your "A" game... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Hawk Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Another year, another wasted opportunity to make the regular season have meaning. Of course, as I had hoped would not happen, Pioneer and Lewis Cass in the opening round. Turnout for a sectional title game would have been much higher if they had met in the Championship. Simple solution: Continue with All-in Blind draw AFTER you seed the top 2 (I'd even support Top 3) and put them in opposite sides of the bracket. Still allows for potential big title game and still allows for your potential 1-2 win teams to meet in the first round and get a feel good win. I don't understand why this has to be so difficult. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 11 minutes ago, Gipper said: Bring your "A" game... ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojanmp52 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 8 hours ago, DumfriesYMCA said: Just take each regional and seed the top 8 teams. Have the coaches in the regional vote on the top teams and put them accordingly. The other 8 are blind draw where nobody gets their feelings hurt that they are 16th play the sectionals and regionals the same with home field determined the same way as it is now. I like the idea of doing a way with Sectionals for a while now having never thought of doing it like that but I like it, but one of my big things is let the doing away with the neutral field idea. We all know it is not so why not let the home team treat it like all the other game. I Love Friday Night Lights and with this whole neutral field thing you lose a little bit of that. So that is why I would like to let the better team that earned it in the regular season, be the home team and treat it as such. As far as ever one getting in and other state do not do it and we are the only one. well what is wrong with that Basketball has been all in for close to a 100 years and no is say we need to change it. I like the all in format. Lets say you have a lot of injury's the start of the year and have to play some young kids and lose a the first 3 or 4 games but by the end of the regular session you are one of the best team in the state and you get some key guys back and the younger kids take off but you do not make the playoffs due to the fact you had kids hurt in the regular season. I know some will say that is football and the way it goes and that is true, but when these kids get only 4 years of high school let them enjoy it and have a chance ever year to win it all because we know it how fast the 4 years go by and you only get to being in high school once!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWaterBoii Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 12 minutes ago, Hoosier Hawk said: Another year, another wasted opportunity to make the regular season have meaning. Of course, as I had hoped would not happen, Pioneer and Lewis Cass in the opening round. Turnout for a sectional title game would have been much higher if they had met in the Championship. Simple solution: Continue with All-in Blind draw AFTER you seed the top 2 (I'd even support Top 3) and put them in opposite sides of the bracket. Still allows for potential big title game and still allows for your potential 1-2 win teams to meet in the first round and get a feel good win. I don't understand why this has to be so difficult. "STILL TELL THE FANS ITS A BLIND DRAW" whisper voice... lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballking16 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, Trojanmp52 said: Lets say you have a lot of injury's the start of the year and have to play some young kids and lose a the first 3 or 4 games but by the end of the regular session you are one of the best team in the state and you get some key guys back and the younger kids take off but you do not make the playoffs due to the fact you had kids hurt in the regular season. That's called life. Every other state in the country has that part figured out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Nowlin Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 I just want folks to consider becoming a booster today 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gipper Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 7 minutes ago, DannEllenwood said: ? just being weird, I'm good at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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