Things that can improve the tournament

[Trojanmp52]

Here are a list of things in my opinion that could be changed to improve the tournament.

1 do away with the cap for the number of kids that can dress.  If a coach want to limit the number kids do to locker room size that is fine,

2 i for one like the random draw, but I also feel teams should  be seeded to determine who is the home team.  I hate the way they do it  now. No team with a better record should be playing games on the road.  This way the people saying the regular season need to mean more this would help in doing that.

3 do away with whole  idea of neutral site.  Let the home teams treat it like  a home game. That is one of things that make high school football great. 
 

4 move the regular season to left a week 5 and 6A can add a game and that last week all other class are on a bye week

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[JQWL]

3 minutes ago, Trojanmp52 said:

Here are a list of things in my opinion that could be changed to improve the tournament.

1 do away with the cap for the number of kids that can dress.  If a coach want to limit the number kids do to locker room size that is fine,

2 i for one like the random draw, but I also feel teams should  be seeded to determine who is the home team.  I hate the way they do it  now. No team with a better record should be playing games on the road.  This way the people saying the regular season need to mean more this would help in doing that.

3 do away with whole  idea of neutral site.  Let the home teams treat it like  a home game. That is one of things that make high school football great. 
 

4 move the regular season to left a week 5 and 6A can add a game and that last week all other class are on a bye week

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I'd like to see two adjoining sectionals seeded. For us, seed the 16 teams in sectionals 39 and 40. In general, the travel is the same. You'll have 2-hour drives in the current alignment or do it this way. I don't know that Sagarin is the way to go or another metric but something would be better than nothing. I almost think the sectional would be 2 weeks, and the regional 2 weeks but I'm not sure I'm sold on this.

[Trojanmp52]

1 hour ago, JQWL said:

I'd like to see two adjoining sectionals seeded. For us, seed the 16 teams in sectionals 39 and 40. In general, the travel is the same. You'll have 2-hour drives in the current alignment or do it this way. I don't know that Sagarin is the way to go or another metric but something would be better than nothing. I almost think the sectional would be 2 weeks, and the regional 2 weeks but I'm not sure I'm sold on this.

The way I would do the ranking is take Sagarin, the media poll the coaches poll and then at Random have 6 to 8 ADS of the class in the north or south ranking them. Drop the the highest and lowest from the AD list, average that list. Once you have the average of the AD poll you average the those four together to get the final number for seeding

[WWFan]

I feel so few teams do the whole neutral thing. Been to a few games this year and I've seen blow up entrances, noise makers, announcers getting the crowd going ect. Just let it all happen

[oldtimeqb]

1 hour ago, JQWL said:

I'd like to see two adjoining sectionals seeded. For us, seed the 16 teams in sectionals 39 and 40. In general, the travel is the same. You'll have 2-hour drives in the current alignment or do it this way. I don't know that Sagarin is the way to go or another metric but something would be better than nothing. I almost think the sectional would be 2 weeks, and the regional 2 weeks but I'm not sure I'm sold on this.

I second this idea.  I would also add that I like the Illinois model of Saturday afternoon games (between 1pm - 7pm) unless BOTH schools agree to Friday night.  

So the Indy-centric sectionals could still play Friday night, but those games like Linton vs Brownstown or Providence vs. North Daviess don't require students to leave school mid-day.  Not to mention fan travel, etc. 

[Daniel_Bragg]

4 minutes ago, WWFan said:

I feel so few teams do the whole neutral thing. Been to a few games this year and I've seen blow up entrances, noise makers, announcers getting the crowd going ect. Just let it all happen

I agree with this.  I get what they are trying to accomplish, because it is a "luck of the draw" thing, but so many schools seem to disregard it.  This past week, how one announcer got around the rule, was he would just yell out the door/window of the booth, and the crowd would react.  It's the same thing, just not over the PA system.  

[tango]

13 minutes ago, oldtimeqb said:

I second this idea.  I would also add that I like the Illinois model of Saturday afternoon games (between 1pm - 7pm) unless BOTH schools agree to Friday night.  

So the Indy-centric sectionals could still play Friday night, but those games like Linton vs Brownstown or Providence vs. North Daviess don't require students to leave school mid-day.  Not to mention fan travel, etc. 

The road team can control when the game is played now. If they don't want to leave school unusually early and travel on Friday night, they can choose Saturday. There's more competition for refs and fans on Saturdays with college football. 

Edited November 19, 2024 by tango

[BDGiant93]

51 minutes ago, WWFan said:

I feel so few teams do the whole neutral thing. Been to a few games this year and I've seen blow up entrances, noise makers, announcers getting the crowd going ect. Just let it all happen

I was told the ADs in Sectional 6 agreed to let the home games be treated as home games in the Sectional.

[Punttheball]

12 minutes ago, BDGiant93 said:

I was told the ADs in Sectional 6 agreed to let the home games be treated as home games in the Sectional.

I did not know we had a choice in what rules we wanted to follow and which we didn't.  Don't tell Mr. Falkens!  Did they tell the referees the players could wear their pants above the knee? Or no knee pads needed at all?

I would like to see the use of drones be allowed in the tournament.  We use them all season, and then they are banned.  

[BDGiant93]

20 minutes ago, Punttheball said:

I did not know we had a choice in what rules we wanted to follow and which we didn't.  Don't tell Mr. Falkens!  Did they tell the referees the players could wear their pants above the knee? Or no knee pads needed at all?

I would like to see the use of drones be allowed in the tournament.  We use them all season, and then they are banned.  

Don't take it as Gospel. I heard it secondhand.

[JQWL]

56 minutes ago, BDGiant93 said:

Don't take it as Gospel. I heard it secondhand.

I do know that when we played Brownstown in Round 2, they asked if they could do some kind of entrance, which they always do. ( I don't remember what it was. Maybe an inflatable helmet thing? I didn't see it.) But they had to get approval because we wouldn't have one. We obviously didn't care.

[WWFan]

6 minutes ago, JQWL said:

I do know that when we played Brownstown in Round 2, they asked if they could do some kind of entrance, which they always do. ( I don't remember what it was. Maybe an inflatable helmet thing? I didn't see it.) But they had to get approval because we wouldn't have one. We obviously didn't care.

Correct. They had a big inflatable helmet. Linton has noise makers and a helmet. I didn't know about "neutral" rule until Valley/Providence so I started noticing things. But didn't about asking permission and stuff. Interesting. 

[PDB26]

3 hours ago, Trojanmp52 said:

2 i for one like the random draw, but I also feel teams should  be seeded to determine who is the home team.  I hate the way they do it  now. No team with a better record should be playing games on the road.  This way the people saying the regular season need to mean more this would help in doing that.

3 do away with whole  idea of neutral site.  Let the home teams treat it like  a home game. That is one of things that make high school football great.

Disagree with 2 for the same reason that I agree with 3––I think that makes the tournament interesting and great. I like that the best team might have to go play in a hostile environment at some point during the tournament. I know you're not saying the regular season needs to be more meaningful, but I wonder if sometimes we're stretching too far to find ways to make things more meaningful than they already are or should be to the boys on the field, the coaches on the sidelines, and the fans in the stands or stuck at home catching it on the radio or streaming it. I don't want to be the guy dropping movie quotes like somebody's annoying uncle, but––it's my favorite scene in any football movie––in Friday Night Lights the QB is getting pitched on an in-home visit and the second coach asks him if he likes playing football and says, with the most earnest smile, "it's supposed to be fun ya know, greatest game in the world." 

[HoopsCoach]

7 hours ago, Trojanmp52 said:

3 do away with whole  idea of neutral site.  Let the home teams treat it like  a home game. That is one of things that make high school football great. 

I’m ok with this in the sectional, but I want to see the tournament go to neutral sites for regional and semi-state.

[PHJIrish]

The semi-state and finals would be better for me if the IHSAA found a local network that would carry the games instead of streaming.  I guess it' their game however.

[psaboy]

9 minutes ago, PHJIrish said:

The semi-state and finals would be better for me if the IHSAA found a local network that would carry the games instead of streaming.  I guess it' their game however.

This is all about the money. It was great having those games on TV, but that will never happen again, I'm betting.

[PHJIrish]

1 hour ago, psaboy said:

This is all about the money. It was great having those games on TV, but that will never happen again, I'm betting.

Oh, no doubt!  I was told by one of their commissioners that none of the local Indy stations cared to carry the games.  This was about 10 years or so ago, and I just laughed in his face!  I guess there's enough fans that will buy into what they're selling.  PPV for high school championship sports just sounds wrong to this old fan.

Edited November 20, 2024 by PHJIrish

[1st_and_10]

11 hours ago, psaboy said:

This is all about the money. It was great having those games on TV, but that will never happen again, I'm betting.

For a "Non for profit" entity... 

[US31]

1 hour ago, 1st_and_10 said:

For a "Non for profit" entity... 

Non profit's still have bills to pay😇

For the record I wish the State Finals was still carried on "traditional" TV broadcast.

[BDGiant93]

16 hours ago, PHJIrish said:

The semi-state and finals would be better for me if the IHSAA found a local network that would carry the games instead of streaming.  I guess it' their game however.

I'm told that they tried, but nothing made sense. There were no partners willing to do the finals like before.

16 hours ago, psaboy said:

This is all about the money. It was great having those games on TV, but that will never happen again, I'm betting.

Broadcasts cost money. Broadcasters cost money. Camera crew costs money. Techs cost money. Equipment costs money. Network infrastructure costs money. I don't think the margins are what you think they are.

Edited November 20, 2024 by BDGiant93

[PHJIrish]

4 hours ago, BDGiant93 said:

I'm told that they tried, but nothing made sense. There were no partners willing to do the finals like before.

Broadcasts cost money. Broadcasters cost money. Camera crew costs money. Techs cost money. Equipment costs money. Network infrastructure costs money. I don't think the margins are what you think they are.

I guess, WNDY, Channel 23, must've lost a whole lot of money this year then!  And WHMB, Channel 40 likewise in prior seasons.

[JustRules]

4 minutes ago, PHJIrish said:

I guess, WNDY, Channel 23, must've lost a whole lot of money this year then!  And WHMB, Channel 40 likewise in prior seasons.

That wasn't WNDY broadcasting. It was ISC Sports Network who simulcast it on WNDY. I don't know the ins and outs of how those agreements work, but there must be a reason the cost is much greater to broadcast that to over multiple stations around the state. Not sure if ISC is directly involved with the state finals, but it's a lot of the same announcers on the games. I'm guessing ISC is doing a lot of the production work for IHSAAtv.org.

[PHJIrish]

I guess the bottom line is always more important than serving the community.  I know all about ISC and I know Rake well.  That's all I've got to say on this matter.

[BDGiant93]

13 hours ago, PHJIrish said:

I guess, WNDY, Channel 23, must've lost a whole lot of money this year then!  And WHMB, Channel 40 likewise in prior seasons.

WNDY is not a statewide network which, it's my understanding, is a requirement...the ability to be seen statewide.

[Trojanmp52]

I miss the old Chanel 4, I think problem is you do have true just local tv station anymore.

On 11/19/2024 at 6:12 PM, HoopsCoach said:

I’m ok with this in the sectional, but I want to see the tournament go to neutral sites for regional and semi-state.

Why do you think that.