Endzone Cameras vs. Drones

[Lucy Draper]

I was hoping to do an informal poll on the preferred method of gathering game/practice film in the current era of high school football. Is a trend developing with schools moving away from tried and true endzone cameras, such as the HI-POD X31, in favor of unreliable drones? Are today's coaches willing to risk safety and lesser quality for the flash and glamor of drones?

I don't think it's a coincidence that longtime Indiana coaching legends like Bud Wright, Ott Hurley, Rick Streiff, Dick Dullaghan, Don Howell, Jerry Brewer, Chris Geesman, Bill Sharpe, etc are leaving the game in droves as "drone filming" is being pushed by more school administrations. 

Edited December 6, 2024 by Lucy Draper

[coachkj]

Just as funny this year as last year.

[Lucy Draper]

14 minutes ago, coachkj said:

Just as funny this year as last year.

Coach, what is your opinion on this burgeoning issue and how it affects Indiana high school football?

[Julio]

Russ likes the drone footage.

[CoachPatch]

Drone Footage all Day!!! 

[Coach Nowlin]

Just not in Weeks 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, or 15 !!!!  🥵

[CoachPatch]

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Posted 11 minutes ago

Just not in Weeks 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, or 15 !!!!  🥵

Which is absolutely crazy........ and another dumb rule. 

[Punttheball]

1 hour ago, CoachPatch said:

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Posted 11 minutes ago

Just not in Weeks 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, or 15 !!!!  🥵

Which is absolutely crazy........ and another dumb rule. 

I will second that!  The coaches association needs to make a plea to the IHSAA for the use of drones in the playoffs.  It is by far a superior view over a stationary endzone camera without all of the headaches of setting it up.  We run ours through our sideline kit and get a great view during the game.  Endzone cameras are obsolete.

[Bobref]

9 hours ago, Lucy Draper said:

legends like Bud Wright, Ott Hurley, Rick Streiff, Dick Dullaghan, Don Howell, Jerry Brewer, Chris Geesman, Bill Sharpe, etc are leaving the game in droves as "drone filming" is being pushed by more school administrations.

Don Howell has been dead for 25 years.

[Bobref]

How would you feel about the officials wearing Go-Pros? Body cams?

[BTF]

6 hours ago, Punttheball said:

Endzone cameras are obsolete.

Several coaching staffs utilize both. Can't be THAT obsolete. 

[Impartial_Observer]

13 hours ago, Bobref said:

How would you feel about the officials wearing Go-Pros? Body cams?

I asked about this for training purposes. I was told in no uncertain terms absolutely not. 

[Bobref]

Just now, Impartial_Observer said:

I asked about this for training purposes. I was told in no uncertain terms absolutely not. 

That’s the problem. It’s better to beg forgiveness than ask permission. 😂🤣

[Impartial_Observer]

1 minute ago, Bobref said:

That’s the problem. It’s better to beg forgiveness than ask permission. 😂🤣

I no longer apply for the tournament in either sport I work, I’m way past the point of caring, what are they going to do take my license? 

[Daniel_Bragg]

45 minutes ago, Impartial_Observer said:

I asked about this for training purposes. I was told in no uncertain terms absolutely not. 

Why wouldn't they want this for training purposes?  Is it the officials or the IHSAA who don't want it?  The biggest issue with body cams or GoPros being that they don't follow your eyes, so it's possible that most of the footage doesn't result in anything helpful anyway.

[Bobref]

7 minutes ago, Daniel_Bragg said:

Why wouldn't they want this for training purposes?  Is it the officials or the IHSAA who don't want it?  The biggest issue with body cams or GoPros being that they don't follow your eyes, so it's possible that most of the footage doesn't result in anything helpful anyway.

A Go-Pro affixed to the head might be very helpful. One of the most difficult aspects of video review is trying to determine what an official is looking at, and how that contributed to officiating the play. A Go-Pro would basically show you what the official saw during the play.

And it’s the IHSAA that refuses to use or authorize such technology.

Edited December 7, 2024 by Bobref

[hhpatriot04]

5 hours ago, Bobref said:

A Go-Pro affixed to the head might be very helpful. One of the most difficult aspects of video review is trying to determine what an official is looking at, and how that contributed to officiating the play. A Go-Pro would basically show you what the official saw during the play.

And it’s the IHSAA that refuses to use or authorize such technology.

Probably don't want to risk the footage being used by those dang attorneys in a legal case.

[Impartial_Observer]

12 hours ago, Bobref said:

A Go-Pro affixed to the head might be very helpful. One of the most difficult aspects of video review is trying to determine what an official is looking at, and how that contributed to officiating the play. A Go-Pro would basically show you what the official saw during the play.

And it’s the IHSAA that refuses to use or authorize such technology.

Exactly what I wanted, to see where they were looking. Again, this was only used for training purposes. Had no interest in sharing film. 

Edited December 8, 2024 by Impartial_Observer

[CWPRD67]

I brought the idea of using a drone and we have embraced it as another angle, we have Hudl Focus (has not been as useful as billed but Hudl Sideline was slow or not functioning for chunks of this season and that was its main purpose), Drone footage and if weather is questionable we have the endzone camera that also gives tighter view. The biggest problem with the endzone camera is there is more human error, the drone captures sideline to sideline without having to pan or zoom much better than a typical endzone camera while staying steady. Plus the drone captures all of the routes on the field so you can coach up routes from a better vantage point than your typical sideline wide copy. 

[Punttheball]

On 12/6/2024 at 8:30 PM, BTF said:

Several coaching staffs utilize both. Can't be THAT obsolete. 

There is no denying that the drone far outperforms the endzone camera.  If you understand the technology associated with the Hudl Sideline unit, using a drone over an endzone camera is a no-brainer.  If you cannot receive the drone view on Hudl Sideline, then I understand using both, but live streaming to Hudl Sideline from a drone is superior to the endzone camera.

[BDGiant93]

On 12/6/2024 at 9:44 AM, Lucy Draper said:

I don't think it's a coincidence that longtime Indiana coaching legends like Bud Wright, Ott Hurley, Rick Streiff, Dick Dullaghan, Don Howell, Jerry Brewer, Chris Geesman, Bill Sharpe, etc are leaving the game in droves as "drone filming" is being pushed by more school administrations. 

Dick Dullaghan retired 21 years ago. Someone born on the day of his last game could now drink alcohol.

[TightEndOpenAgain]

Is it true that Maconaquah can't use a drone on their home field because of being close to Grissom Air Force Base?

[Muda69]

1 minute ago, TightEndOpenAgain said:

Is it true that Maconaquah can't use a drone on their home field because of being close to Grissom Air Force Base?

I've never heard that.  It's close to 5 miles from MHS to Grissom, and it's not even an active duty AFB anymore.

 

[Punttheball]

19 hours ago, TightEndOpenAgain said:

Is it true that Maconaquah can't use a drone on their home field because of being close to Grissom Air Force Base?

Not true.  They are used there and Lewis Cass.  The drones are not flown high enough.

[Huge Football Fan]

On 12/7/2024 at 9:06 AM, Bobref said:

A Go-Pro affixed to the head might be very helpful. One of the most difficult aspects of video review is trying to determine what an official is looking at, and how that contributed to officiating the play. A Go-Pro would basically show you what the official saw during the play.

And it’s the IHSAA that refuses to use or authorize such technology.

I really disagree with this and this is something that you see and hear from people all the time and I'm surprised you are in this camp. When people say "he was looking right at it" I tell them you know his hat was pointed at that direction but you don't know what he was actually "LOOKING" at. Your eyes are not affixed to your hat. Yes its likely that your eyes and hat are looking at the same thing but not always.

I would think it would be cool to wear a go-pro in a game but whenever I see the footage from a big 10/fox game the footage is never good.