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I would hate to see this site go to a pay site.  I'm happy to donate now, but I think there are a lot like me who will lurk and post only once in a while.  Youth and high school football in Indiana is driven by volunteers.  Yes, there are paid coaches at the high school level, but for the most part it's peanuts.  Assistants, parents, players, boosters, youth coaches, etc.... none of us are in this for the money or for profit.

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What is the all time highest membership count for the GID pre crash?

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1 minute ago, slicer28 said:

I would hate to see this site go to a pay site.  I'm happy to donate now, but I think there are a lot like me who will lurk and post only once in a while.  Youth and high school football in Indiana is driven by volunteers.  Yes, there are paid coaches at the high school level, but for the most part it's peanuts.  Assistants, parents, players, boosters, youth coaches, etc.... none of us are in this for the money or for profit.

Good points.

However, I have to ask myself

Why would the GID brass go to all that trouble, and all that expense,  replacing a server and rebooting this site, for a measly 500 members?

Is there a strategy in place that is designed to recruit new members and reenlist prior members?

Perhaps an email campaign?  

Just seems odd.  The expense and the post crash membership realities don't quite seem to be in alignment.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Muda69 said:

Do you volunteer to moderate such a subreddit?  Good luck.

 

If the GID went to being a paysite? Absolutely. 

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1 hour ago, indycoach10 said:

If the GID went to being a paysite? Absolutely. 

Again. I strongly disagree that GID conference thread followers will take their business elsewhere en masse were the GID to go pay only.  Just don't see it happening.  Look at the measley numbers we have here post crash.  People will throw in the towel rather than try to move their sub community to another site.  

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Lots of people in Gibson County read this site in-season...lots.  Probably mostly lurkers and even more that never even bother with a user name.  Making this a pay site will IMO kill that.  I continually hear from folks in the stands on Friday night that I am certain don't have a user name, "Hey, saw how you put those SIAC guys in their place on GID, that was awesome".  Multiple comments that indicate this web forum creates a dialogue around the state beyond what is actually typed into threads here.  That outside dialog is invaluable in terms of promoting our sport and my guess is exactly what Tim intended. 

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16 minutes ago, Titan32 said:

Lots of people in Gibson County read this site in-season...lots.  Probably mostly lurkers and even more that never even bother with a user name.  Making this a pay site will IMO kill that.  I continually hear from folks in the stands on Friday night that I am certain don't have a user name, "Hey, saw how you put those SIAC guys in their place on GID, that was awesome".  Multiple comments that indicate this web forum creates a dialogue around the state beyond what is actually typed into threads here.  That outside dialog is invaluable in terms of promoting our sport and my guess is exactly what Tim intended. 

Ditto ... I've often heard folks quote something from GID and share it with folks in the stands.  Those comments range from stats, to general info about teams/players, to direct quotes from GID posters going after each other.  It certainly contributes to the bigger community beyond the online community.

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2 hours ago, DT said:

Why would the GID brass go to all that trouble, and all that expense,  replacing a server and rebooting this site, for a measly 500 members?

I assume that the "GID brass" did it for the same reason I volunteer to coach youth football, serve on youth organization boards and to work varsity games on Friday nights; they love this game and believe in its value.

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33 minutes ago, DT said:

Again. I strongly disagree that GID conference thread followers will take their business elsewhere en masse were the GID to go pay only.  Just don't see it happening.  Look at the measley numbers we have here post crash.  People will throw in the towel rather than try to move their sub community to another site.  

I'd be curious of what the typical offseason dropoff is vs. the post shutdown dropoff. If memory serves right, the site usually falls drastically in traffic during the off season and picks way back up during the season. So, these "measley" numbers could just be a product of the offseason as much as the post crash, or both. 

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2 hours ago, Bonecrusher said:

Lots of interesting debate and valid points for the pros & cons of going to a pay site.  When I first found this forum I was a lurker, and now probably more of a topic guy than a conference thread guy since there's not much ACAC content here.  However I do post there and also on the SAC threads .

 

 

So the fact that I no longer live in Indiana, and that my kids have all graduated and are no longer playing, initially made it difficult for me to look favorably on this being a pay site - unless the forum was in danger of going away.  Since I've been around I really enjoy keeping up with a sport I love and how the schools I have interest in are doing.

No one is forcing me to visit this site.  If that were the case I'd be 100% against paying, be it forced or voluntary.  Rather, I'm here on my own will and choosing.  If I'm benefiting from information or services provided, which is the case, it only seems right to me to help out.  I believe if enough people were inclined to do this, there wouldn't be the need to even consider making it a pay site.  I'm on a couple football forums down here, and donate already.  Not sure why I never thought about it until now with this website.

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1 hour ago, indycoach10 said:

I'd be curious of what the typical offseason dropoff is vs. the post shutdown dropoff. If memory serves right, the site usually falls drastically in traffic during the off season and picks way back up during the season. So, these "measley" numbers could just be a product of the offseason as much as the post crash, or both. 

The bigger issue here is the current member count of 500 and whether or not it will recover to anywhere near pre crash levels

 

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I literally had 10 people reach out to me asking why their log ins do not work anymore in the last 2 weeks, they will get around to signing back in. 

Will it ever be the same as it once was during the heyday of the Holy Wars of GID, I would say probably not, why, as I have stated, the digital world we live in has transformed message boards from the go to place to the if I want to go to place.   The go to places are for information 1st has been Facebook, Twitter.   
 

Me personally speaking see ZERO issues.   

So lets say the forum stays at 500 members come August, then our community is 500 members, still will cost you $0.00  whether there was 500 members or 5000 members.  

FYI:   I am a twitter fella:   Have access to GID twitter account:   https://twitter.com/?logout=1549488372455

8000 followers :       Hmmmmmmmmm

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14 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:

I literally had 10 people reach out to me asking why their log ins do not work anymore in the last 2 weeks, they will get around to signing back in. 

Will it ever be the same as it once was during the heyday of the Holy Wars of GID, I would say probably not, why, as I have stated, the digital world we live in has transformed message boards from the go to place to the if I want to go to place.   The go to places are for information 1st has been Facebook, Twitter.   
 

Me personally speaking see ZERO issues.   

So lets say the forum stays at 500 members come August, then our community is 500 members, still will cost you $0.00  whether there was 500 members or 5000 members.  

FYI:   I am a twitter fella:   Have access to GID twitter account:   https://twitter.com/?logout=1549488372455

8000 followers :       Hmmmmmmmmm

Are they active?   

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8 hours ago, DT said:

Again. I strongly disagree that GID conference thread followers will take their business elsewhere en masse were the GID to go pay only.  Just don't see it happening.  Look at the measley numbers we have here post crash.  People will throw in the towel rather than try to move their sub community to another site.  

The measly numbers are to be expected. The site traffic goes down significantly in the off-season. I bet that a large amount of posters aren't even aware that the site even crashed and rebooted.

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8 hours ago, Bonecrusher said:

So the fact that I no longer live in Indiana, and that my kids have all graduated and are no longer playing, initially made it difficult for me to look favorably on this being a pay site - unless the forum was in danger of going away.  Since I've been around I really enjoy keeping up with a sport I love and how the schools I have interest in are doing.

No one is forcing me to visit this site.  If that were the case I'd be 100% against paying, be it forced or voluntary.  Rather, I'm here on my own will and choosing.  If I'm benefiting from information or services provided, which is the case, it only seems right to me to help out.  I believe if enough people were inclined to do this, there wouldn't be the need to even consider making it a pay site.  I'm on a couple football forums down here, and donate already.  Not sure why I never thought about it until now with this website.

I don't think there has been serious consideration to abandoning TA's desire to keep it a free site outside of a couple of personalities.  There is an annual drive for donations and, to my knowledge, it raises enough or close to enough to never make the serious thought of a pay site enter into the admins' minds.

1 hour ago, AG said:

The measly numbers are to be expected. The site traffic goes down significantly in the off-season. I bet that a large amount of posters aren't even aware that the site even crashed and rebooted.

Agreed.  You can sometimes see the ebb start as soon as some teams are eliminated from the post-season tourney and many mothball their accounts on Saturday night of the finals; especially if they didn't have a dog in the fight.  This is actually the second year that I think I remained active through to this point after the finals, but in the past, when football season was over, my time on GID fell off until usually August of the next season.  I spent the better part of at least six years on GID as a seasonal participant that then mothballed the account for about seven months a year.

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9 hours ago, foxbat said:

I don't think there has been serious consideration to abandoning TA's desire to keep it a free site outside of a couple of personalities.  There is an annual drive for donations and, to my knowledge, it raises enough or close to enough to never make the serious thought of a pay site enter into the admins' minds.

Agreed.  You can sometimes see the ebb start as soon as some teams are eliminated from the post-season tourney and many mothball their accounts on Saturday night of the finals; especially if they didn't have a dog in the fight.  This is actually the second year that I think I remained active through to this point after the finals, but in the past, when football season was over, my time on GID fell off until usually August of the next season.  I spent the better part of at least six years on GID as a seasonal participant that then mothballed the account for about seven months a year.

I normally check out the forum twice a week or so in the deep off-season, which I consider around now until July when the season is right around the corner. I'm normally active in the out of bounds section year round. 

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On 2/1/2019 at 2:05 PM, DT said:

There is no attempt here to storm the gates, conduct a military coup, or otherwise overthrow the braintrust of The GID.

I simply see this point in time as a pivot point for The Digest.

Given the shutdown, significant loss of membership, and new cost burdens associated with the hardware and software makeovers, all options should be considered.

Should the site go the pay route, I would consider being an investor, as long as there is potential ROI to be realized at some point.

But that takes strategic business and marketing oriented thinking, which I have in abundant supply.

Just my 2 cents worth.  I figure after 15 years and tens of thousands of posts, I've earned the right.  😀

 

 

How many of those tens of thousands are QUALITY posts?  I'd guess maybe 19 or 20.  I've been a free-loader the last 3 or 4 years. I'd be willing to contribute $10/year for seasonal coverage, July-Dec.

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10 minutes ago, Staxawax said:

How many of those tens of thousands are QUALITY posts?  I'd guess maybe 19 or 20. 

How do you personally define a post as a QUALITY post?

 

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I got to tell ya this whole Muda and DT against the world in some sort of unholy alliance is making my skin crawl just a little bit.  :classic_laugh:

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21 hours ago, Coach Nowlin said:

I literally had 10 people reach out to me asking why their log ins do not work anymore in the last 2 weeks, they will get around to signing back in. 

Will it ever be the same as it once was during the heyday of the Holy Wars of GID, I would say probably not, why, as I have stated, the digital world we live in has transformed message boards from the go to place to the if I want to go to place.   The go to places are for information 1st has been Facebook, Twitter.   
 

Me personally speaking see ZERO issues.   

So lets say the forum stays at 500 members come August, then our community is 500 members, still will cost you $0.00  whether there was 500 members or 5000 members.  

FYI:   I am a twitter fella:   Have access to GID twitter account:   https://twitter.com/?logout=1549488372455

8000 followers :       Hmmmmmmmmm

I have faith that GID Nation will be back in full force this upcoming season.

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What's the link to that site?

1 hour ago, Impartial_Observer said:

How active are the posters on your pay site?

 

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2 hours ago, Impartial_Observer said:

How active are the posters on your pay site?

Why do you keep downstroking me Muda? The market sorted it out, I thought you were a capitalist?

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3 minutes ago, Impartial_Observer said:

Why do you keep downstroking me Muda? The market sorted it out, I thought you were a capitalist?

Response shaming you?  😂

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17 hours ago, foxbat said:

You can sometimes see the ebb start as soon as some teams are eliminated from the post-season tourney

This is the case for most. However, I JOINED the site the week after my school was eliminated............and promptly made a fool of myself. 

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