Wide Open 6A

[Staxawax]

   It's this time of year that Sagarin starts to gain accuracy.  Notice the top ten teams.  5 HCC and 5 MIC.  (Bold teams are still alive in the tournament)  After last Friday I don't think anyone can argue the strength of these 2 conferences this year.  Sagarin is the only poll that continues all the way through to the championships.  So, each week if you beat a team rated better, you move up.  Even if you are done with the season, you can move down if your SOS goes down.

Stock up/down games this Friday:

Crown Point with an upset of Merrillville could move up 5-7 spots.

Carroll has the best opportunity with a win over Homestead.  Carroll is undervalued and Homestead is apparently trying to find a running back?

Zionsville would most certainly jump into the top ten with an upset.

Southport has a herculean task ahead in Ben Davis.  A win would duplicate Crown Point's opportunity.

If the favorites all win Saturday, expect the gap between #2 and #3 to close.  But their places will remain the same. I expect Avon to eventually drop down a couple of spots as teams they play are knocked out.  By Thanksgiving weekend Sagarin will be looking pretty accurate.

 

Teams that finish well should start out well week #1 next fall.

 

CLASS 6A
CLASS RANK	STATE RANK	TEAM	OVERALL RATING	SCHEDULE STRENGTH RANK		RECENT RATING   RANK		PREDICTOR RATING   RANK
1	1	Avon	109.03	93.86	5	109.44	1	107.60	2
2	2	Brownsburg	108.30	95.10	2	108.50	2	108.56	1
3	3	Carmel	101.58	90.79	13	103.84	3	101.55	3
4	5	Warren Central	98.87	92.66	11	96.06	10	98.47	6
5	7	Westfield	98.50	92.12	12	99.45	5	99.31	5
6	9	Fishers	97.97	93.54	8	93.73	13	97.40	8
7	10	Hamilton Southeastern	97.08	94.39	4	97.29	9	97.67	7
8	11	Ben Davis	96.94	93.58	6	98.33	7	96.83	11
9	12	Center Grove	95.87	92.70	10	95.06	11	97.10	10
10	14	North Central (Indianapolis)	94.29	94.46	3	91.95	15	94.52	13
11	15	Merrillville	90.83	70.85	25	92.41	14	89.65	16
12	16	Homestead	89.46	60.80	64	90.65	16	88.03	17
13	17	Lawrence North	89.07	88.08	16	87.62	18	92.72	15
14	18	Lafayette Jeff	88.43	58.57	71	88.45	17	87.68	18
15	19	Zionsville	86.26	89.66	15	86.58	19	86.60	20
16	20	Lawrence Central	85.17	93.20	9	83.22	25	87.19	19
17	23	Franklin Central	84.72	90.33	14	84.10	22	83.96	24
18	27	Penn	81.90	70.15	26	83.10	26	80.85	29
19	32	Pike	79.04	93.56	7	75.27	43	81.87	26
20	37	Noblesville	78.04	97.50	1	78.37	34	78.46	36
21	38	Fort Wayne Snider	77.25	61.64	59	73.85	47	79.35	32
22	39	Carroll (Fort Wayne)	77.16	61.64	60	78.13	35	76.72	41
23	44	Chesterton	75.12	69.56	30	73.67	49	75.93	42
24	45	Warsaw	74.50	62.17	54	76.94	40	72.93	53
25	47	Columbus East	74.29	48.84	114	73.86	46	74.11	48
26	48	Columbus North	73.81	72.32	21	71.21	57	75.48	43
27	49	Southport	73.79	66.61	41	73.23	50	73.39	51
28	55	Crown Point	71.27	65.20	47	72.60	53	71.22	58
29	90	Indianapolis Tech	60.03	53.18	96	58.87	94	60.96	87
30	97	Lake Central	58.54	69.75	27	58.88	93	58.35	97
31	98	Portage	57.91	73.94	20	55.38	108	59.46	93
32	144	Perry Meridian	45.99	75.29	18	45.14	148	46.75	141

[Staxawax]

   It's this time of year that Sagarin starts to gain accuracy.  Notice the top ten teams.  5 HCC and 5 MIC.  (Bold teams are still alive in the tournament)  After last Friday I don't think anyone can argue the strength of these 2 conferences this year.  Sagarin is the only poll that continues all the way through to the championships.  So, each week if you beat a team rated better, you move up.  Even if you are done with the season, you can move down if your SOS goes down.

Stock up/down games this Friday:

Crown Point with an upset of Merrillville could move up 5-7 spots.

Carroll has the best opportunity with a win over Homestead.  Carroll is undervalued and Homestead is apparently trying to find a running back?

Zionsville would most certainly jump into the top ten with an upset.

Southport has a herculean task ahead in Ben Davis.  A win would duplicate Crown Point's opportunity.

If the favorites all win Saturday, expect the gap between #2 and #3 to close.  But their places will remain the same. I expect Avon to eventually drop down a couple of spots as teams they play are knocked out.  By Thanksgiving weekend Sagarin will be looking pretty accurate.

 

Teams that finish well should start out well week #1 next fall.

 

CLASS 6A
CLASS RANK	STATE RANK	TEAM	OVERALL RATING	SCHEDULE STRENGTH RANK		RECENT RATING   RANK		PREDICTOR RATING   RANK
1	1	Avon	109.03	93.86	5	109.44	1	107.60	2
2	2	Brownsburg	108.30	95.10	2	108.50	2	108.56	1
3	3	Carmel	101.58	90.79	13	103.84	3	101.55	3
4	5	Warren Central	98.87	92.66	11	96.06	10	98.47	6
5	7	Westfield	98.50	92.12	12	99.45	5	99.31	5
6	9	Fishers	97.97	93.54	8	93.73	13	97.40	8
7	10	Hamilton Southeastern	97.08	94.39	4	97.29	9	97.67	7
8	11	Ben Davis	96.94	93.58	6	98.33	7	96.83	11
9	12	Center Grove	95.87	92.70	10	95.06	11	97.10	10
10	14	North Central (Indianapolis)	94.29	94.46	3	91.95	15	94.52	13
11	15	Merrillville	90.83	70.85	25	92.41	14	89.65	16
12	16	Homestead	89.46	60.80	64	90.65	16	88.03	17
13	17	Lawrence North	89.07	88.08	16	87.62	18	92.72	15
14	18	Lafayette Jeff	88.43	58.57	71	88.45	17	87.68	18
15	19	Zionsville	86.26	89.66	15	86.58	19	86.60	20
16	20	Lawrence Central	85.17	93.20	9	83.22	25	87.19	19
17	23	Franklin Central	84.72	90.33	14	84.10	22	83.96	24
18	27	Penn	81.90	70.15	26	83.10	26	80.85	29
19	32	Pike	79.04	93.56	7	75.27	43	81.87	26
20	37	Noblesville	78.04	97.50	1	78.37	34	78.46	36
21	38	Fort Wayne Snider	77.25	61.64	59	73.85	47	79.35	32
22	39	Carroll (Fort Wayne)	77.16	61.64	60	78.13	35	76.72	41
23	44	Chesterton	75.12	69.56	30	73.67	49	75.93	42
24	45	Warsaw	74.50	62.17	54	76.94	40	72.93	53
25	47	Columbus East	74.29	48.84	114	73.86	46	74.11	48
26	48	Columbus North	73.81	72.32	21	71.21	57	75.48	43
27	49	Southport	73.79	66.61	41	73.23	50	73.39	51
28	55	Crown Point	71.27	65.20	47	72.60	53	71.22	58
29	90	Indianapolis Tech	60.03	53.18	96	58.87	94	60.96	87
30	97	Lake Central	58.54	69.75	27	58.88	93	58.35	97
31	98	Portage	57.91	73.94	20	55.38	108	59.46	93
32	144	Perry Meridian	45.99	75.29	18	45.14	148	46.75	141

[Staxawax]

   It's this time of year that Sagarin starts to gain accuracy.  Notice the top ten teams.  5 HCC and 5 MIC.  (Bold teams are still alive in the tournament)  After last Friday I don't think anyone can argue the strength of these 2 conferences this year.  Sagarin is the only poll that continues all the way through to the championships.  So, each week if you beat a team rated better, you move up.  Even if you are done with the season, you can move down if your SOS goes down.

Stock up/down games this Friday:

Crown Point with an upset of Merrillville could move up 5-7 spots.

Carroll has the best opportunity with a win over Homestead.  Carroll is undervalued and Homestead is apparently trying to find a running back?

Zionsville would most certainly jump into the top ten with an upset.

Southport has a herculean task ahead in Ben Davis.  A win would duplicate Crown Point's opportunity.

If the favorites all win Saturday, expect the gap between #2 and #3 to close.  But their places will remain the same. I expect Avon to eventually drop down a couple of spots as teams they play are knocked out.  By Thanksgiving weekend Sagarin will be looking pretty accurate.

 

Teams that finish well should start out well week #1 next fall.

 

CLASS 6A
CLASS RANK	STATE RANK	TEAM	OVERALL RATING	SCHEDULE STRENGTH RANK		RECENT RATING   RANK		PREDICTOR RATING   RANK
1	1	Avon	109.03	93.86	5	109.44	1	107.60	2
2	2	Brownsburg	108.30	95.10	2	108.50	2	108.56	1
3	3	Carmel	101.58	90.79	13	103.84	3	101.55	3
4	5	Warren Central	98.87	92.66	11	96.06	10	98.47	6
5	7	Westfield	98.50	92.12	12	99.45	5	99.31	5
6	9	Fishers	97.97	93.54	8	93.73	13	97.40	8
7	10	Hamilton Southeastern	97.08	94.39	4	97.29	9	97.67	7
8	11	Ben Davis	96.94	93.58	6	98.33	7	96.83	11
9	12	Center Grove	95.87	92.70	10	95.06	11	97.10	10
10	14	North Central (Indianapolis)	94.29	94.46	3	91.95	15	94.52	13
11	15	Merrillville	90.83	70.85	25	92.41	14	89.65	16
12	16	Homestead	89.46	60.80	64	90.65	16	88.03	17
13	17	Lawrence North	89.07	88.08	16	87.62	18	92.72	15
14	18	Lafayette Jeff	88.43	58.57	71	88.45	17	87.68	18
15	19	Zionsville	86.26	89.66	15	86.58	19	86.60	20
16	20	Lawrence Central	85.17	93.20	9	83.22	25	87.19	19
17	23	Franklin Central	84.72	90.33	14	84.10	22	83.96	24
18	27	Penn	81.90	70.15	26	83.10	26	80.85	29
19	32	Pike	79.04	93.56	7	75.27	43	81.87	26
20	37	Noblesville	78.04	97.50	1	78.37	34	78.46	36
21	38	Fort Wayne Snider	77.25	61.64	59	73.85	47	79.35	32
22	39	Carroll (Fort Wayne)	77.16	61.64	60	78.13	35	76.72	41
23	44	Chesterton	75.12	69.56	30	73.67	49	75.93	42
24	45	Warsaw	74.50	62.17	54	76.94	40	72.93	53
25	47	Columbus East	74.29	48.84	114	73.86	46	74.11	48
26	48	Columbus North	73.81	72.32	21	71.21	57	75.48	43
27	49	Southport	73.79	66.61	41	73.23	50	73.39	51
28	55	Crown Point	71.27	65.20	47	72.60	53	71.22	58
29	90	Indianapolis Tech	60.03	53.18	96	58.87	94	60.96	87
30	97	Lake Central	58.54	69.75	27	58.88	93	58.35	97
31	98	Portage	57.91	73.94	20	55.38	108	59.46	93
32	144	Perry Meridian	45.99	75.29	18	45.14	148	46.75	141

[Guest]

Good stuff.

Good stuff.

Good stuff.

[Staxawax]

16 minutes ago, Temptation said:

Good stuff.

Good stuff.

Good stuff.

Yeah, I'm hoping someone fixes that!

[BTF]

12 hours ago, GOLDRUSH1985 said:

Are people forgetting about Merrillville ?  The Pirates just beat a Jeff team who beat Lawrence Central . Carmel only beat LC by 2 scores . I believe Merrillville would at least give Carmel a good game if it happened . 

Hopefully. I'd love to see Merrillville get their first state title since 1976. 

[Just A Fan]

53 minutes ago, BTF said:

Hopefully. I'd love to see Merrillville get their first state title since 1976. 

I saw Merrillville play this summer at Brownsburg, they are not bad, and Brownsburg beat them pretty solidly, I know its summer but still beat them.  But Lawrence Central is 2-8 and I am sure Carmel played alot of kids and didn't run up the score, Probably wanted to keep kids and team healthy before sectionals. Id say Brownsburg isnt getting any love for beating the #1 team in the State. and they were ranked 8th in the AP Poll and 6th in the Coaches Poll, so no love there for Brownsburg.

[GOLDRUSH1985]

9 hours ago, Route2andholtz said:

Not sure why everyone is so high on Homestead.  If they would have handled Noblesville, it may have changed my mind.  

Merrillville on the other hand is hit or miss. Just watch the Valpo game. Yes Valpo did win that game but, if your gonna give Carmel a game you can’t give up 19 unanswered points in the 4th.  Carmel is too good, deep and disciplined.  

Valpo is currently #2 in 5A and could be top 5 regardless of class. They are much improved over last years team that lost to Carmel 14-10. Merrillville barely losing to Valpo this year tells me the pirates are pretty good. 

[Lysander]

1 hour ago, GOLDRUSH1985 said:

Valpo is currently #2 in 5A and could be top 5 regardless of class. They are much improved over last years team that lost to Carmel 14-10. Merrillville barely losing to Valpo this year tells me the pirates are pretty good. 

No doubt Valpo is good but other than simply stating they are Top 5 regardless of class on what basis do you support that statement?  

Calpreps/Maxpreps puts them 10th.  Sagarin puts them 13th.  Their schedule is ranked 48th - so is not as if they are undefeated playing a bruising schedule.

If every team people claimed was easily Top 5 regardless of class actually were we would have at least 30+ Top 5 teams.

Like most any year, 6A is going to be won by a school within 10 minutes of 465.  

 

 

Edited November 5, 2019 by Lysander

[psaboy]

5 hours ago, Staxawax said:

   It's this time of year that Sagarin starts to gain accuracy.  Notice the top ten teams.  5 HCC and 5 MIC.  (Bold teams are still alive in the tournament)  After last Friday I don't think anyone can argue the strength of these 2 conferences this year.  Sagarin is the only poll that continues all the way through to the championships.  So, each week if you beat a team rated better, you move up.  Even if you are done with the season, you can move down if your SOS goes down.

Stock up/down games this Friday:

Crown Point with an upset of Merrillville could move up 5-7 spots.

Carroll has the best opportunity with a win over Homestead.  Carroll is undervalued and Homestead is apparently trying to find a running back?

Zionsville would most certainly jump into the top ten with an upset.

Southport has a herculean task ahead in Ben Davis.  A win would duplicate Crown Point's opportunity.

If the favorites all win Saturday, expect the gap between #2 and #3 to close.  But their places will remain the same. I expect Avon to eventually drop down a couple of spots as teams they play are knocked out.  By Thanksgiving weekend Sagarin will be looking pretty accurate.

 

Teams that finish well should start out well week #1 next fall.

 

CLASS 6A
CLASS RANK	STATE RANK	TEAM	OVERALL RATING	SCHEDULE STRENGTH RANK		RECENT RATING   RANK		PREDICTOR RATING   RANK
1	1	Avon	109.03	93.86	5	109.44	1	107.60	2
2	2	Brownsburg	108.30	95.10	2	108.50	2	108.56	1
3	3	Carmel	101.58	90.79	13	103.84	3	101.55	3
4	5	Warren Central	98.87	92.66	11	96.06	10	98.47	6
5	7	Westfield	98.50	92.12	12	99.45	5	99.31	5
6	9	Fishers	97.97	93.54	8	93.73	13	97.40	8
7	10	Hamilton Southeastern	97.08	94.39	4	97.29	9	97.67	7
8	11	Ben Davis	96.94	93.58	6	98.33	7	96.83	11
9	12	Center Grove	95.87	92.70	10	95.06	11	97.10	10
10	14	North Central (Indianapolis)	94.29	94.46	3	91.95	15	94.52	13
11	15	Merrillville	90.83	70.85	25	92.41	14	89.65	16
12	16	Homestead	89.46	60.80	64	90.65	16	88.03	17
13	17	Lawrence North	89.07	88.08	16	87.62	18	92.72	15
14	18	Lafayette Jeff	88.43	58.57	71	88.45	17	87.68	18
15	19	Zionsville	86.26	89.66	15	86.58	19	86.60	20
16	20	Lawrence Central	85.17	93.20	9	83.22	25	87.19	19
17	23	Franklin Central	84.72	90.33	14	84.10	22	83.96	24
18	27	Penn	81.90	70.15	26	83.10	26	80.85	29
19	32	Pike	79.04	93.56	7	75.27	43	81.87	26
20	37	Noblesville	78.04	97.50	1	78.37	34	78.46	36
21	38	Fort Wayne Snider	77.25	61.64	59	73.85	47	79.35	32
22	39	Carroll (Fort Wayne)	77.16	61.64	60	78.13	35	76.72	41
23	44	Chesterton	75.12	69.56	30	73.67	49	75.93	42
24	45	Warsaw	74.50	62.17	54	76.94	40	72.93	53
25	47	Columbus East	74.29	48.84	114	73.86	46	74.11	48
26	48	Columbus North	73.81	72.32	21	71.21	57	75.48	43
27	49	Southport	73.79	66.61	41	73.23	50	73.39	51
28	55	Crown Point	71.27	65.20	47	72.60	53	71.22	58
29	90	Indianapolis Tech	60.03	53.18	96	58.87	94	60.96	87
30	97	Lake Central	58.54	69.75	27	58.88	93	58.35	97
31	98	Portage	57.91	73.94	20	55.38	108	59.46	93
32	144	Perry Meridian	45.99	75.29	18	45.14	148	46.75	141

I think it still needs some form of adjustment. How can Carroll be below Snider after losing by 1 point and then beating them by 11?? I would add that Penn is rated too high, other than Valpo, they didn't play anyone that really counts, maybe New Prairie??

[BTF]

19 minutes ago, psaboy said:

I think it still needs some form of adjustment. How can Carroll be below Snider after losing by 1 point and then beating them by 11?? I would add that Penn is rated too high, other than Valpo, they didn't play anyone that really counts, maybe New Prairie??

Snider beat common opponents by a wider margin. They both lost to Dwenger by 7. And Snider came closer to beating Homestead than Carroll did. I actually like the Sagarin Ratings come sectional championship time. It's probably even more accurate this year with the addition of the Mercy Rule. 

[NLCTigerFan07]

39 minutes ago, psaboy said:

I think it still needs some form of adjustment. How can Carroll be below Snider after losing by 1 point and then beating them by 11?? I would add that Penn is rated too high, other than Valpo, they didn't play anyone that really counts, maybe New Prairie??

I mean... they also played (and beat) both Elkhart Central (9-2) and Mishawaka (7-3) who square off in 5A Sectional 10 championship Friday night.

[Staxawax]

1 hour ago, psaboy said:

I think it still needs some form of adjustment. How can Carroll be below Snider after losing by 1 point and then beating them by 11?? I would add that Penn is rated too high, other than Valpo, they didn't play anyone that really counts, maybe New Prairie??

Did you choose to not read my comment that Carroll is undervalued? 
Besides, thanks to Homestead’s near disaster @Noblesville the league needs to rethink it’s inclusive scheduling. 
Crap, I’m going all DT again. 

[Route2andholtz]

8 hours ago, Staxawax said:

Did you choose to not read my comment that Carroll is undervalued? 
Besides, thanks to Homestead’s near disaster @Noblesville the league needs to rethink it’s inclusive scheduling. 
Crap, I’m going all DT again. 

I couldn’t agree more. If they want to compete with Indy schools they have to get away from the inclusive scheduling. Hurts them more then what people think.  

[Guest]

9 hours ago, Staxawax said:

Did you choose to not read my comment that Carroll is undervalued? 
Besides, thanks to Homestead’s near disaster @Noblesville the league needs to rethink it’s inclusive scheduling. 
Crap, I’m going all DT again. 

Can anyone more familiar with the situation remind me the reasoning for Homestead's move to the SAC?  Was it to be more competitive state wide and prepare for the tournament?  I assume they are a growing district.

Sorry for being a novice.

[Boilernation]

30 minutes ago, Temptation said:

Can anyone more familiar with the situation remind me the reasoning for Homestead's move to the SAC?  Was it to be more competitive state wide and prepare for the tournament?  I assume they are a growing district.

Sorry for being a novice.

The smaller schools of the now defunct Northeast Hoosier wanted to part ways with Carroll and Homestead. Those schools joined Huntington North to form the Northeast 8. I'm guessing it was either SAC or independent for both Homestead and Carroll.

 

[Da Region]

14 hours ago, GOLDRUSH1985 said:

Valpo is currently #2 in 5A and could be top 5 regardless of class. They are much improved over last years team that lost to Carmel 14-10. Merrillville barely losing to Valpo this year tells me the pirates are pretty good. 

Merrillville is a good football team, balanced and very talented. Their main issue is self inflicted mistakes. If they can reduce the number of turnovers and penalties, they may have a shot. I would like to see them play clean game, just hasn't happened.

[Justasportsfan]

2 hours ago, Route2andholtz said:

I couldn’t agree more. If they want to compete with Indy schools they have to get away from the inclusive scheduling. Hurts them more then what people think.  

They did have 2 slots on the schedule open before adding Carroll n homestead..the teams that consistently made deeper playoff runs still had about the same outcome as before. Getting beat by Penn twice or whomever is slated out of conference really held no direct competitive advantage. That being said (wrote)..yes seeing the talent Indy schools bring to the field does open eyes..after you've seen it once or twice you know what to expect..some teams who don't win sectionals on the regular might take a year or two to understand that..

[BLKnights7]

2 hours ago, Temptation said:

Can anyone more familiar with the situation remind me the reasoning for Homestead's move to the SAC?  Was it to be more competitive state wide and prepare for the tournament?  I assume they are a growing district.

Sorry for being a novice.

Smaller schools in the old conference wanted to move on. I thought I heard that Carroll wanted to move to the sac for quite some time but homestead was the one fighting it.  Both school districts are growing like crazy, with new housing subdivisions being added like crazy. Homestead will start remodeling the school next year as Carroll finished a remodel in the last 6 years or so. Wouldn't surprise me to see a new highschool built sooner than later to help offset student numbers.

[BTF]

3 hours ago, Boilernation said:

The smaller schools of the now defunct Northeast Hoosier wanted to part ways with Carroll and Homestead. Those schools joined Huntington North to form the Northeast 8. I'm guessing it was either SAC or independent for both Homestead and Carroll.

 

The SAC made sense. Homestead and Carroll are both comprised of kids who reside within Fort Wayne city limits. There are basically ten football teams in Fort Wayne, the addition of Homestead and Carroll made the SAC a ten team conference. They had ten teams up until 2010 when Elmhurst shut down. Harding followed in 2011. It made for some great match-ups for sure. But in the end, a ten team conference makes scheduling "easy." Ease of scheduling is more important to FWCS than preparation for the football tournament. 

Homestead and Carroll have shown improvement in their football programs since joining the SAC. Playing the likes of Snider, Dwenger, and Luers have brought their programs up a notch. It's not they they weren't ever good, it's just that they were playing down in competition as part of the NHC. After five years in the SAC, I'm starting to feel like the gap between Snider/Dwenger and Homestead/Carroll has closed. And it appears that it could be the trend. Look for Carroll to be the favorite next year to win the SAC.

[GOLDRUSH1985]

17 hours ago, Lysander said:

No doubt Valpo is good but other than simply stating they are Top 5 regardless of class on what basis do you support that statement?  

Calpreps/Maxpreps puts them 10th.  Sagarin puts them 13th.  Their schedule is ranked 48th - so is not as if they are undefeated playing a bruising schedule.

If every team people claimed was easily Top 5 regardless of class actually were we would have at least 30+ Top 5 teams.

Like most any year, 6A is going to be won by a school within 10 minutes of 465.  

I said they could be top 5 . If they take out New Pal/Cathedral and win 5A , they would be a top 5 team .

 

 

[Lysander]

1 hour ago, GOLDRUSH1985 said:

If they take out New Pal/Cathedral and win 5A, they would be a top 5 team.

I’m down with that.

[BTF]

1 hour ago, Lysander said:

I’m down with that.

The winner in 5A could make a claim as the best team in the entire state. The top 5 teams in 5A, in my opinion, could give the top 5 in 6A a run for their money. There is no comparison in 6 through 32.................5A would get manhandled. 

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3 minutes ago, BTF said:

The winner in 5A could make a claim as the best team in the entire state. The top 5 teams in 5A, in my opinion, could give the top 5 in 6A a run for their money. There is no comparison in 6 through 32.................5A would get manhandled. 

I think the drop off after the top 2-3 in 5A is much larger than you are estimating.  It’s New Pal, Cathedral and then everybody else.  Dwenger and Valpo are the only other two I’d consider and they’ll most likely get their chance in the coming weeks.  If I’m wrong (which I haven’t been yet when it comes to debating with you) I’ll be the first one on here to admit it.

I’ve been a staunch critic of 6A more so than anyone, but let’s not underestimate the fact that they are double/triple the size of the top 5A schools in most cases.

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12 minutes ago, BTF said:

The winner in 5A could make a claim as the best team in the entire state. The top 5 teams in 5A, in my opinion, could give the top 5 in 6A a run for their money. There is no comparison in 6 through 32.................5A would get manhandled. 

Agree with Temptation on this.  You’ve got 2 teams in 5A as good as anyone in the State.  I think Valpo might well be there, also.  Jury is out on Dwenger.  Need to see them play more non-SAC teams.  Big drop-off after that.