Titan76 Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 If there is a personal foul on team B after team a fails PAT. Is it first and goal from the twenty five or is it first and ten from the twenty five? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Bobref Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 Just now, Titan76 said: If there is a personal foul on team B after team a fails PAT. Is it first and goal from the twenty five or is it first and ten from the twenty five? Are you talking about overtime? If so, it would be 1st and goal from the 25 yd. line. In OT, the line to gain is always the goal line. No exceptions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 JustRules Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 54 minutes ago, Bobref said: Are you talking about overtime? If so, it would be 1st and goal from the 25 yd. line. In OT, the line to gain is always the goal line. No exceptions. Except in the instance of a playoff game last year when the crew went 1st and 10 from the 25. The team scored 7 plays later and won the game. I know the crew was devastated after the game when they realized their error and were not able to work a later playoff game they were scheduled to work. It's one thing to make a judgement error in a split second because those are subjective and not everyone will agree either way. To make a rules application error when you have plenty of time to think through it and get it right is hard to justify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Bobref Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 1 hour ago, JustRules said: Except in the instance of a playoff game last year when the crew went 1st and 10 from the 25. The team scored 7 plays later and won the game. I know the crew was devastated after the game when they realized their error and were not able to work a later playoff game they were scheduled to work. It's one thing to make a judgement error in a split second because those are subjective and not everyone will agree either way. To make a rules application error when you have plenty of time to think through it and get it right is hard to justify. Yes, it’s especially hard to understand how 5 officials missed it. A crew is a team, and penalty enforcement falls on every member of the team. It only would have taken 1 crew member to speak up and save the crew. But too many officials turn their brains off and just leave penalty enforcement to the guy in the white hat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Huge Football Fan Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Bobref said: Yes, it’s especially hard to understand how 5 officials missed it. A crew is a team, and penalty enforcement falls on every member of the team. It only would have taken 1 crew member to speak up and save the crew. But too many officials turn their brains off and just leave penalty enforcement to the guy in the white hat. Penalty enforcement needs a lot of help. Way to many obvious mistakes made Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Bobref Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 30 minutes ago, Huge Football Fan said: Penalty enforcement needs a lot of help. Way to many obvious mistakes made Penalty enforcement is black and white. There’s no judgment involved. You either get it right or you get it wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 JustRules Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 10 hours ago, Bobref said: Yes, it’s especially hard to understand how 5 officials missed it. A crew is a team, and penalty enforcement falls on every member of the team. It only would have taken 1 crew member to speak up and save the crew. But too many officials turn their brains off and just leave penalty enforcement to the guy in the white hat. A couple of them thought it was wrong at the time but they weren't certain enough to step up. As you know one of the challenges is remembering something if you never do it! I've been officiating about 20 years, and It think I've been a part of 3 or 4 OT games. Two of them were the same season. You can talk about something and read something 100 times, but until you experience it, it doesn't always commit to memory. That's not an excuse, but it does help people understand WHY it happens. It's not an intentional error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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If there is a personal foul on team B after team a fails PAT. Is it first and goal from the twenty five or is it first and ten from the twenty five?
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