slice60 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 Surprising that CC is a 2A program (34th biggest enrollment in 2A, so not even near the bottom) but unable to get more kids to play. But as they say, success breeds success. Only 16 wins in 13 seasons certainly doesn't attract kids to join the program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorfan Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Tanka Jahari said: Oh wow! Thanks for sharing that information. So judging by the information you shared, you are a troll and this post is an attempt at trolling. Well done forum troll! You're just upset because he is not referencing end-zone cameras or flatulence 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muda69 Posted November 7, 2019 Author Share Posted November 7, 2019 2 hours ago, ajames4 said: How do you propose the golf or cross country teams profit from the meets? Since football and basketball programs are generally the only ones to generate a profit should they be the only ECAs allowed to exist? The hell with band, robotics, chess, dance, math, knowledge bowl, etc? Why shouldn't extra-curricular activities be expected to support themselves on their own merits? There are more ways raise funds than "profit from the meets". 1 hour ago, Tanka Jahari said: Oh wow! Thanks for sharing that information. So judging by the information you shared, you are a troll and this post is an attempt at trolling. Well done forum troll! You are welcome, my young Padawan. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach_K Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 35 minutes ago, slice60 said: Surprising that CC is a 2A program (34th biggest enrollment in 2A, so not even near the bottom) but unable to get more kids to play. But as they say, success breeds success. Only 16 wins in 13 seasons certainly doesn't attract kids to join the program. I understand your point, however I am not sure it has so much to do with success as it does survival. Remember we are talking about the poorest county in the state, where undoubtedly many students have to work to help pay the bills or to buy the goods they want (i.e. a car, clothes, cell phone, etc.). I knew a student at my former school who never played a sport because he had to help pay the bills. It is unfortunate, but these families do exist and it affects more than just the sport teams. Student grades and college/trade school opportunities are hurt because a student doesn't have the "basic" skills. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JQWL Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 43 minutes ago, slice60 said: Surprising that CC is a 2A program (34th biggest enrollment in 2A, so not even near the bottom) but unable to get more kids to play. But as they say, success breeds success. Only 16 wins in 13 seasons certainly doesn't attract kids to join the program. That's part of the issue but not by any means THE ISSUE. The story really doesn't get into other sports but the boys could barely field a cross country team, the band can barely field a Band or whatever. The boys basketball went to the state finals in 2017 and the next year had only 16 kids come out. And so on and so on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slice60 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 Very good points by Coach K & JQWL. When you learn about football programs with numbers so low they cannot field a team, I tend to think of the smallest of the small schools. This isn't the case for Crawford Co & you both pointed out several reasons why it's happening at CC & elsewhere too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarshallCounty Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 Some students in county schools don't have the transportation to get back and forth from practice. The bus ride is the only way to get from point a to point b. This could contribute to students opting out of participating. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impartial_Observer Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 8 hours ago, Tanka Jahari said: On a scale ranging from spaghetti noodle to granite counter top, how hard were you when you posted this article? Please be honest Sir. Post of the year! 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbat Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 9 hours ago, Muda69 said: ? I don't understand the question. Maybe @Coach Nowlin will need to revive a lost thread from crashed GID forum ... 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanteEstonia Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 7 hours ago, MarshallCounty said: Some students in county schools don't have the transportation to get back and forth from practice. The bus ride is the only way to get from point a to point b. This could contribute to students opting out of participating. Pay for an activity bus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DT Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 I'm not going to watch a sappy video that is designed to convince bleeding hearts that the lives of these kids will be destroyed if their football is taken away from them Contraction is a key and vital tool that is needed to help maintain competitive balance Crawford County football meets all the contraction criteria. The program should be eliminated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastpacedO Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 8 hours ago, DT said: I'm not going to watch a sappy video that is designed to convince bleeding hearts that the lives of these kids will be destroyed if their football is taken away from them Contraction is a key and vital tool that is needed to help maintain competitive balance Crawford County football meets all the contraction criteria. The program should be eliminated I would expect no less from you than this heartless comment. I'm blessed to have never been in the situation that these kids or their parents have been in, and I'm sure you have been too. That doesn't mean everyone has been that fortunate. It does not matter if contraction is a key and vital tool needed to maintain competitive balance. Competitive balance has nothing to do with this situation. No the kids lives will not be destroyed, but playing sports is a good distraction from their daily life. It keeps them off the streets and busy doing something. Just my 2 cents. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sr1 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 8 hours ago, DT said: I'm not going to watch a sappy video that is designed to convince bleeding hearts that the lives of these kids will be destroyed if their football is taken away from them Contraction is a key and vital tool that is needed to help maintain competitive balance Crawford County football meets all the contraction criteria. The program should be eliminated The IHSAA does not list maintaining competitive balance as one of their purposes. Who besides yourself is concerned with this issue? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastpacedO Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 1 hour ago, sr1 said: The IHSAA does not list maintaining competitive balance as one of their purposes. Who besides yourself is concerned with this issue? Agreed! I don't see competitive balance mentioned anywhere in their purpose either. Actually I see this "The purpose of the IHSAA is to encourage and direct wholesome amateur athletics in the high schools of Indiana". Contraction is not encouragement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 No matter what level of football a player competes at, you play to win the game. But most importantly you prepare and practice to be a winner. For most kids football is a very small window of their lives. The impact it can have on the ability to endure and overcome obstacles is immense. I enjoy other sports, but I will never be convinced there is a better sport than football to encompass all things that life can throw at you. #GoWolfpack 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Nowlin Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 3 hours ago, sr1 said: The IHSAA does not list maintaining competitive balance as one of their purposes. Who besides yourself is concerned with this issue? 1 hour ago, FastpacedO said: Agreed! I don't see competitive balance mentioned anywhere in their purpose either. Actually I see this "The purpose of the IHSAA is to encourage and direct wholesome amateur athletics in the high schools of Indiana". Contraction is not encouragement. ALL OF THIS TIMES INFINITY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muda69 Posted November 8, 2019 Author Share Posted November 8, 2019 So 96-0 (never forget!) is "wholesome" amateur athletics? A 20+ game losing streak with no end in sight is "wholesome" amateur athletics? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impartial_Observer Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 19 minutes ago, Muda69 said: So 96-0 (never forget!) is "wholesome" amateur athletics? A 20+ game losing streak with no end in sight is "wholesome" amateur athletics? I'm pretty sure the players and coaches involved have probably moved on, perhaps you should too. 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muda69 Posted November 8, 2019 Author Share Posted November 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Impartial_Observer said: I'm pretty sure the players and coaches involved have probably moved on, perhaps you should too. You didn't answer the questions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Hawk Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Muda69 said: So 96-0 (never forget!) is "wholesome" amateur athletics? A 20+ game losing streak with no end in sight is "wholesome" amateur athletics? 22 hours ago, Hoosier Hawk said: You’ve been out of the loop for a loooong time haven’t you? Small schools with multiple sports programs are fundraising from the same small community year round from the same sources ALL. YEAR. Most people can only afford so much. I'll post this again since you want to talk about evading questions. Edited November 8, 2019 by Hoosier Hawk Quote 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanka Jahari Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 7 minutes ago, Muda69 said: You didn't answer the questions. The time has come Muda for me to deliver to you your daily piping hot flatus hoagie! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muda69 Posted November 8, 2019 Author Share Posted November 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, Hoosier Hawk said: Just now, Tanka Jahari said: The time has come Muda for me to deliver to you your daily piping hot flatus hoagie! *yawn* 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastpacedO Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 38 minutes ago, Muda69 said: So 96-0 (never forget!) is "wholesome" amateur athletics? A 20+ game losing streak with no end in sight is "wholesome" amateur athletics? Except Crawford County did get a win. Regardless of the outcome of their games. Being at practice through the week, at a game on a Friday night, etc is a lot better than running the streets, or worse case scenario a player developing an addiction to any number of drugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impartial_Observer Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Being discussed right now on Dakich's show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hhpatriot04 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Crawford County like Pike Central has a whole host of socioeconomic problems. Additionally, Crawford has zero football tradition and other fall sports like CC are regularly state final participants. Many schools in SW Indiana have strong athletic programs like Bare-Reeve and Loogootee and NE Dubois. Cooping makes a lot of sense in that part of the state. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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