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4 hours ago, SEAL_63 said:

Outside of a forced rotation through the smaller PAC schools, I can’t imagine the Big 8 not being somewhat flexible to work this out. 

Jasper, VL, Boonville will desire a stronger conference schedule for sure. MV feels they are on the upswing after a 5-5 season last year. Princeton and Washington are the only unknowns, but Princeton already plays GS and, in my mind, would like a stronger schedule after adding Ev. North in 2018.

Unless, of course, the SIAC comes into play for 2 or 3 of the Big 8 schools...can’t rule that out.

I think adding Ev North makes for a weaker schedule. Bigger isn’t always better 😂

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7 hours ago, Titan32 said:

Is was much more than a week ago and frankly I am still shocked that some of the PAC schools would buy in.  That said once I received the additional information, I had to go with the facts...my “opinion” was simply wrong.  In terms of SR preferring the small division...I have heard this from multiple sources I believe to be reliable.  I could give two squats if you perceive me as credible or not.  If you have any ties to your own administration...I would encourage you do some investigation of your own.  We should much more in less than two weeks.

I was also told that Southridge requested the small school division, and that Southridge Superintendent is completely on board with this move.

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14 hours ago, Screagle said:

I think adding Ev North makes for a weaker schedule. Bigger isn’t always better 😂

You are correct. But North is a much bigger step up than Princeton’s previous opponent, Wood Memorial.

Whether that was by choice or not....

 My point is that I don’t see Princeton being afraid of an increase in SOS.

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10 minutes ago, SEAL_63 said:

You are correct. But North is a much bigger step up than Princeton’s previous opponent, Wood Memorial.

Whether that was by choice or not....

 My point is that I don’t see Princeton being afraid of an increase in SOS.

Agree...they are not afraid of an azz whoopin.

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1 hour ago, Titan32 said:

Agree...they are not afraid of an azz whoopin.

Yes. But will there be as many azz whoopins handed out by GS with VL and Jasper on the schedule?

 

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Seal 63. Not very familiar with VL football. What does the future look like?  

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8 hours ago, SEAL_63 said:

Yes. But will there be as many azz whoopins handed out by GS with VL and Jasper on the schedule?

 

Based on calpreps data below covering the Nick Hart era at GS, and (as a middle school coach) the intimate knowledge I have regarding what Vincennes and Jasper have in the pipeline, I would expect GS to have significantly fewer azz woopins as compared to Forest Park and Tell City and some real entertaining battles that should aid in preparation for post season.  That said, I feel really good about our chances regarding Ws vs Ls.

In 2018

GS 31 VL 27

GS 29 JHS 22

In 2017

GS 38 VL 28

GS 34 JHS 21

In 2016

GS 42 VL 14

GS 38 JHS 19

In 2015

GS 55 VL 14

GS 35 JHS 17

In 2014

GS 40 VL 26

GS 35 JHS 31

In 2013

GS 49 VL 8

GS 28 JHS 27

In 2012

GS 28 VL 22

GS 21 JHS 31

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IMO if those 3 end up together Jasper will be the more dominant team over the long haul. Hard to argue with the success they’ve had over several decades.  GS would be my 2nd pick based on the success Hart had from 2012 to 2015. Based on last couple seasons it looks like Levi is doing it the right way.  I still give GS a slight edge over VL.  It would be nice to see HH and SR play in 32 just because of the rivalry in sports.  

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13 hours ago, SEAL_63 said:

You are correct. But North is a much bigger step up than Princeton’s previous opponent, Wood Memorial.

Whether that was by choice or not....

 My point is that I don’t see Princeton being afraid of an increase in SOS.

I have heard Princeton is trying to pick up another SIAC school for week 2 instead of TH North. Not sure if a PAC/B8 merger would affect that. 

I hope not. Playing non-conference in Weeks 1 and 2 just makes so much sense.  

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43 minutes ago, Screagle said:

IMO if those 3 end up together Jasper will be the more dominant team over the long haul. Hard to argue with the success they’ve had over several decades.  

I would disagree. Heritage Hills leads the series over Jasper. You can't count them out as a contender, they will be. 

All-time Series:
Heritage Hills vs. Jasper

Date   Result   Series
10-27-1978 Heritage Hills 7 - 27 Jasper 0-1
10-26-1979 Heritage Hills 0 - 19 Jasper 0-2
10-29-1993 Heritage Hills 27 - 14 Jasper 1-2
11-04-1994 Heritage Hills 7 - 40 Jasper 1-3
11-03-1995 Heritage Hills 17 - 21 Jasper 1-4
10-18-1996 Heritage Hills 24 - 21 Jasper 2-4
09-07-2001 Heritage Hills 14 - 7 Jasper 3-4
09-13-2002 Heritage Hills 23 - 21 Jasper 4-4
09-12-2003 Heritage Hills 24 - 7 Jasper 5-4
09-10-2004 Heritage Hills 34 - 31 Jasper 6-4
09-09-2005 Heritage Hills 31 - 17 Jasper 7-4
09-08-2006 Heritage Hills 21 - 0 Jasper 8-4
09-07-2007 Heritage Hills 17 - 13 Jasper 9-4
09-12-2008 Heritage Hills 0 - 18 Jasper 9-5
09-11-2009 Heritage Hills 14 - 17 Jasper 9-6
09-10-2010 Heritage Hills 7 - 13 Jasper 9-7
09-09-2011 Heritage Hills 24 - 14 Jasper 10-7
09-08-2012 Heritage Hills 0 - 14 Jasper 10-8
09-13-2013 Heritage Hills 16 - 26 Jasper 10-9
09-12-2014 Heritage Hills 14 - 24 Jasper 10-10
09-11-2015 Heritage Hills 21 - 14 Jasper 11-10
09-09-2016 Heritage Hills 10 - 7 Jasper 12-10
09-08-2017 Heritage Hills 14 - 35 Jasper 12-11
09-08-2018 Heritage Hills 14 - 12 Jasper 13-11



Heritage Hills leads series 13-11

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Double post, sorry

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43 minutes ago, Screagle said:

IMO if those 3 end up together Jasper will be the more dominant team over the long haul. Hard to argue with the success they’ve had over several decades.  

I would disagree. Heritage Hills leads the series over Jasper. You can't count them out as a contender, they will be. 

All-time Series:
Heritage Hills vs. Jasper

Date   Result   Series
10-27-1978 Heritage Hills 7 - 27 Jasper 0-1
10-26-1979 Heritage Hills 0 - 19 Jasper 0-2
10-29-1993 Heritage Hills 27 - 14 Jasper 1-2
11-04-1994 Heritage Hills 7 - 40 Jasper 1-3
11-03-1995 Heritage Hills 17 - 21 Jasper 1-4
10-18-1996 Heritage Hills 24 - 21 Jasper 2-4
09-07-2001 Heritage Hills 14 - 7 Jasper 3-4
09-13-2002 Heritage Hills 23 - 21 Jasper 4-4
09-12-2003 Heritage Hills 24 - 7 Jasper 5-4
09-10-2004 Heritage Hills 34 - 31 Jasper 6-4
09-09-2005 Heritage Hills 31 - 17 Jasper 7-4
09-08-2006 Heritage Hills 21 - 0 Jasper 8-4
09-07-2007 Heritage Hills 17 - 13 Jasper 9-4
09-12-2008 Heritage Hills 0 - 18 Jasper 9-5
09-11-2009 Heritage Hills 14 - 17 Jasper 9-6
09-10-2010 Heritage Hills 7 - 13 Jasper 9-7
09-09-2011 Heritage Hills 24 - 14 Jasper 10-7
09-08-2012 Heritage Hills 0 - 14 Jasper 10-8
09-13-2013 Heritage Hills 16 - 26 Jasper 10-9
09-12-2014 Heritage Hills 14 - 24 Jasper 10-10
09-11-2015 Heritage Hills 21 - 14 Jasper 11-10
09-09-2016 Heritage Hills 10 - 7 Jasper 12-10
09-08-2017 Heritage Hills 14 - 35 Jasper 12-11
09-08-2018 Heritage Hills 14 - 12 Jasper 13-11



Heritage Hills leads series 13-11

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2 hours ago, Screagle said:

IMO if those 3 end up together Jasper will be the more dominant team over the long haul. Hard to argue with the success they’ve had over several decades.  GS would be my 2nd pick based on the success Hart had from 2012 to 2015. Based on last couple seasons it looks like Levi is doing it the right way.  I still give GS a slight edge over VL.  It would be nice to see HH and SR play in 32 just because of the rivalry in sports.  

IMHO, GS will continue to dominate the new group just as they would most likely have over the past seven seasons. The consistency of play has been unparalleled locally during coach Hart’s tenure and that includes ‘16-‘18.  Remember it took the SIAC team of a generation to slow the post season success part.  You can expect that to pick back up.  Arguably, no other team in 3A was going to slow GS in 2017..so again..amazing consistency of product over the 7 year span.  Again, knowing what I know from personal observation of VL, JHS and VL (all solid groups), I fully expect HS to be the team to beat 2020 and beyond.

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1 hour ago, Titan32 said:

IMHO, GS will continue to dominate the new group just as they would most likely have over the past seven seasons. The consistency of play has been unparalleled locally during coach Hart’s tenure and that includes ‘16-‘18.  Remember it took the SIAC team of a generation to slow the post season success part.  You can expect that to pick back up.  Arguably, no other team in 3A was going to slow GS in 2017..so again..amazing consistency of product over the 7 year span.  Again, knowing what I know from personal observation of VL, JHS and VL (all solid groups), I fully expect HS to be the team to beat 2020 and beyond.

GS...this edit timer is killing me!

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6 hours ago, Sacked said:

I would disagree. Heritage Hills leads the series over Jasper. You can't count them out as a contender, they will be. 

All-time Series:
Heritage Hills vs. Jasper

Date   Result   Series
10-27-1978 Heritage Hills 7 - 27 Jasper 0-1
10-26-1979 Heritage Hills 0 - 19 Jasper 0-2
10-29-1993 Heritage Hills 27 - 14 Jasper 1-2
11-04-1994 Heritage Hills 7 - 40 Jasper 1-3
11-03-1995 Heritage Hills 17 - 21 Jasper 1-4
10-18-1996 Heritage Hills 24 - 21 Jasper 2-4
09-07-2001 Heritage Hills 14 - 7 Jasper 3-4
09-13-2002 Heritage Hills 23 - 21 Jasper 4-4
09-12-2003 Heritage Hills 24 - 7 Jasper 5-4
09-10-2004 Heritage Hills 34 - 31 Jasper 6-4
09-09-2005 Heritage Hills 31 - 17 Jasper 7-4
09-08-2006 Heritage Hills 21 - 0 Jasper 8-4
09-07-2007 Heritage Hills 17 - 13 Jasper 9-4
09-12-2008 Heritage Hills 0 - 18 Jasper 9-5
09-11-2009 Heritage Hills 14 - 17 Jasper 9-6
09-10-2010 Heritage Hills 7 - 13 Jasper 9-7
09-09-2011 Heritage Hills 24 - 14 Jasper 10-7
09-08-2012 Heritage Hills 0 - 14 Jasper 10-8
09-13-2013 Heritage Hills 16 - 26 Jasper 10-9
09-12-2014 Heritage Hills 14 - 24 Jasper 10-10
09-11-2015 Heritage Hills 21 - 14 Jasper 11-10
09-09-2016 Heritage Hills 10 - 7 Jasper 12-10
09-08-2017 Heritage Hills 14 - 35 Jasper 12-11
09-08-2018 Heritage Hills 14 - 12 Jasper 13-11



Heritage Hills leads series 13-11

I agree with you, sir. I was only including the 3 mentioned by Seal 63 and T32 

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6 hours ago, Sacked said:

I would disagree. Heritage Hills leads the series over Jasper. You can't count them out as a contender, they will be. 

All-time Series:
Heritage Hills vs. Jasper

Date   Result   Series
10-27-1978 Heritage Hills 7 - 27 Jasper 0-1
10-26-1979 Heritage Hills 0 - 19 Jasper 0-2
10-29-1993 Heritage Hills 27 - 14 Jasper 1-2
11-04-1994 Heritage Hills 7 - 40 Jasper 1-3
11-03-1995 Heritage Hills 17 - 21 Jasper 1-4
10-18-1996 Heritage Hills 24 - 21 Jasper 2-4
09-07-2001 Heritage Hills 14 - 7 Jasper 3-4
09-13-2002 Heritage Hills 23 - 21 Jasper 4-4
09-12-2003 Heritage Hills 24 - 7 Jasper 5-4
09-10-2004 Heritage Hills 34 - 31 Jasper 6-4
09-09-2005 Heritage Hills 31 - 17 Jasper 7-4
09-08-2006 Heritage Hills 21 - 0 Jasper 8-4
09-07-2007 Heritage Hills 17 - 13 Jasper 9-4
09-12-2008 Heritage Hills 0 - 18 Jasper 9-5
09-11-2009 Heritage Hills 14 - 17 Jasper 9-6
09-10-2010 Heritage Hills 7 - 13 Jasper 9-7
09-09-2011 Heritage Hills 24 - 14 Jasper 10-7
09-08-2012 Heritage Hills 0 - 14 Jasper 10-8
09-13-2013 Heritage Hills 16 - 26 Jasper 10-9
09-12-2014 Heritage Hills 14 - 24 Jasper 10-10
09-11-2015 Heritage Hills 21 - 14 Jasper 11-10
09-09-2016 Heritage Hills 10 - 7 Jasper 12-10
09-08-2017 Heritage Hills 14 - 35 Jasper 12-11
09-08-2018 Heritage Hills 14 - 12 Jasper 13-11



Heritage Hills leads series 13-11

I would agree. I was only including the ones mentioned by seal 63 and T32. 

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On 3/2/2019 at 1:13 AM, Screagle said:

Seal 63. Not very familiar with VL football. What does the future look like?  

The future is bright. The numbers are way up again. The freshmen class was large enough to field their own team, but from my understanding it would’ve hurt the JV numbers, as many underclassmen played varsity in 2018. That JV team, with the two middle school teams lost a total of 2 games combined (middle school plays GS, Jasper, and Castle). So the hope is that there will be a freshman team this fall.

I believe the varsity will have the same expectations in 2019 as the previous year, if not higher. They lost some key players to graduation (Corrona, Lane, Malone, Combs),  but it was a relatively small senior class overall. Quite a bit of experience returns at all positions other than QB and WR. Sophomore Colten Pfoff, in all likelihood, will take over under center. His development will carry a lot of weight in determining how the season goes. I expect a beast of a defensive front for the Alices.

 

 

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12 hours ago, Titan32 said:

IMHO, GS will continue to dominate the new group just as they would most likely have over the past seven seasons. The consistency of play has been unparalleled locally during coach Hart’s tenure and that includes ‘16-‘18.  Remember it took the SIAC team of a generation to slow the post season success part.  You can expect that to pick back up.  Arguably, no other team in 3A was going to slow GS in 2017..so again..amazing consistency of product over the 7 year span.  Again, knowing what I know from personal observation of VL, JHS and VL (all solid groups), I fully expect HS to be the team to beat 2020 and beyond.

The team to beat, yes. But I don’t see any one team “dominating” on an annual basis.

You’re basing this belief on the past, which is understandable. The Big 8 has been mediocre over the past decade, save for a few exceptional teams. Meanwhile, over that same time period, GS has been the model for consistent excellence on the gridiron. So it’s easy to assume that this trend will continue. But based on what I’ve watched over the past two seasons, in particular with VL and Boonville winning conference championships,  I expect the Big 8 to return to its 2000’s form in the near future. We’re already seeing the escalation with the aforementioned teams forcing Jasper to move on from Tony Ahrens. The Cats won’t be down for long, I promise you. And with the VL/GS youth programs seemingly an even match, I expect some damn good battles down the road. 

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5 hours ago, SEAL_63 said:

The team to beat, yes. But I don’t see any one team “dominating” on an annual basis.

You’re basing this belief on the past, which is understandable. The Big 8 has been mediocre over the past decade, save for a few exceptional teams. Meanwhile, over that same time period, GS has been the model for consistent excellence on the gridiron. So it’s easy to assume that this trend will continue. But based on what I’ve watched over the past two seasons, in particular with VL and Boonville winning conference championships,  I expect the Big 8 to return to its 2000’s form in the near future. We’re already seeing the escalation with the aforementioned teams forcing Jasper to move on from Tony Ahrens. The Cats won’t be down for long, I promise you. And with the VL/GS youth programs seemingly an even match, I expect some damn good battles down the road. 

A couple of valid points in there.  Should be an interesting next few years!

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I think GS will be great through the 2022 season...essentially all of Allen’s high school career and then another year after that because I think the class under Allen’s (current 8th graders) are tough as nails and show lots of promise.  

 

After that, I have no clue lol

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22 hours ago, DumfriesYMCA said:

I think GS will be great through the 2022 season...essentially all of Allen’s high school career and then another year after that because I think the class under Allen’s (current 8th graders) are tough as nails and show lots of promise.  

 

After that, I have no clue lol

After that current 7th grade outright PAC champs with no one in the conference even close.  

6th grade....work in progress.

5th grade....get your popcorn..potentially 2015/2017 type group.

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5th and 6th grade? 5th grade is projected as the “get your popcorn” group?  Are you sure you’re not working for a scouting service?

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Hate to interrupt the "Gibson Southern is Incredible" stream but is there a time table for when this merger will be official?

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2 minutes ago, JQWL said:

Hate to interrupt the "Gibson Southern is Incredible" stream but is there a time table for when this merger will be official?

I think they vote in about a week.

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35 minutes ago, Screagle said:

5th and 6th grade? 5th grade is projected as the “get your popcorn” group?  Are you sure you’re not working for a scouting service?

I've been doing this a LONG time.  I get a pretty good idea VERY VERY early.  Feel free to PM me for more detail.

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